That sure was a ride... And we found out exactly what happened with Sensei.

Looking forward to the next chapter, though.

Yeah, if Sensei is uncomfortable dating right now, she's definitely not having sex.

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Honestly this is moving too fast for my liking. Sadako and Hanako had hardly time to establish any real relationship, having mostly interacted indirectly before Sabbath interfered, and now there's supposed to be romantic tension with characters they quite literally met hours if not minutes ago?

They just met at a party, and the witches are flirting with them as you would. It doesn't take much to crush for a pretty face. The story isn't really presenting this stuff as though they're all in love and only one of them is going for the flirting anyway. The tension is in the fact that we know these witches are bad news (we're here to catch them), and it seems as if they've brought our MCs home for a reason, likely manipulatively. Now they even have their fourth member on the way. There's also the tension of the MCs' forced relationship and how this situation reveals more of their differences and character issues.

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There is a new sequel series of this that follows the main couple's dating life. The main series just ended, so this is a quick jump right into a continuation because of popularity. Official English translation is well behind that, though, but has reached volume 4, with 5 coming soon.

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This discussion is making me think that maybe neither Sadako nor hanako know what butches are lmao. It wouldn't surprise me either, Sadako hasn't been outside for like at least 200 years, and Hanako... maybe she's just never looked into it while going through the torment nexus of social relationships.

I’m more interested in Moon’s friend, Marina. Unless Marina’s lying (which she could be, but I don’t know why), wouldn’t she know these things? Hanako and Sadako could be mistaken for sure though. Those two are all over the place. I didn’t remember the the list from chapter 6, so I’m now leaning into the “Hanako and Sadako must be mistaken” camp.

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what are the odds she SOMEHOW doesnt break up with him and it causes issues later? Haha surely not..right..?

Honestly, if that doesn't happen, it would be a waste. Why include him in the series at all, and even keep them "dating" if it's not going to serve some narrative purpose? I'm assuming his inclusion is about providing her an opportunity to showcase her growth when it comes to peer pressure and conforming. She'll have to make a clear decision. She's definitely down bad for our girl but we already knew that. The issue is doing this stuff publicly around her peers.

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In the original, "Moon" (or Tae-wol), conspicuously uses boyish language. But it's mainly "boku", which is what a young boy, or a butch, would use. Marina never referred to Moon as a "him", but just as "aitsu", "soitsu" which are non-gendered addresses. Whether Moon is actually a boy is up in the air.

Also, considering previous chapter's hint, all the names start with M: Marina, Moon, Margaret, Mone.

If Moon weren't intended as a boy what would be the point of Sadako's final comment of the chapter? And earlier in the chapter when the friend responds to the idea that woman can't be together, she says "I'm a woman too!" If Moon were a woman, who is clearly courting our MC, wouldn't the friend instead reply "you were already flirting with a woman (Moon)"? The dialogue seems to suggest one direction to me, although there's maybe some wiggle room. I guess we'll see though.

Otherwise, loved this chapter again.

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Man being a mangaka must be tough as fuck. That's why it always bothers me when readers go for personal attacks on authors, especially considering a lot them read it for free on sites like this one. It's just vile to me.

Same. It annoys me as well. I typically try and say something when that happens.

I dont really want to get too deep into it and what I said isnt always true but i'd say thats generally how many view it. That you shouldnt conflate some imaginary character or some line art with the real thing.

Imaginary, exaggerated, but also heavily stylized. Anime characters don't look like real people in the slightest (they often don't even act like them). These aren't life-like recreations. These aren't portraits. Their faces are sometimes triangles. Their "age" is mostly a reflection of clothing and a change in hair. It's not at all realistic. Some people get that and some don't.

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The best part of these manga is all the people who see the tags, decide "this is shit i'm not going to like but i'm going to read it anyways!" and decide their opinion needs to see the light of day in the manga's discussion thread

And of course the "why are these people here" discussion. I'm doing my part.

Gotta keep the traditions alive.

Chill and the bar guys know what's up.

Usui is amazing. This series is amazing.

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I also don't see having shame around admitting to enjoying it as culturally specific, though culture can impact how common it is or how it's expressed. You could find plenty of real people in the US like this, some of whom would identify with the BDSM label while others wouldn't. I do get the sense that in Japan there is pressure for younger women to be cute and pure, but I'm hesitant to read too much into manga characters.

By "culture," I was mostly referring to how it's depicted in media. In Japanese manga (and LNs) at least, this kind of stuff is not unusual and is shown in clearly chill, consensual situations or situations that aren't specifically meant to be depicting BDSM. In contrast, from what I've seen in the west, if a character is crying at all during sex or saying "no," its nearly always intended as a negative and dangerous. That seems to prime people for viewing these types of positive scenes in manga negatively as well (and that goes for some other Asian series too). I agree with you, though.

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https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/their_secret_time is a good example, especially looking at the comments. Lots of uncertainty about what's going on.

It makes me very happy to see this work cited in this context. It's such a cool piece of media to me.

I actually forgot she is the mangaka for "Learning Love," as well. I also liked that one-shot and thought it was pretty clearly consensual, but there was some discussion happening, so I guess the tag works. I wouldn't even call it BDSM--it's just a common trope in manga (and LNs) with shy characters ashamed of openly admitting they enjoy "it" but very much wanting and expecting their partner to continue the whole time. When it's intended to be dangerous, those scenes (and the scenes around them) are normally written differently. Sometimes it just feels like a cultural difference.

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^ are you seriously doing the "she just hasn't met the right guy" routine? Here of all places?

I wouldn't assume every character will be gay. This is a series the author said will have a variety of relationship types, so it's not unreasonable. It's about romance in general. The only absolute staple is our main lesbian couple (MC and her GF), who the author loves and started the series for.

Right now I'm leaning towards, "she's not interested in romance altogether," or "it's just too early and she shouldn't compare herself to other people."

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So, is she gonna be aro ace or just comphet? Only time will tell.
I was assuming ace at first, but the chapter ending with her meeting a new girl seems to be setting up a relationship between them.

I think there are more than these 2 options here, and it could also just be too early for her. There's no limit to what kind of relationship she might end up in (or none at all), since this series will have a variety. It's good they prevented what would have been a terrible situation, though. Also, can't ignore the dash home for sweets from the worried GF.

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Read on the author's twitter that from the beginning it was intended to be short. There will probably be volume extras that I'm looking forward to. I placed an order for the physical book yay

An extra sounds good. I appreciate the shorter series, especially when they're intended to be "bite size." Anything that ends gets called axed so that's an unfortunately normal reaction now--even though the series was always promoted as a short serialization.

an extra of her dream being married would be really cute ^_^
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/love_and_dreams_dont_mix_ch08#38

Yeah, that would be sweet.

I'll just say this once so I don't start any arguments or whatever and will clarify this is very much a matter of personal taste but like...I don't like how this villainess manga is spending more time focusing on the love triangle with Diana and pushing Diana more than the actual villainess.
I came to this manga for hot evil/misunderstood women not whatever this is.
Again this is very much my personal preference I just really am not a fan of this sort of thing so I might just drop it for now and read when I see [Final] on the side.

No, I agree, especially since most of the love triangle stuff hasn’t really gone anywhere and hasn’t changed much since the beginning. It's a bit of a fake triangle, in that Natori’s feelings haven’t evolved towards Diana romantically (and I don't expect them to), so narratively it all still feels extremely one-sided (not to mention the new girl’s role now complicating things further). I commented a while back, saying a lot of the same things. The love triangle angle might be working for sales, but overall, the story feels like it’s lost some of the focus and unique promise it had early on, in favor of stuff that's a bit more typical.

Seeing the author's afterwords, where this sports aside seems like it was a new "wouldn't that be fun" decision, isn't that surprising. We’re 20+ chapters in, and Lapis’ plans have barely begun or gotten any real attention. Lapis and Natori actually haven't gotten much focus recently, but I am assuming that is just for this volume. I still love the series, but I’m ready for it to move forward. I want more focus on Lapis’ evil plans and Natori’s struggle to stop her and save her. That's partly why I am happy for this new character--hopefully, she helps settle this stuff one-sided with Diana, and the story can start focusing on its plot again.

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Read on the author's twitter that from the beginning it was intended to be short. There will probably be volume extras that I'm looking forward to. I placed an order for the physical book yay

An extra sounds good. I appreciate the shorter series, especially when they're intended to be "bite size." Anything that ends gets called axed so that's an unfortunately normal reaction now--even though the series was always promoted as a short serialization.

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This writing is incredibly frustrating is what it is. It's obvious that Komaki and Wakana are endgame and we're supposed to root for them, but I really can't bring myself to when Matsuri is right there as an infinitely more appealing option.

I wouldn't say Matsuri is a yandere but she definitely is bland, by the book and boring. Wakaba wants more intense emotion and excitement. She really feels something with Komaki, so I couldn't say Matsuri is a better option for her.

She doesn't even register the "everyday girl, blush blush" stuff Matsuri is sending her way. She wants some spice. Plus, once they get over their current issue, there's nothing to suggest Komaki wouldn't be an amazing GF to Wakaba--she basically already is.

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Author is a favorite of mine. This was very intimate and lovely.

Keyyan manga depict intimacy so well, they always feel super pleasing to read. The closeness, the horniness, the slight awkwardness, the little moments of silence between them... its all just perfect.

Exactly!

As per Roody, this is a sequel to:
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/dont_call_me_senpai https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/beyond_bff_its_beyond_sweet

Yeah this one is apparently part of the 3rd volume of that collection. So 1 new chapter per volume.

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I dunno, it just makes zero sense to me. I can guarantee you people get more mad when the team they support loses what they perceive as a rigged competition, not when their team actually wins :P

But the noble team didn't win, they lost. The idea is that commoners felt the event was rigged (because of Lapis' rumors) and yet a special commoner team overcame those odds and beat the corrupted nobles. A win like that can foster a feeling of rebellion and political triumph for the commoners, while simultaneously angering the noble class who already feel the political tides shifting outside of these games. It can be a symbolic victory and the event exists within a political environment that has already been teetering.

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I'd argue it does, because those games aren't about practice or discipline. They're about showcasing magical dominance, which is why there's basically no rule on what magic can be used. They exist (probably by design) to hand nobles easy, flashy victories, which reinforces their status and makes inequality look natural.

Right, these are political games more than anything and that has parallels to real life.

Now I am wondering if the final scene, with Alexandra choosing to trust Diana and her team, to plan with them for victory, is "just" character growth and the side couple becoming closer together. Or if it's a hint of things to come when actual conflicts and faction will become important for the future of all of them.

I'd say its all of the above--couple stuff mixed with political stuff, the bread and butter of this series.

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Will this one be axed like the cosplay one?

Let me look into the future.

They say "I hate you" and mean "I love you". I kind of love it

It's sweet yeah and Wakaba is pulling her in for kisses now.

Y'all complaining cuz there was nothing explicitly said in the last few pages, but literally the entire chapter was laying it all out that they will be romantic. They both want to not be apart, they'll be lonely apart, they long to see each other. XD

I think people want things to be explicit like in nearly every other non-yuri romance series.

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