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Huh. For some reason, I figured Utena was the boss of a different kind of dungeon.

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I'm impressed. Translating a chapter into a conlang is a new level of silly for this day and Tokipona is possibly the best choice, both in general and for this manga.

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Subtext at best methinks.

Right? I don't know what everyone else is going on about. Clearly they're just roommates.

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I remain a fan of this kind-of gonzo nonsense that's just this side of coherent, while still being completely off the wall. The character designs and expression are also a lot of fun, so I'd love to see more from this artist.

Local small child makes wmd's using only apples, sugar, salt, flour, sugar, eggs, and water.

"How the fuck do you even do that" says local chemist

-Bunbunmaru reporting

It helps that they're less apples and more apple shaped bundles of Flandre's power. Really, the impressive part isn't that they keep exploding, but that Flandre was able to keep them from exploding long enough to turn them into baked goods and wine.

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Yeah I don't expect most of the audience is taking this too seriously. It's pretty outlandish already and that's funny. Plus we're in on the joke--they both clearly like each other, Wakaba clearly is in a bit of denial and doesn't have to be doing these things but wants to for her own reasons (that we can probably imagine).

Yes, the games and "business deals" of this type (also seen in the likes of Arioto, and Buying My Classmate Once A Week) are supposed to give the main character permission to do something she already wants to do. "Wow, I can't believe I lost the punishment game again. Nothing bad would happen to me if I refused to play along with her rules, but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm too stubborn/proud/honorable to back down."

The intended purpose is not to obfuscate desire or lesbianism, as the relationship basically always ends up growing past the confines of the game or "business deal". It might be helpful to think of it as an even more unserious case of the "stuck together" trope in the romance genre, filling the same role as e.g. arranged marriages and "fake dating" situations.

Now I want a show that uses that setup, but a few episodes in it gets revealed that they're both just have a dom/sub kink, with a gameshow twist, and they're completely open with each other about what they're planning.

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Yeah that's what I mean. Out of the two of them, Komaki is definitely crushing on Wakaba, so that scene never registered as anything but misleading. That's why I was confused by the worry.

It's less worry and more that it would be frustrating. "Girl crushes on other girl but goes out with some random guy for whatever reason" is a very unfun trope (I'll not go into the details of why, as people will interpret it differently, but I feel uncomfortable every time that trope is used). And it does affect their interactions if Komaki went out with someone in the past, considering the way she behaves towards Wakaba now hits very different if she has relationship experience.

If Wakaba's interaction was correct and Komaki dated that dude, it would be nice to know that now to interpret Komaki's actions as a change of direction, rather than learn it later and repaint all the previous chapters in a negative light. And if it was misleading, that would be nice to know to see their game as an awkward first love instead of being left in the dark.

I could be misunderstanding, but that doesn't feel like a fair standard. It almost feels like you're saying either "you shouldn't date anyone before getting together with your true love" or "any amount of experience, especially if it's with a boy, means she should ..." I don't actually know how to finish that one? Know how to properly approach Wakaba? Treat her in a specific way? How exactly would Komaki going out with a guy (or even multiple guys) before finally trying to get together with Wakaba cast their current relationship in a negative light (assuming she's not currently with some guy, which would be a completely different issue)?

Maybe she did go out with that first guy, either out of curiosity or because she was somewhat attracted to him, but then she realized that either A) She didn't like him all that much and/or B) She much prefers Wakaba. That wouldn't mean she actually has much experience with romantic relationships, let alone how to start a romantic relationship with another girl, who she already has a non-relationship with, especially with their existing dynamic.

In fact, I'd go a step further. Most people seem to view Komaki as perfect, so it wouldn't surprise me if she's gotten lots of confessions (potentially from both genders), and she may or may not have accepted some of them. However, from what we've seen, she doesn't actually like being viewed in this way—she seems to find it very alienating and, possibly, unrealistic—so any relationship based on that premise probably wouldn't feel good to her and she probably doesn't want to repeat those patterns here. Going back to what you said before, it may be that Komaki has experience in [i]bad[/i] romances specifically.

Wakaba, by contrast, is one of the few people, if not the only one, who recognizes Komaki as a human and who wants her to be treated as such. That would be very appealing in a partner, but it also means Komaki probably doesn't know how to approach this kind of change in their relationship, especially if she still wants Wakaba to pull her down from the pedestal she's been forced on. After all, she can't just wait for Wakaba to confess to her (or accept a confession from her) out of deference to her perfection, not that Komaki would want her to.

The whole soda metaphor was so strange and pointless lol

That scene actually reminded me of my own experience with the band Dear Hoof. Originally, I started listening to them because they were kind-of weird and off-putting, but as I listened to them I developed a better understanding of the nuance and thought that goes into their songs and the way the different pieces come together, in unique ways, to form a compete picture. Now they're one of my favorite bands and I don't feel the original sense of off-putting discordance that originally attracted me to them.

With that said, I don't think that's quite what Komaki was going for here, since she admits that the mix tastes bad to her. Instead, I think she's more focused on the first part of my experience—that of visibly enjoying something that would be weird and uncomfortable for most people—except instead of doing it to make herself seem more sophisticated, she's doing it to seem less perfect. Rather than thinking she's perfect regardless of what she does, as Wakaba assumes, she actually wants people to be put-off and to see it as a flaw, so they realize she isn't perfect.

That's also where the metaphor about mixing "perfect" drinks, and Wakaba's addition about them being better in a pure form comes in. The former is saying that even if all of the individual components are "perfect" at their jobs, it doesn't mean the combined whole is without flaws, in much the same way as a person is not a an atomic existence and even if they have multiple capacities that might be described as "perfect" describing the overall mix as perfect is just kind of silly. That's not how composites or people work.

Wakaba's part, seems to be more about how society views people/things and hinting at Komaki's true motivation, rather than the one Wakaba assumes she has. Specifically, she's saying that society expects things to exist in simple, uncomplicated, and well known forms. It wants pure coke, tea, and what have you, both because that makes the world easier to understand and because it lets you avoid potentially uncomfortable experiences, like bad drink mixes. If we follow the metaphor back to Komaki, it's saying society wants her to be a "pure" idol, the "Perfect Savant" who can be neatly slotted into her space in their world view, without needlessly complicating things by making them question their own efforts or accomplishments. After all, she's "Perfect" so of course they don't compare, who could? Ignore the "normal girl" who consistently comes in close second to her, based on pure effort and determination. She is "not perfect" so her role is to fail to reach perfection, and how close she comes can also be ignored, even though coming in a close second on all of their challenges should still put her miles ahead of literally everyone else.

Actually, I don't think that last part has been touched on much in these comments. Sure, Wakaba keeps losing, but that's not for lack of trying. She comes incredibly close on all of her challenges and, if we take Komaki's performance as the benchmark for a perfect success, then consistently coming within inches of perfection [i]in all of her endeavors[/i] still makes Wakaba an amazing person. In fact, I'd wager that someone with her record would normally be viewed as some sort of perfect and untouchable school idol, but here Komaki's presence shields her from that moniker and the isolation it brings. Maybe things would be different if one of them was a man—or if Japan was more accepting of homosexual relationships—and they could be seen as some sort of "Perfect Power Couple", but as things stand Komaki being put on a pedestal means Wakaba gets to enjoy a normal life. In many ways, Wakaba is probably leading the life Komaki wants for her self. She's a highly competent and well respected person, but she's also allowed to be a flawed human being who doesn't need to succeed at everything, on her first try and with no apparent effort.

Orrr maybe I'm just reading too much into things and overanalyzing a simple comedy manga. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Yuko Ichihara, is that you?

I know they're completely unrelated, but this is giving me some serious xxxHolic vibes and I'm always down for those.

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Who's the girl next to Mario?

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With that said, given the Ibuki group seems to sell alcohol, Watanabe works at a bar, an at least a few of their families are rich, I suspect this is going to be less a case of "quickly make a substitution" and more "quickly go get the alcohol, but there'll be some complications due to the source."

Called it!

Well, called half of it. I didn't see the wolf monster showing up for round 2. For a series that started as almost pure romantic fluff, the author has gotten good at intermixing the occasional bout of action.

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The only thing we've seen that even hints at there being any het is a single scene of the main character seeing Komaki talking to a guy and that scene includes a closeup of Komaki's face where she doesn't look particularly thrilled to be there. We have no idea of what was said, what happened next, who that guy was, or what their relationship is.

The implication is that Wakaba interpreted that scene as a confession and that Komaki accepted (or she was the one confessing and the guy accepted, but at the same time we're talking about Komaki—The girl who went out of her way to passionately french Wakaba and who wants to see her strip. Something tells me Wakaba's interpretation of that scene isn't 100% correct and/or the implication that scene is presenting is intentionally misleading. Either way, I think the main take is supposed to be "Wakaba got jealous at the idea of Komaki going out with someone else, even if she doesn't consciously realize that's what happened," not "one or more of these girls is straight and definitely not jonesing for a pack of skittles."

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There's something odd about how nonplussed IRyS looks in this, like it's just another day at the office.

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But what about Tali if you're FemShep?

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What's not shown is that the brother is also gay and they're only dating so people don't bother them.

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I can't help but feel that going out of your way to harass and lible a close associate of the Queen, and the Queen herself, is a bad idea. Especially when said Queen is also the head of the religion you serve. But hey, it's not like there's any connection between pissing off absolute monarchs and drastically reduced life expectancies.

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I can't help but feel that going out of your way to harass and lible a close associate of the Queen, and the Queen herself, is a bad idea. Especially when said Queen is also the head of the religion you serve. But hey, it's not like there's any connection between pissing off absolute monarchs and drastically reduced life expectancies.

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And the reason she becomes the villainess of the heroine's tale is jealousy... Yandere-ish yuri, huh

It's all that maid's fault, for playing with her heart so thoughtlessly!

But seriously, even for a normal character, having someone go from practically proposing to you to them saying they're doing all of this to meet a different girl would cause some serious whiplash.

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I'm so glad this concept got turned into a manga. It would have been a waste it it was relegated to just being some vTuber's backstory. Also, I can't help but feel like this would make for an excellent anime, provided it went to a studio that can do the fights well.

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I think Aya said onii-san simply because Mitsuki was in her shop clerk getup that initially fooled Aya. She was reminiscing about how awkward she was back then compared to Kanna and Joe.

My guess is more that Aya doesn't think of herself as gay and, at least on a physical level, is more atracted to Mitsuki's casual look, so when she thinks about her in a romantic way, she tends to revert back to thinking of her in the context of "Onii-san", or at least that part of her persona, even though she now knows Mitsuki is "Onii-san" and she likes her for more than just her looks. So, in this chapter, while she was watching the adults flirt, she thought it would be nice if she could do the same with Mitsuki, but when asked she absentmindedly blurted out the wrong name, because that was the context she was thinking in.

I definitely don't think this is true. Aya is certainly attracted to the more butch elements of Mitsuki but that doesn't make one straight. I don't think Aya has any illusions about Mitsuki, she just referred to "onii-san" because she was reminiscing about when they didn't really know each other. She doesn't even seem to be dwelling on it like Mitsuki is, based on the phone call, so I bet the answer to Mitsuki's question of "does Aya still see us as different people" will be an emphatic "No, of course not!"

I didn't say Aya is straight—that seems rather unlikely at this point—but that doesn't mean she's fully internalized that realization yet and drawing a(n increasingly faint) line between Mitsuki in her everyday appearance and "Onii-san" could help ease the cognitive dissonance that causes.

Saying she was just reminiscing doesn't really feel right, both because she used future tense "I[ woul]d never be able to", not "I wasn't able to", and because of the way she panicked and ran after she realized what she said.

but THAT IS THE ISSUE! is way Mitsuki asked Aya if she is nice to her for only the moment when she is “Onii-san” because she DOES feel like Aya is drawing an line between Mitsuki and the moment when she is supposed “Onii-san” while Mitsuki said she is just herself, she ain’t trying to not be Koga and suddenly some one she cares keeps make the “Onii-san” idea to many time so ofc Mitsuki feels like Aya care more about that imaginary person and not Mitsuki, there is quite an distinction that got made by Aya with the whole “Onii-san” and Mitsuki, even i think Aya is taking the “distinction” too far even tho Mitsuki is Mitsuki AND NOT Mitsuki and “Onii-san”

I don't think Aya actually views them as separate people. The issue is that she hasn't been terribly clear about that and Mitsuki can't see inside her head, so comments about being able to talk to "Onii-san" create a lot of doubt and uncertainty for her. In other words, the problem is less Aya thinking there's a real difference between the two parts of Mitsuki's persona and more that they need to communicate with each other better (and maybe take a moment to better explore and understand their own feelings).

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I think Aya said onii-san simply because Mitsuki was in her shop clerk getup that initially fooled Aya. She was reminiscing about how awkward she was back then compared to Kanna and Joe.

My guess is more that Aya doesn't think of herself as gay and, at least on a physical level, is more atracted to Mitsuki's casual look, so when she thinks about her in a romantic way, she tends to revert back to thinking of her in the context of "Onii-san", or at least that part of her persona, even though she now knows Mitsuki is "Onii-san" and she likes her for more than just her looks. So, in this chapter, while she was watching the adults flirt, she thought it would be nice if she could do the same with Mitsuki, but when asked she absentmindedly blurted out the wrong name, because that was the context she was thinking in.

Alternatively, Aya has a tendency to get easily flustered when Mitsuki accidentally turns up the rizz, which tends to involve the "Onii-san" aspects of her persona, and Aya was thinking it would be nice if she could flirt back. Of course, admitting to your crush that "I really wish I wouldn't immediately melt down when you're being extra hot" can be pretty embarrassing, as can admitting that you find a part of their persona extra hot in the first place. Also admitting that you're drawing parallels between your interactions and the way the ex-couple across the room interact. Aya, basically just did all three of those things, realized what she did, and then panicked and ran.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's the latter, especially with the "perceptive girl × oblivious girl" tag at the end.

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Is there a version where these two had a DNA digivolution?

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Is there a version where these two had a DNA digivolution?

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So like this is not a knock on this story but the beat of "oh no something isn't here when it should have been" is so common that like I cannot find it in myself to be worried and I'm just like I wonder what the solution will be and if it'll be anything more than a simple "don't worry I know how to shake up the recipe" and "oh wow the improvised cocktail ended up being really popular"

And I am fully setting myself up here, because I want to be proven wrong. But like ultimately this is just me bitching about a completely harmless trope. lmao

Eh. I think part of why it's so common is that is, well, common in real life too. It's pretty easy to forget something or not have enough of something and then you have to figure out how to handle it.

With that said, given the Ibuki group seems to sell alcohol, Watanabe works at a bar, an at least a few of their families are rich, I suspect this is going to be less a case of "quickly make a substitution" and more "quickly go get the alcohol, but there'll be some complications due to the source."

Also, this is already a recipe Naori came up with and it's not like any of the other students have any expectations for what it should be, so a last minute substitution that "surprises" everyone with how good it is wouldn't have much impact. It would just be retreading the same ground from when she came up with the cocktail in the first place. (Beyond that, the absolute worst case scenario for running out of the ingredients is they throw up a "sold out" sign, but it's not like they're actually counting on the sales of that particular drink for anything, so it's not actually a big deal.)

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I don't think that being anxious after more than 24 hours of no contact is being needy. It felt like a fairly normal reaction to me. I'm actually surprised that she wasn't banging at her g/f doors after about 12 hours of no contact. No normal person just goes off the grid for that long with no prior notice of some kind. If anyone's weird here, it's Yoru.

Well, I guess this is one of those stories you can't treat too seriously.

I don't find someone dropping off the grid for a day or two all that unusual. There have been instances where I've gone weeks or a couple of months without calling or texting people. Not that there was anything wrong, just that I had nothing to say. I'll admit I'm not normal and I can't recall anyone ever accusing me of being normal either, so take it as you will.

Same. Doubly so when they're sending messages that don't seem to need a reply. Then again, I've also had people get annoyed at me for exactly that sort of thing, so ...

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What?

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You probably did, but going by that bike handle, they were probably doing this in public, sooo ...