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Ah, now this is getting even more interesting! I wonder which route it will take... Full wish-fulfilling route with the mum getting seduced by the memory of her lover, somehow? Or the other way, with a sweet but painful rejection and trying to overcome those feelings? Or even something else...
This is intriguing.
last edited at Dec 14, 2017 7:42AM
I like Nobara Shinobu, classic character but the deadly silent warrior is one my favourite, I guess...
I doubt there'll be something stronger than subtext, but it looks interesting nonetheless! And perhaps I shall stand corrected in the future, who knows.
last edited at Dec 13, 2017 8:40AM
@Heavensrun
Trying to understand his acts isn't the same thing as forgiving him. Sure, trying to understand someone helps to bring empathy and may make it possible to sympathise with them, but not all the time. You can try to understand how a serial killer functions, why they do what they do, that doesn't mean you will be excusing what they did, on the contrary.
That said, trying to diminish his faults or defend him may have to do with the fact that he seemed like a chill/cool guy which is, apparently, a rare treat in a yuri manga. So maybe they're defending the idea of having a nice male character in a yuri story more than the character as a person.
Feels like a common thing to show how being close to someone you're in love with can be a sort of torture, especially if they aren't even aware of it, but this short does it exceptionally well. And I say this as one who finds fluff annoying more often than not.
Exactly why I love this story, the distress of Uta feels so real it kinda hurts. I hope we're in a ride for some kind of solace for all of them.
last edited at Dec 12, 2017 7:04PM
I don't honestly like this type of story.
That's a bit lacking... Why?
Poor Uta who isn't helped by Kaoru's affection. You see, I think it's funny but this kind of ordeal could very well have its place in an incest story. The fact that Kaoru loves Uta as her sister and keep showing it, the struggle Uta experiences feels kind of similar to what a protagonist in an incest story could experience. But I don't think I've seen it in actual incest stories. Perhaps I haven't read enough!
last edited at Dec 12, 2017 1:50PM
[...] I think it wouldve been way more interesting if she turned out to be gay and just hadnt realised it, instead of having weird trauma over seeing guys faces with a lacking backstory.
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Maybe she is gay, who knows
It does seem to me that it is the case but maybe my yuri goggles power is set too high. I don't mind yuri bait, but I mind the fact that they kind of put her on the side for the conclusion. It misses two chapters.
I don't mind the fear of men though, both aren't exclusives.
last edited at Dec 12, 2017 11:16PM
It came across as a very immature ending.
That's really surprising for a story about highschool girls, hmmm...
That ending did not solve anything? ..or am i missing something?.
Why the need to change anything? They just realised once again who they were for each other and decided to get along with it, despite it being "unhealthy" for whatever reason. I don't see Nao suffering much from it, she was pretty happy to get called back by Chitose. It's the kind of cute dedication. You could always imagine that from there, they could start to emancipate from each other in a few months/years - certainly not in a matter of weeks or days.
And even then, I don't see why in a story everything should be healthy and harmonious. Stories about broken people can be interesting as well. Heck, I'll even say stories about broken people are probably the most interesting.
last edited at Dec 11, 2017 6:58PM
Nope, it was pretty cool. I can't see how people can change in only weeks or so. They seems kinda happy like that, I don't see the problem. And even if they aren't, it's cool to see them trying to stay together (as friend or not) despite what is happening outside.
I find that kind of dedication kind of sweet. It's not like the basketball super star is really suffering...
last edited at Dec 11, 2017 6:40PM
@Wtv
People on this site bitch about absolutely everything that's published, lmao. I'm doing it for the people who actually enjoy stuff. x)
You're a cool person.
This looks like an interesting start! Loved the one shots by the author, can't wait how their style work for a series!
last edited at Dec 11, 2017 3:33PM
The art makes me think of Amano Shuninta's style, then they end up smoking and Seo forgot her lighter, so it reminded me of Philosophia and now I'm sad...
Good story otherwise, can't wait for the next chapters, thanks for the translation!
last edited at Dec 24, 2017 7:18PM
No, I can't.
Well, I explained right above why I, at the very least, thought of it was coming kind of out of nowhere or not as something that could be an end game from the start. What follows kind of generally point to this direction as well.
I don't know why you've gotta assume the worst of a writer who obviously had an intent simply because that intent was nonstandard.
It's in the realm of the possibility, they would just need several discussions with close ones or very insistent fans. I could/should have also specified that it's also possible no one influenced them at all (don't know why I put she, I don't really know if it's the case, heh).
Why's it gotta be that he or she was pressured? Why's it gotta be that the direction changed or the story changed?
No reasons for the pressure question, it's just a possibility because, once again for the latter one, it didn't feel like it was going to end this way from the premise, from the attitude of the main male character. It was supposed, or felt like, to be a story about Tokujira and Itsuki from the start and then the last chapters happened, I'll talk about it later in my post.
The characters themselves pointed out how Keitarou's feelings for Aoi were entirely undeserved.
Did they? I don't recall it like that, perhaps I should read it again.
He assumed she didn't care about how he looked, but she did.
There could be more ridiculous reasons to be interested in/falling in love with an other individual, also Tokujira is kind of (really) beautiful from what it is said about her and the numerous confessions or even her title.
He put on a disguise and hid his true self, such that she never knew his true self. There is no logical reasoning that would lead to a good romantic outcome from that, but also there doesn't have to be no romance in the story whatsoever.
Fair enough, the disguise was an issue in itself from the beginning. It was one of the primary root of conflict in the story.
As I said, it all has to do with expectations. Why not make him see that despite her fear of men, despite her coldness towards him, she was deserving of those sentiment after all, heck, he spent the entire story trying to seduce her, through a proxy admittedly. And then when he finally succeeded, she could have as well realised he was somebody she could appreciate or even love, which she did; the important points being how it would have happened and how they would've gone past those troubles to help Tokujira go past her fear of men, finally opening herself to the world and for them to end up together or not, it could have ended non romantically in the end, even without Botan in the equation.
Enter Botan, who HONESTLY doesn't care about how he looks.
It's still a bit far away in my memories, but I kind of remember Botan honestly hating Ituski at first for both his personality and his looks that she found scary as everybody else. Only overtime, as you said, because he lied and used his girl persona did she start to warm up to him, mostly because he told her it was to help her very best friend - without female Itsuki (similar to Tokujira but later) she would have never accepted him, just like Tokujira.
There's no fairytale trappings with their development AND it happened very early on (volume 2, I remind you).
The development of their relationship began right from the moment they met, the development of their romantic feelings well.. For Botan, I agree, it happened early on, for Itsuki, it wasn't that obvious. I found her to be a (good hearted) annoyance for most of the story, because she was getting (involuntary) between Itsuki and Tokujira's relationship - typical triangle love issue.
The only reason she ended up winning Keitarou's heart is because thematically, her winning his heart made the most sense. Nothing here was an accident.
Now, even if I like tsunderes, it didn't work for me and she still felt as an hindrance. I still cared more for Tokujira and wanted her to be happy, possibly with Itsuki because they genuinely felt things for each other, even if it was based on a lie - as was the reason Botan started to accept him and ultimately fell for him.
I didn't feel Itsuki was falling for Botan at all, it didn't make sense to me either because of how the story was playing it out. What made sense was that Botan was a really good friend not necessarily a good love interest. But then chapter 29 and afterwards happened.
The fact that fans of Botan were afraid that she wouldn't be end game is a pretty good indication as to why some people (me included) found that Itsuki falling for her was coming kind out of nowhere. It can makes sense, yes, but having Itsuki be with Tokijura in the end could made sense as well. Even if it was her intent from the start, it didn't feel like it to me.
[...] I don't like how your criticism is worded. Good writing, planning, and sense of character relationships that goes against cliche and standard should be respected, not scoffed at.
The only thing I'm scoffing at is the final chapter that feels like a middle finger to the entire story. I cared more about Tokujira, she was at the centre of the entire intrigue, she and her problems were the driving force of the story, the reason why Itsuki went into trap mode and did everything he did with Tokujira and Botan - heck she even is the reason they found each other in the end and she suffered for it. So when the final chapter is focused on a bland and uninteresting problem between Itsuki and Botan, and the only major thing happening is their date with Itsuki going all stupidly "omigod she's so cuuutee ;3;"... In a story with drama and heavy feelings, it felt kind out of place and not so cute to me at all, just cheesy kind of bleeeh romance, not the good cheesy kind.
I felt kind of robbed because them ending up together wasn't (or didn't look like) the goal of the story so why focus on it in the last (three) chapter(s)? There were no pay offs for Tokujira's part of the story, we only have vague mentions that she is smiling more and having fun taking care of a kouhai, whoop dee doo, but what about it? Has she really completely gone past her fear of men? Why her smile when she looks at her kouhai is framed like that? etc.
There is cute moments though when we see Tokujira joke about being the one that was dumped and about going out on a date with him crossdressed again (and what I already mentioned) so that was pretty good, but I want to see more of how it affects them. Yes, this last chapter felt like a waste, a bit too rushed.
That said, I'm not really convinced their writing was that clever nor innovative; how is having the guy falling for the "girl who truly cared for his true self from the beginning" is going against cliché? Not that I have anything against clichés, if they're done well they're pretty fine in my book. But again, overall I really loved this story or I wouldn't be writing so much about it.
last edited at Dec 11, 2017 8:45AM
For those who still like the series (huehue, sorry), apparently the next issue will be in January or something, if I believe google translate and https://twitter.com/_saburouta/status/939736450899222528
If somebody with good knowledge in Japanese could confirm it, that would be great!
last edited at Dec 10, 2017 11:22AM
Yea because feelings are set in stone. It's not like they can change or fade over time. The first person you fall in love is the one you will end up with no matter what because that is how love works. Not like you could find someone else, especially if your love interest doesn't really interact with you or show any interest (or even know you exist).
Reality/believable stuff doesn't always make for interesting stories. It all depends on the writings, how things are played out and, most importantly, on the expectations of the reader (the one giving their opinion).
I'm assuming there's a lot of projection in both parties, and if I can find cute both Botan and the way she fell in love with Itsuki (even if I don't find her as cute as everybody else, despite her being some kind of tsundere), I can't say the same about how he fell in love with her. And I found the romance between Tokujira and Itsuki more interesting.
It all comes down to what you're expecting in a story : a dreamy wish fulfilling story with lots of strong emotions and overarching struggles? Or a less extravagant but believable and sweet story with more intimate and subtle struggle? Of course, that's not the only options but that's the idea. The dreamy story can be so incoherent that it ends up not working at all for you, the realistic story can be so.. realistic it ends up being dull and bland.
The thing is, when I first started reading I was expecting a story about Tokujira finally getting over her fear of men and Itsuki finally having his feelings for her requited despite all the struggles they would went through - or, during the event of the story, Tokujira finding some kind of solace.
She kind of did, but we didn't see most of it when she clearly was one of the two MCs and kind of the centre of the story for most of it, and in the end, the final chapter is focused on boring problems about a generic couple and completely glossed over Tokujira.
I mean sure, Botan was there for Itsuki so it is completely believable and coherent for him to have developped feelings for her in the end, but it all happened too fast and the route changed only three chapters ago... I read it in one go (almost) and I can't say I felt the Botan route would be the end game, almost everybody else felt the same as well - part of the reasons why everybody was flipping out : "if Botan isn't end game I'm gonna insert unrealistically funny threat".
So you can see how it is possible that some people feel like this was sort of an asspull. Not necessarily only because of fan pressure, but perhaps the author had a goal in mind at first and also realised half-way through that from what she's written, it made "more sense" to have Itsuki fall for Botan in the end. But still...
[...] resulting in countless agonizing love triangle plots where you just KNOW the most wonderful characters have no chance of winning.
Well, who's to say which is the most wonderful character? That's what makes love triangle interesting both in and out of the story if they're done well.
Because the feelings and memories you experienced as a kid are the most reliable things to base your entire life around.
I know this was supposed to be sarcastic or something, but I think this is closer to reality than what you'd like/think. It's not something we do consciously, but almost everything we do and how we act is probably based on or influenced by what happened during our childhood (education, traumas, people looking for one of their parents in their love partner, etc.), so in the end... it may be more realistic than what you let on - but I agree, it's not reliable.
I've spent way too much time on this, but I guess I love this story that much (or debating) in the end. Sorry for the typos and nonsense.
last edited at Dec 10, 2017 11:27PM
Meh, I know everybody wanted Botan's end, the author as well apparently, still found it quite bland in the end. I can't help but feel I've been scammed. The story was sold to me as a romance between the MC and Tokujira, with focus on her and her problems then it shifted during its course.
The end felt quite rushed as well, there is some kind of solace for Tokujira but nothing definite like is she going the yuri route or what? Would've hoped for no ellipses and a bit more material before the last chapter. Still, I enjoyed the angst and the cute moments overall, just the end that was a bit of let down.
Thanks for the translation!
last edited at Dec 9, 2017 8:56PM
Well, porn 's porn; illegally obtained voyeur pics that could get you send to yuri prison are an entirely different matter, though.
That's worse! She had to work her ass off to get all these materials and it's unique... You could always get the porn again, but not that! Poor Kuki...
I'm surprised by Miki, isn't she consciously in love with Yoh? Or it is just, well, like Hana said : devotion. And she is just starting to realise her feelings.
Well, I apologise, I'm not trying to pull anything out. When I tried to access the website I saw on the credits it gave me a 404 error. Perhaps I mistyped, honest mistake, it happens, "mate".
Thank you anyway, your work is appreciated nonetheless.
last edited at Dec 6, 2017 10:10AM
There was another story with gymnasium in the title... It wasn't very happy.
And well, yeah, they're saying they're ghost on the first page.
Roses and graduations always remind me of Murciélago. Know what I mean?
Hahaha, you're horrible.
last edited at Dec 5, 2017 8:29PM
Takeda's sure the MVP of this story. He even was level-headed enough to break up with Yuma really quickly, the poor guy just got taken back by his emotions. I don't know if it's because I'm used to immature characters or because I have a negative outlook on people in general, but it's almost as if Takeda is the most unrealistic character here.
He's doing everything he's supposed to! That's not normal.
last edited at Dec 4, 2017 11:50AM