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BugDevil
Image Comments 05 Mar 03:19
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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These two will have a 100 years war at home, if ya know what I mean hon hon hon croissant !
kill me

BugDevil
Image Comments 05 Mar 03:15
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Uh... you got something stuck in your... hair there. Wanna pull that out first?

BugDevil
Image Comments 05 Mar 03:13
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Not shown on screen: Sakurako holding 60 meters worth of red string (of fate) to bind Kasumi's legs and body to her as well.
friendship bondage

BugDevil
Image Comments 05 Mar 03:10
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Isn't it a bit asinine to like a ship of a series you don't enjoy? Very superficial at least.
Still a nice pic tho.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

People really eat up bait like a three-course meal around here...

I personally think it wouldn't be in character for Yuu to be overly judgmental of Touko.

This is pretty much what I believe as well. I may have joked about her relieving her frustrations, but it is indeed petty. Yuu made this "deal with the devil" herself, so she certainly knows that the guilt doesn't just lie with Touko. She hid her feelings and made this mess herself. To lash out on Touko whose insecurities are at fault and who has worked hard to overcome them now, would be childish.

I may not be the Doujima defense squad, but I'll always jump in for Touko lol

last edited at Mar 5, 2019 2:23AM

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Nothing much happened in this chapter...
People talked a lot to no particular end, and there were no new developments for the two MCs. That's it.
Frankly, this looked to me like a step backwards.

I feel you. I was disappointed by the complete lack of development in their awareness of each other's feelings. For a moment, it even reminded me of We Can't Draw Love (ugh). I srsly hope this manga won't go that way.
Especially when they've already had much more intimate touches! Like handholding! With intertwined fingers! Several times! Right? (≧∇≦)

Why are you people pretending there is more skinship in this than there is? They held hands when Fujishiro dragged her around. That is not the same thing. This hug was definitely different from most of their usual interactions. Do you need intimacy stuffed in your face to get it? (well considering that you used Tadokoro-san as an example you probably do)

Why the sudden awkwardness, when up to now they seemed to be comfy with those moments of touchy-feeliness and deep emotion?

I gotta give it to you that the conclusion of the hug scene seems forced. By this point Kurokawa should be used to Fujishiro touching her every time she gets passionate, or scared, or whatevs.

It wasn't about being touched (she was fine with the hug itself at first) it was about how Fujishiro acted after holding it for so long.

It was revealed that the reason Miki is such a bitch to Kurokawa and badmouthes Fujishiro is that she actually really adored her and can't cope with her change.

Pfffff... Miki is such a marginal existence in the story, I couldn't care less.

Lolol, Miki, of all people. It says something when the best example they can come up with (to show there's been development in this chapter) is that a secondary character made a comment about a tertiary character.

It's pretty dishonest to call this my best example just to dismiss it. I gave several other examples that are "better", but hey, whatever suits your points best, right? Sad.

In any case, if she admired Fujishiro, it's because Fujishiro was the queen bee of the school and had all the boy-drones at her feet. For her, that was the ideal role model. Straight as an arrow, our Miki.

Oh, I almost forgot: tertiary character and straight! Wee!

Who cares? That has nothing to do with how relevant to the plot she is. Double sad.

A new childhood friend character will appear in the story soon, who apparently knew one of the MCs for 7 years and calls them her "angel".

Ah yes... that's kind of a development flag, alright... too bad it's the kind of flag that announces a new obstacle in the way of the relationship between the two MCs...

I've been loving this story so far, every chapter of it. But this particular chapter felt empty to me. Perhaps I've been spoiled by Nikaidou/Tadokoro and hoped for these two to turn more that way? Go figure.

Hah, so you wanted something like this:
(hug pics from a very different manga)
These are the sort of hugs you wanted them to share, right? ͡( ° ͜ʖ ͡ –) ~✧

It will come... as long as the story doesn't turn into We Can't Draw Love.

Tadokoro-san is a purposely exaggerated gag manga that is all about pay-off and zero plot. Obviously this story actually takes its evolution and intimacy more serious. The fact that this is your first point of comparison shows how little you get this story. lol

last edited at Mar 5, 2019 2:09AM

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Oh no... this is a nightmare to quote.

Fujishiro's hug definitely left an impression on Kurokawa. Now she questions what that was actually about and Fujishiro is certainly aware that she was doing something odd.

Frankly, this looked to me like a step backwards. Why the sudden awkwardness, when up to now they seemed to be comfy with those moments of touchy-feeliness and deep emotion?

First of all they weren't very touchy feely yet. Aside from Fujishiro dragging her around a bit and doing her makeup I don't remember many skinship moments. The hug is a step forward, because she held it for so long that it was obviously not just out of relief anymore. At least Fujishiro herself realized that (hence the extreme blushing). It's just one more obvious sign that she is in love with Kurokawa and the latter is getting suspicious of it too.

Izumi got revealed as an ally to Fujishiro.

This we knew already. We also have reason to suspect that she has a crush on Fujishiro. But no development on that yet.

Heck, it seems Izumi hasn't even grasped yet that Kurokawa is her rival...

No, this we could assume with absolutely no proof up to this point. Is she her rival? Who knows. That is not confirmed yet either. But knowing that someone stands up for the both of them is important, because Izumi hasn't really done that until now. It makes them less isolated.

It was revealed that the reason Miki is such a bitch to Kurokawa and badmouthes Fujishiro is that she actually really adored her and can't cope with her change.

Pfffff... Miki is such a marginal existence in the story, I couldn't care less. In any case, if she admired Fujishiro, it's because Fujishiro was the queen bee of the school and had all the boy-drones at her feet. For her, that was the ideal role model. Straight as an arrow, our Miki.

So you don't care = not important. Good to know.

A new childhood friend character will appear in the story soon, who apparently knew one of the MCs for 7 years and calls them her "angel".

Ah yes... that's kind of a development flag, alright... too bad it's the kind of flag that announces a new obstacle in the way of the relationship between the two MCs...

I've been loving this story so far, every chapter of it. But this particular chapter felt empty to me. Perhaps I've been spoiled by Nikaidou/Tadokoro and hoped for these two to turn more that way? Go figure.

Anyway, if you say you liked this new chappie, that's ok by me. Good for you.

You don't like it = not important. Good to know.

The quality of the chapter aside, I just found your claim too outrageous lol

last edited at Mar 4, 2019 2:35PM

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Nothing much happened in this chapter...
People talked a lot to no particular end, and there were no new developments for the two MCs. That's it.

Really now? Fujishiro's hug definitely left an impression on Kurokawa. Now she questions what that was actually about and Fujishiro is certainly aware that she was doing something odd.
Izumi got revealed as an ally to Fujishiro.
It was revealed that the reason Miki is such a bitch to Kurokawa and badmouthes Fujishiro is that she actually really adored her and can't cope with her change.
A new childhood friend character will appear in the story soon, who apparently knew one of the MCs for 7 years and calls them her "angel".

But I suppose that has no relevance for the two MCs... somehow.

Yeah well, my expectations were broke so I'm leaving of this...time to wait other GOOD Yuri manga

Bye bye~
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

^At some point its just a plain old harem.

Not necessarily. The childhood friend doesn't mention who she's pinning for.

If it's Kurokawa, *bam*, pentagon.

gasp A stroke of genius! But wait...
Childhood friend --> Kurokawa <--> Fujishiro <-- Izumi & Miki

If you split Izumi and Miki, you get something more akin to a broom. lol

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Sheesh, people have been traumatized by this development so much before that they forget that it can absolutely have merits. A new character, heck even a rival character, can bring in something that is needed to move the plot/relationship along. Often only being confronted with a third party really gets the main characters to realize their true feelings.
As always with any narrative device, the execution is all that matters.

It's lazy writing,instead of the main characters resolving their own issues and moving forward in the plot a new character gets conveniently introduced to move the plot forwards for them

It's not inherently lazy. Any plot device used to move forward could be called lazy then. If a pair is not immediately aware of their feelings they will always need a trigger to get there. If a new character can actually add layers to the main characters through their past or through a new dynamic that brings out different aspects in them, then that's far from a bad thing. The important thing is that it shouldn't feel like a detour, but that it would not have moved any faster without them.

Now, introducing them as new fuel that comes out of nowhere certainly lessens the believability, rather than having them be introduced over a long time without any direct interference until needed (basically Izumi's role right now).... but that's also going to be critisized. People are never satisfied. Anything that could potentially threaten or interfere with the direct romantic entanglement of the main pairing is shunned to death. It's kind of sad.

last edited at Mar 4, 2019 7:13AM

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Lol, idk why citrus is treated as some manga with explicit sexual scenes where a French wouldn't even be seen as "sexual". As far as i know, there was never a explicit sex scene (or implied? I still read comments from fans complaining that the moment has not come yet). So besides French kissing that also happened here, i only remember one groping scene and hickey one.
Nakatani's previous works, according to her, weren't yuri (most of them) and only one of her doujins, as such, features a sex scene (between Yukari and Ran).
We have seen Miyako and Riko kiss and we don't need to see more because the story isn't focused on them and as an adult couple it's clear their sexual life is active, which is different from Touko and Yuu. Anyways, this "will they do it onscreen or not" discussion is based on asumptions so we had better end it here. Nakatani will eventually prove us wrong or right, I just personally don't think it's extremely unlikely.

You misunderstand. In Citrus french kissing and fondling is pretty normal, because it happened every few chapters. Therefore it just became the standard expression of their love. If they had sex it would have been something else. But in YagaKimi even a french kiss is something out of the ordinary, therefore it is seen in a way more sexual fashion.

Yeah Nakatani is weird like that. Is this a form of self-denial or lacking the objective perspective of an outsider? I certainly have seen many authors who didn't realize the implications of their own work sometimes, because in their heads it was rather clear cut, while their writing is anything but. Still it would be completely ludicrous to claim she didn't do yuri before and she probably knows that.

On-screen? Absolutely not. That's completely out of the question. Implied? I won't deny the possibility at all. It just doesn't feel like something she would focus on. Nakatani's intimacy is rather emotionally wired or of comfort. I don't know how to express it, but the passion and horniness feel pretty contained. Which I personally like better anyway.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

^TBH I wouldn't be surprised at all if Marika just pulled that whole boyfriend thing out of her ass as a cheap dodge to Kazami's somewhat obvious interest which she isn't entirely comfortable (or at least doesn't quite know how to cope) with.

While I definitely believe that it could be a lie, I don't think it's for the reason you mentioned. Seriously, Marika doesn't seem as bothered by this situation as she initially claimed. She seems to be rather receptive to the whole dating thing, even if it's a bit much. To her Kazami is doing this as camouflage anyway, so why would she feel "obvious interest" from her? She is an airhead after all and Kazami is a pretty impressive actress.

What could be the actual reason for the lie then? One possibility could be that she is trying to justify to herself that she definitely wants to go back home and isn't happy to be in this world right now.

PS: While we are talking about crazy theories, Marika didn't actually say 'boyfriend'. She only said she is "dating someone". We simply made an assumption that it's a boy, because of her previous attitude towards what is "normal". Mega super shocking plot twist: She is dating a girl in the original world in secret (or reluctantly) and this other world is supposed to make her come to terms with it!
yeah that aint gonna happen

last edited at Mar 4, 2019 6:39AM

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

^At some point its just a plain old harem.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Sheesh, people have been traumatized by this development so much before that they forget that it can absolutely have merits. A new character, heck even a rival character, can bring in something that is needed to move the plot/relationship along. Often only being confronted with a third party really gets the main characters to realize their true feelings.
As always with any narrative device, the execution is all that matters.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

That final expression on Kazami's face was certainly priceless. "Are you focking serious mate...?"

I feel chapter 1 (or zero?) didn't exactly establish that Marika had a boyfriend. I don't mean it was just ommited, the way her inner monologue about her "normal" life went seemed to really imply that she was still dreaming/hoping for a relationship and a guy she will eventually marry. It might be just a hunch, but I feel like that was either not originally planned from the first chapter or there is something more to it than that.

For instance she really does seem rather contend to hang out with Kazami right now. She didn't waste a single thought on her "boyfriend" since she arrived in this parallel world either. At least she kinda worried about her family (despite still not having even talked to her 'father'). Of course not being worried about your situation is a standard symptom of airhead syndrome, but who knows.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Teasing only works if the other party is receptive. We all know Prez is super ultra gay, so Hino's quips work wonders.
But as seen from her occasional inner thoughts, I feel that Hino is actually hiding her true intentions and feelings behind the teasing as well.

BugDevil
Yuri Moyou discussion 04 Mar 03:49
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

This is starting to rival the teacher/student couple now. Hang in the Sakimiya-san! Boss will notice you one day.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Eh? Did I miss the harem tag somewhere? Is Fujishiro a girl magnet now? Kurokawa, Izumi, the childhood friend and maybe even that bitch Miki?
Well let's say that new girl is a false flag and Miki doesn't count.... I think Izumi is the only one who truly seems to have a crush on Fujishiro. She was build up for that since the first few chapters, so it wouldn't be a surprise. She does seem rather contend to watch from the sidelines, though.

last edited at Mar 4, 2019 4:30AM

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

"We are completely different" is refering to the fact that Rikka was in love with her sis without realizing and took their bond for granted, while Touko is open about being a lesbian, but has never seen her sister that way.

The incest tag is kind of misleading, but if it wasn't there the twist would be lessened I suppose lol

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

I disagree. I think that Nakatani had never shied away from showing their sexual attraction towards each other. No one expected ch 16, it happened. No one expected ch 20, it happened. & according to some reports from the open talk event from 2/26, ch 22 was originally supposed to have more underlying implications than what we got though the anime did make up for it with the melting popsicle symbolism. Not to say that sex will definitely happen, but I personally wouldn't be surprised if it does.

A kiss is still just a kiss even if it involves tongue. We have Riko-sensei and Miyako who are clearly in a mature relationship sleeping in the same bed and there was some very tiny implication that they did it that night, but that's the level we are dealing with here. Nakatani rarely ever goes the extra mile on this stuff judging by her other works.
I simply don't believe that any focus will be put on it at all.

Sex is part of romantic love (unless both persons are asexual, but that's not the case for Touko and Yuu), so idk why sex couldnt't be part of this (romantic) story. Nakatani has said more than once that she enjoys drawing erotic scenes in yagakimi (I guess she only meant chapter 16 so far, but she did say that scene is one of her favorites) so it's not highly unlikely for it to happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't, I just simply wouldn't see sex in this manga as something shocking in the "omg I can't believe this kind of story had sex". Realistically speaking, I'd say it's 50/50 (just on whether Nakatani wants it, her editor accepting it is another thing) and that's just "being on a bed after talking about it, and then fade to black panel after some kissing maybe"

See, eroticism is something playful, like in chapter 16. It doesn't really break any boundaries, the only reason it even registered as something special to us is because the story is usually extremely tame. If this was Citrus, that scene wouldn't even register as "sexual".
I never said it's shocking, I just don't believe Nakatani will focus on it.

Lol. Dub-con hand-holding.

It’s a given that anything very explicit is unlikely in this series; we’re just having fun.

Of course, the latest Kase-san tank has thrown down the gauntlet on heatin’ it up while keepin’ it pure.

Well about that... some people here seem to see it differently lol

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

All those pent-up frustrations have to go somewhere.

You mean they're going to h-hold hands?! :O

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/bloom_into_you_ch03#16
Yuu has been a deviant since early on. Is this hate-holding? Can they go back to vanilla hand holding after starting out this corrupt?

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

So, how do we feel about a relationship where first sex is make-up sex?

I don't think they'll fuck first thing next chapter, but I sure hope they will at some point in vol 8. All those pent-up frustrations have to go somewhere.

Horniness where it's due, but this isn't that type of story. I have a hard time believing that Nakatani will even imply that they did anything sexual. If they both fall on a bed together and we skip to a black panel that would already be genuinly surprising. Maybe an off-hand mention during a conversation to it having happened off-panel.

'Tis all about the emotions and the rest is for us to imagine.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

I am not totally sure Yuu thinks she will be rejected "again", I feel Touko's text message gave her some hope for a make up (considering the text message on her phone was bright and shiny too), but I do think Yuu would have confronted Touko and make her feelings clear to her even if she hadn't received that "hope" message. Would have been painful for Yuu but she wouldn't have been deeply afraid unlike chapter 34 (something similar happened to Sayaka, and her end regarding Touko was bittersweet instead of completely bitter). It shows growth on Yuu's side and I feel proud. Chapter 40 will also show Yuu facing Touko but in a more positive light than in the "what if she never received the text message" scenario, I think.

The text message is the catalyst for change. It shows that Touko is ready to finally address the thing they both have been avoiding since chapter 34 (to be fair, Touko already gave her a chance in chapter 35, but Yuu wasn't ready). I don't think that Yuu, who has been deeply ingrained with the belief that Touko rejects her for her love, would think that Touko suddenly changed after just one trip to Kyoto. So for now I will see this as her taking the first/only chance she got to make her feelings clear despite believing that she will run into resistance.

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Yeah, I don't think any of that actually came across to Yuu. Yuu just said in this chapter that "Nanami-senpai liked me because I couldn't fall in love with anyone," which is why Touko does need to properly confess and clear things up to Yuu.

It just isn't right that she needs to properly confess considering that every time she said "I love you" (more times than I can count) she actually genuinly meant it. So it's not so much a proper confession as just clearing up a misunderstanding.

Now if she will put it in the form of a clean slate re-confession, I won't mind.

I was especially gratified at Yuu’s clear-headed take on what Touko had been doing—being selfish and unfair. (“I’ll give you love and not expect any in return” is awkward but superficially benign; “I’ll give you love and you may not give any in return” is something else entirely.)

She's been aware of that since the moment she agreed to those terms back in chapter 10. And so is Touko since chapter 34.
It certainly would be nice for Yuu to release all that pent up frustration. Another "Senpai you jerk!" moment incoming? Although it may seem somewhat petty at this point haha

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

The thing is that Yuu still thinks that she falling in love with Touko means she won't love Yuu anymore. I meant that Touko needs to leave that clear by saying that she loves Yuu entirely and didn't stop doing it just because she changed. I guess you can call it reaffirmation and I agree with that, but I also wanna call it confessions 2.0, which I believe will be much better than their original confessions (ch. 2 & 34).

This aspect is actually something I am very happy about! Because this establishes that Yuu has decided to confront Touko with her feelings despite thinking she will be rejected this time (unlike her 34 confession where she was too afraid to even face her). It shows that even if Touko had not resolved her issues that Yuu would have kept pursuing her anyway.

Both needed to make up their minds and meet halfway. Be equal. That's the best foundation for their future relationship.