Hnngh!!

Women can write sex too, but their work leans towards more subtle. I have always suspected Mira as being a guy.

You should try reading yaoi fanfiction. Written mostly as porn by women, for women. It will quickly cure you of this opinion.

<_<

^ You misspelled "delicious".

Kay looks dangerous here, like a predator cornering her prey~ Definitely 2 bottoms and a top~~ Full length doujin when~~~

This comic has always had lots of light fluff and great humor, including throughout the storyline with everybody playing basketball, but it has generally had a clear narrative behind the fluff. Things happened, and they had consequences, and we had things that were foreshadowed and conflicts that got built up and resolved and then...suddenly everything that was going on with Mo Xiaonan got kind of abruptly dropped or skipped over. Some of us were -interested- in what was going to happen with Mo, and it's just kind of odd the way it was hopped over without resolution. Did Mo confess? How did Sun Jing respond? Did she respond? More so because it kind of happened more than once. The author kept alluding to it like it was about to come back up, but every time it just recedes back under the surface. It's like...a -tease- of drama, without any actual resolution. I get that some people on this site dislike drama, but surely that's worse than just having it come up, get resolved, and -then- move on to the WAFF? I was kind of okay with the bit of jumping ahead to take a break from the heavy stuff, but then when we came back to the timeline, we came back -after- the whole thing was over.

Tan Jiu has always jumped in and out of different points in the timeline, but it was always clear when we left and when we came back, and things weren't just left unresolved like that before. It makes it a little harder to invest in the events of the story whenever I'm reminded of it.

I'm enjoying the cute story about the cute girlfriends flirting on their amusement park trip, but there's still a cloud over everything that wasn't there before.

Agree completely, basically what I have been saying for the last year or so. I am the opposite of Blastaar in this regard, the fluff was merely an added bonus for me, but what I was invested in was the main storyline of them getting together and the complications that arose in that process. Bonus fluff was always appreciated, but when the only thing that remains is the fluff, the story loses much, if not most of its appeal for me. What used to be high anticipation that I welcomed the new chapters with turned into a sort of "meh, it updated, I guess I can click on it".

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As we all know, scientific studies and clinical experience count for shit, it is down to "luck". If only I learned that in college, unfortunately, Luck In Treating Cancer was not a registered subject in my time. You are wasting your breath, Nev, some people are just stupid, and that is all there is to it. When one of my friend's (also a doctor) father (also a doctor) got cancer, from which he eventually died, his son bought entire books on how to motivate cancer patients, and was frantic and desperate about it because his father was a natural-born pessimist. It was so important to him to somehow get his father to be optimistic, what a fool. If only there was a moron such as yourself present to tell him to stop wasting time, since his father will either have luck, or he will not. Anyway, I am done with this.

Edit: Also, while my example was indeed somewhat tied to my class, you do not need to be rich to at least minimise stress. Emotional stances can be, to a degree, controlled. I never did anything as extreme as getting rid of my property to avoid stress, I just took the old-fashioned approach of avoiding to think about things that cause me stress. But I mean, I only successfully combated cancer twice and have a degree in medicine, not like I would know anything about it. It was probably just luck. But I am again taking the bait after saying I would stop, so this time enough for real. Gods, do people like you irk me something terrible...

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schuyguy

It was never a secret. Granted, I have no idea if some of these works are older or newer than this one, but they were made available here sooner, at any rate.

That's what I'm saying. Over the years I've read enough of her little notes to get the picture. This one is somewhat more succinct than the others, but there's nothing really new about it.

That was actually meant for AkiraH, but I was reading your response to them at the moment of writing, and I experienced a weird brain failure... let us pretend it never happened...

"Citrus unshiu is a seedless and easy-peeling citrus species, also known as unshu mikan,[1] cold hardy mandarin,[2] satsuma mandarin,[2] satsuma orange, naartjie,[2] and tangerine.[2]
Under the Tanaka classification system, Citrus unshiu is considered a separate species from the mandarin. Under the Swingle system, unshius are considered to be a group of mandarin varieties.[7] Genetic analysis has shown the Satsuma to be a highly-inbred mandarin-pomelo hybrid, with 22% of its genome, a larger proportion than seen in most mandarins, coming from pomelo."

Courtesy of Wikipedia. The emphasis is mine, though. :3

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"I wanted her to be even more garbage."

Amazing. I love her spirit

Same. I live for delicious drama and shitty characters, and the fact Kodama supplies this willingly, deliberately, and without a shred of remorse really adds to my appreciation for her work.

schuyguy

It was never a secret. Granted, I have no idea if some of these works are older or newer than this one, but they were made available here sooner, at any rate.

"...my personal elements of moe."
"Pretty girl with long, wavy hair. / Yandere. / Big tits."
"Therefore, love-hate, soap opera drama...!"
"Be my slave." "Here, I'll r*pe you."
"I just love characters like Ririko, who are cute but have a naturally bad personality."

As for this work, loved it, 10/10~ I feel like schuyguy, Nev, and Nya said everything that is to be said on the whole coercion/rape/poor senpai is screwed by Japanese work ethics issue, so not much to add.

Part of me wishes Touma-kun's origin had remained a mystery

Because when you're unconscious and you're body under anesthesia , no mater how strong you're physically and mentally , you can't do nothing.

That's true, but research suggests that keeping an optimistic outlook can help one's chances of survival.

that's just bullsh*t doctors says trying not to depress the patient AND their families. you can obviously see that the doctor don't even believe what he's saying. and i know bullsh*t like being optimist while your sick won't definitly change anything because i knew people from my familly who were optimistic but you know what? sickness and cancer are stronger than pretty dump sh*tty optimism. that didn't prevent them from dying from grave sickess and being strong in your head and thing like that won't change a thing! you're lucky or you're not!

As both a doctor, and someone who had cancer, twice, get fucked and educate yourself some more. Of course it will not fucking save you on its own, it depends on the severity of the condition and the treatment you are getting, but it is one of the variables, and depending on diagnosis, it can be quite an important factor. I have people in my family who are still alive, almost two decades after being diagnosed, with the cancer under control (as in, still there, but not growing). Guess what they eliminated? Any and all sources of stress. And I really do mean all. House that is in their possession their entire life is causing them stress because they are being legally hounded by cousins over the land it was built on? Sell the house and move away. They applied the same logic consistently and managed to survive after all the doctors told them they should prepare for the worst.

that's just bullsh*t doctors says trying not to depress the patient AND their families.

Yes, and there is a fucking reason we do that.

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Because when you're unconscious and you're body under anesthesia , no mater how strong you're physically and mentally , you can't do nothing.

That's true, but research suggests that keeping an optimistic outlook can help one's chances of survival.

Yep. Because emotional states and moods directly affect the body chemistry. When you are under stress, your body produces cortisol in high quantities, and the stuff negatively affects basically everything, from your metabolism to your blood pressure, and none of that helps if you are undergoing surgery. Optimistic outlook also plays a crucial role in cancer patients, with the pessimists sinking faster, while the optimists with the same diagnosis endure longer, respond better to medications, have higher chances of being cured, and so on. Not being negative will not save you by itself, but it can certainly help, and sometimes it can even be crucial.

yayyy drama was solved. NOW FUCK!
who am i kidding, GIVE ME ALL THE DRAMA MOMONO MOTO!!

btw, many ppl are making a fuss over a single slap, yup it's bad to slap your girlfriend without her doing any fault and joke about it afterwards, but you need to get this, THEY BOTH LOVE EACHOTHER! some relationships don't require a "sorry" to fix things up. only the feelings that matter. if you really decide to leave your lover because of something like that, then you're not in love for real.

Bullshit. In my opinion.

Pretty much.

Also, at this stage I am almost unbothered by the unhinged grill, it is the doormat that irks me. In the last chapter, she got slapped for the terrible crime of apologising for doing something she had no idea whatsoever could set the crazy one off. And I mean really, that "trauma" is so beyond absurd, no one would ever suspect something like that. "Hmm, but what if she had her heart broken and the girl who did it also gave her these same earrings, no, best buy something else." But even when getting slapped, her first thought was whether or not Liz was alright after realising the latter was crying.

And now she is continuing the trend, almost every third sentence she utters is an apology. Not to mention the crazy one actually tells her it was her fault, lmao! At this point, I would probably not even blink at further abuse, Maki is obviously a moron, and I find any traces of my sympathy for her drained. But at least they match, I mean, Maki also blamed herself for the whole thing, and now Liz confirmed it was indeed her fault. Perfect couple, I wish them all the happiness.

That grill no longer has a clit, rest in peace. Other than that, hot~

Umu!

Double delinquent, yes! Also, I am getting invested in the credits page imouto story as well... send help...

"I was saved by you... and by porn." Brought a tear to my eye, more, please~

Sad. Either route this manga goes is bad. Unrequited lesbian love vs. Wife who cheats. Meh.

Then the Wife Who Cheats agrees to elope with you, and, when she asks where the two of you should go, your reply is: "To the Moon."

I wonder how many of y'all can identify that reference. ^.^

She wasn't cheating though. Everyone who got together with her was made aware she had a husband and male and female lovers The whole point of the series was the MC weighing the pros and cons of her being one of them.

Also did they really elope? I thought she stayed married to the husband.

I will repost something I wrote in the "Touma-kun" thread after this same work was brought up.

That is not the only difference, unlike Touma, Suwako actually respects the privacy of her partners and expects the same in return, though she is not completely consistent on this issue. However, a much bigger difference, at least in my opinion, is the fact Touma does not hide her nature and is completely open and upfront about it, while Suwako lies and cheats.

One thing they have in common is that both are uncaring about their partners (yes, I know she came the day before, but that is not how actual caring works, "I will care for you on Mondays, other days of the week screw you"), and the moment something more is expected of them, they back away (or more accurately in Suwako's case, remind their partners of the boundaries). Note that the main character in the "Space Voyage" is not alright with the arrangement, and Suwako knows this, she just does not give a fuck, despite what the main character tells herself in the sequel.

Still, even though I absolutely loathe Suwako (not really sure why, to be honest, usually I am unbothered by cheating, but something about her just pisses me off, maybe it is that "oopsie, ehehe, silly little me" face she so often sports), I do not actually blame her for her lover's sufferings, because Suwako clearly stipulated her conditions and the main character willingly agreed to them. Even after the practice showed to the main character that she hates it, she still willingly persisted in maintaining the relationship. She can just leave whenever she desires, plenty of other people have done so. So the main character gets no sympathy from me, lol, she is the architect of her own anguish. When you make yourself suffer like that, you literally reap what you sowed.

TL;DR: Suwako lies and cheats, and no, her partners are not made aware of the fact she has more of them simultaneously, and although it is never stated, I doubt her husband knows she has other partners to begin with, considering she lied to him why she was going out when seeing the main character. Much like the actual characters in that work, the readers apparently have the need to somehow dismiss her cheating as being not actually cheating (I mean, it is even tagged, for fuck's sake).

Edit: It has been so long since I read this, so I forgot, but it actually is stated that her husband is in the dark about her cheating habits, since she bluntly proposes to the main character for the two of them to have a "secret affair". And considering that she previously had three simultaneous boyfriends who did not know about each other at all and were furious when they did find out, she obviously cheats on all of her partners, not just her husband.

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This image has such a relaxing atmosphere, I like it~ Having someone do your nails or hair and such can be really soothing.

Good choice for a featured work, this is one of my all-time favourites. The only thing I disliked is the ending itself. I liked it a lot how the senpai received quality character growth and came to terms with her unrequited feelings and all, it was one of the most emotional moments in this manga, only for the final chapter to do a 180 on that for "comedic" value. Bleh. Just bleh. Oh, and the guy. The I-will-not-give-up-on-aggressively-pursuing-you-despite-you-clearly-rejecting-me-unless-you-give-me-the-name-of-the-person-you-are-dating-that-is-the-only-way-I-will-ever-stop-coming-onto-you guy. There never was a character in such a desperate need to get hit by a truck. These two really soured the ending for me, if not for them it would be 10/10.

Edit: Lmao, I just turned the previous page in the thread, and found my post from the last time "Hana to Hoshi" was featured, and it was basically the same comment as now... holy fuck, I fail so hard sometimes...

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^ Neat, thanks for sharing!

Guys, you both patently have put 100 times more thought into a fictional character than her creator ever did.

In fact, commenters here have been writing a far more coherent and consistent Citrus than the author has (or rather multiple, variant Citruses) for months. These nuanced debates are rather beside the point when the story itself waves away every potential incongruity of plot or characterization.

You know, I was aware we were all putting too much thought into analysing this work, but still, for most of the time (looks at that one person) it was quite fun, even the more vitriolic arguments. However, I did not expect we were putting this much unnecessary thought into it. As it turned out, this thread could have had at least a hundred pages less, since basically none of the points we discussed in recent years were of any importance in the end...

joins the ranks of the fallen-for-Souma

You are obviously missing the "ten years old" part there. A ten-year-old was given a life-changing choice, by a parent who up until that point behaved no differently than the universally hated grandfather, and she was given this choice without any preparatory period whatsoever, Shou just sprang it on her. Her father, who was a strict, traditional parent all her life and raised her as such, suddenly comes to her one day and offers to abandon everything with him for reasons that are beyond her grasp, and you think she "decided it all herself". Have you ever seen a ten-year-old??

First off, in civil divorce cases children are given the choice which parent they want to predominantly live with. In real life young children are given a similar choice, and we as a society accept that they are able to make that choice.

My emphasis. Figure it out. Also, equating asking a child during a divorce settlement, a lengthy process that also gives time to said child to come to grips with the choice before them, and Shou springing this up on his daughter one evening out of the blue and then walking out. Totally the same thing. It is not like you have a retarded way of looking at this, no, this is the exact same situation.

Secondly, this is a manga 10 year old. Apparently you have never seen a RL 10 year old if you think they act any way similar to a 10 year old Mei. Just like no 16 year old acts like a 16 year old Mei.

Firstly, we are not even given much on how a 10-year old Mei acts, so this is nonsense. That there are no 16-year olds who act like Mei is also nonsense, though I will grant you they are not exactly common. A product of her own insecurities, upbringing, and class, resulting in a not really healthy mental configuration, suuuure, no such occurrences in real life. You must not go out much.

I would also like to point out, that Shou abandoned his daughter at such a young age, even more, as someone here pointed out, he left her in the very same family and atmosphere which caused him to break. He prioritised his own escape over his daughter, because he is a fucking horrible parent. His leaving was what probably made Mei so unbelievably stubborn about the academy, he not only abandoned her, he also mentally scarred her in the process.

And I can't believe you people keep using the word abandon when he asked her to go with him and she refused and so she was left in the care of the grandfather like she wanted.

And speaking of Shou, horrible parenting, and ten-year-olds, may I also point out that only in the realm of fiction could a ten-year-old be given such a "choice". Beside the option to stay for the sake of his child, Shou also had the option to take her with him, you know, as her parent and legal guardian.

Like I already pointed out, you are just wrong. Children are given similar choices in civil divorce cases. And once again, she chose not to go with him, and then chose not to go join him for 5 years.

Again. You are just wrong. As always. By equating this to a divorce settlement. Grandfather was not the legal guardian. End of story.

It is not theoretical in the slightest, the letter chapter is the perfect example. The western audience hated it with a passion, while the Japanese audience mostly praised it on social platforms. What made the western fans condemn Mei, caused the Japanese ones to sympathise with her. I do not think it filters to most westerners just how much the Japanese value self-sacrifice, be it for the sake of duty, family, business company, country... Individualism is not highly regarded there, and it never was.

Uh, no they didnt. Not at least according to 2chan. They had a very similar reaction as western fans to the author pulling a wild arranged marriage out of nowhere. Probably why the manga is getting cut short shortly after introducing it.

Learn to read, I was talking specifically about the letter chapter, where the arranged marriage is merely an afterthought without any weight, because Mei's choices were in the forefront, and her reasoning for abandoning Yuzu had little to do with the marriage, and all to do with her ambition to inherit the academy.

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Can people please stop saying that the ending was rushed please? Inform before you say something. Citrus will continue in a new manga called Citrus + in which you will have the ending expanded and adventures of their lives after marriege. The ending was rushed on purpose to open a path for Citrus +, so stop it already

We don't know anything about Citrus Plus so far except that it will be more focused on the sides characters, it could be before or after the marriage for all we know, so unless you have an official statement from Saburouta regarding the exact content of Citrus Plus you don't know what it's going to be about. And Citrus ending was rushed, it is undeniable, the fact that she is going to make a spin off is not an excuse, quite the contrary, botching your work on purpose just to keep some content for a spin off is not something to be proud of.

Agreed. Regardless of how Citrus Plus is going to be like, it still doesn't change the fact that the original series was so rushed at the end and resolved so quickly, i.e. showing textless panels of characters being cool with everything as opposed to creating a coherent storyline about it all.

Also, any future series has no bearing on the fact the plot points of this work were basically left unresolved, or more accurately, resolved highly unsatisfactory and yes, rushed. Rushed. As. Fuck. The social position of the Aiharas, how an open lesbian relationship could be perceived by society and the school (because again, this setting was not presented as "Strawberry Panic", where everyone is gay by default and no one bats an eye), what the grandfather would do, what Shou would do, and a myriad of other, smaller problems, all of which we discussed to death and back here. Nothing of that was actually addressed, we got textless panels of key people reacting to the news and that was it. Happily married! Yey! The manga built up all this "family legacy", "academy", "marriage" and other issues, in a setting that looked for all intents and purposes like a real life one, or close to that, and then puf! All of it just swept neatly aside in a ten-panel solution of "lets marry". I adore this manga, and I often defended various elements of it, but this ending is just bad. Badly written, rushed to the point I am struggling to think of another manga with an ending as abrupt as this one. Hell, most axed series have endings more satisfactory than this.

Edit: Getting bai... responding to Cannibal made me realise something else, what was the whole point of the arranged marriage?? We theorised it was because her future position at the head of the academy demanded it, for various reasons we brought up at length previously, and it made perfect sense. The story itself seemed to corroborate our line of thinking, when Mei's letter linked the implied necessity of the marriage with her desire to preside over the school. But now, suddenly, it no longer matters. Am I missing something here? If she could have had both Yuzu and the academy ages ago, then what was the point of all this??? This would only make sense if she gave up on the academy, choosing Yuzu instead, but nothing of the sort was even implied.

Additional edit: @Blastaar: After giving it some thought, I will agree with you and Sibyllalal on the "there is not enough evidence to conclusively tell one way or the other" approach to Yuzu's sexuality.

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