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BugDevil
Camouflage discussion 05 Apr 13:02
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Well ain't that the queen bitch herself. If she feels so strongly about her, how about stopping the theatrics and just try to ask her out?

Cause she would be vulnerable and not in control if she did that, kinda an adorable insecurity despite everything else

Does Maya look like the kinda girl who will lose control once she gets tied up? I'd rather believe she will tighten the leash on Shino herself once they are dating.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

1 mistake led into a good long-lasting thing. These two are precious together. Kozuka is well on her way to barging out of that closet, emotionally speaking.
Even just touching hands in a sensual way makes her that excited. Well she always enjoys the physicality whether she admits it or not.

last edited at Apr 5, 2020 12:43PM

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

If there is more... then Canno is being surprisingly delicate about this detail in a story full of sledgehammers. lol

This is an interesting way of putting it, since I've always thought that good manga (or good popular narrative generally) always tends to alternate subtlety with trope-y sledgehammers, or perhaps the subtle deployment of sledgehammers.

I understand that particular tropes are notoriously pet peeves for individual readers at best or traumatic personal-experience-memory triggers at worst, but I personally tend to find tropes mostly pleasurable when deployed in an interesting story, and their relative realism mostly irrelevant (although I've heard more than a couple real-life "practice-kissing" stories, not as the gateway to a lesbian relationship but as a slightly more grown-up version of "playing doctor"-type experimentation).

Cultural festival? Class trip? Interrupted attempt at confession? Bring 'em on!

I tend to agree, except this story in particular had no such nuance until now, so that's why I didn't even consider it until Lyendith brought it up.

The thing with realism or fantasy is... you ought to pick one. Or find an incredibly hard to achieve balance. As I mentioned in my comment about the "Kissing practice", Canno is going for the fantastical storytelling that strains the suspension of disbelief, which in general I think is fine, that's how AnoKiss mostly panned out and I loved it. Her perception of polyamory, romance and cliches are all very fantasy like and lack in realism.
In her narrative world I can fully believe that there is a school filled with nothing but lesbians and even that every girl loves everyone or whatever, but when she then attempts to ground it or defy her own narrative by treating kissing as less of a meaningful thing after establishing it is or attempts awkwardly to add a dose of realism to polyamory while still stuck in the fantasy version of it... well it just doesn't jive.

I think we both agree that writing carries everything, even tropes, so it is important that the author knows what they are doing. I don't feel like Canno does as of right now, at least for this story.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

It's a bit hard to tell this early, but that's how I interpret it.

At any rate, I'm curious to see Mayuki and Akira interact privately; we haven't seen much of their relationship so far, at least not from Akira's side.

And man, I could stare at page 27 for hours… it's so beautiful…

I suppose so. We are all just guessing.

If I had to make a random guess I'd say Akira will find out that Rin tutors Mayuki during their "basketball practice". And if we go by the cliche... maybe she will kiss her to "take back those lips" or for some other reason. I actually have a very strong feeling they might kiss, but not advance their relationship at all.
oooor not and they will just vaguely miss the truth of each other's relation to Rin somehow. That can also happen.

Canno's art is always great.

BugDevil
Past discussion 05 Apr 09:32
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

I remember playing a VN with something like that. MC's capture targets were twins.
In one of the routes the twin MC falls for dies and she ends up marrying the other twin. Years later, the sister that died reincarnated as their (the MC and the sister that didn't die) daughter who retained her memories from her previous life.

Bad plot aside... how did they have a daughter in the first place? The power of science?

BugDevil
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

TL for Nakatani's antho chap: https://mangadex.org/chapter/841919/1
These two are so cute, I miss them.

She gave us hope just to dash them again. I really wish there was coming out chapter. Mom can't be kept in the dark forever.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

^^ The thing is, I don't think Mayuki herself has any delusions about kissing making her "more mature", at least not after chapter 1 ("We should try different configurations"… yeah, sure… XD) While maybe not "in love", she still has a fascination with Rin and liked the experience of kissing, so she wants more of it. We've seen that she's very simple-minded and easily fixated on things; not very prone to think them through either.

I honestly did not see it that way. That's actually kind of subtle... if true. The extreme focus Mayuki has on Akira since chapter 1 just makes this very hard to believe imo. I would think that her number 1 priority if she liked kissing would be to get to kiss Akira then if we logically follow her character. If Rin is just a means to an end it would fall in line with what we saw. If there is more... then Canno is being surprisingly delicate about this detail in a story full of sledgehammers. lol

last edited at Apr 5, 2020 8:02AM

BugDevil
Past discussion 05 Apr 07:41
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

I was just about to tell 'em that Nevri was just being facetious and making a (poorly conceived) joke to riff on people focusing on unecessary details in other threads. But seems it's too late.

No one was sexualizing anything. If you look at nakedness as sexual, then you're the problem.

He/she kinda has a point tho, the nude shot was really unnecessary and, i.e, something like that done irl with actors in a movie or TV series would get huge backlash from people, no matter how artisticly it was done or whatever.

At least this is a drawing, a comic, so it doesn't really matter in the end.

You really had to take the bait? You know it had no sexual connection. It was just an artistic depiction of her "purest form"/soul in the dream. This is often used in all media, but usually they censor the nipples. Freaking Dragonball had Vegeta appear naked in Goku's mind to remind him of the Super Saiyan legend or whatever. Visual metaphors etc.
Sexualization does not start with nudity, but intent.

last edited at Apr 5, 2020 7:43AM

BugDevil
Camouflage discussion 05 Apr 07:33
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Well ain't that the queen bitch herself. If she feels so strongly about her, how about stopping the theatrics and just try to ask her out?
I at least like the disaprity between her barely reacting to the rumors Misa spread compared to Misa (mostly unintentionaly) making her jealous by getting too close to Shino. That's always fun.

Would have deserved an "oh, you thought I was easy to read? I was just playing around with you, too bad" twist ending.

This was what I had hoped for. Or that Shino was actually already in a relationship with Misa and they were hiding it. Which also would have explained Misa's jealousy and spread of the rumors.

last edited at Apr 5, 2020 7:35AM

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

But anyway, I'm not as bothered by some clichés like the "confession tree" as BugDevil is since Canno clearly plays with them a ittle bit. In this case for example, confessing under the magic tree would most definitely make no one happy at the moment.

It's not so much that she uses the cliche to its fullest or complete meaning, but more that she includes it at all. It's a crutch. I can defnitely see that down the line this tree will have some silly symbolic integration that will no doubt be all cute... Just not great.

And the "kissing practice" trope was not twisted at all. It's the same bad thing it has always been. It may sound like I'm throwing a hissy fit here, but out of all the things in this manga right now, even the subpar poly writing, this cliche is what disappointed me the most. This downright silly concept of kissing practice with friends... no a stranger even, that the character has no intimate relationship with or feelings for, it just appalls me to be honest. And it's not because I think kissing usually is that important, but it's because Canno's writing is based around taking these things seriously. This story at its core is a fantasy and distorted from reality. First kisses, kissing in general, they have greater meaning here than in real life. I mean Rin herself acknowledges this even.
In this case it only exists to forcefully jumpstart Rin's romantic interest in Mayuki and make Akira jealous. For a series that puts so much focus on feelings, I am simply disappointed about the order of things and the reliance on such cheap devices. If Canno had shown Mayuki being attracted or interested in Rin already and the same for Rin towards Mayuki this would be so much more agreeable.

Instead we end up with Rin betraying the trust of Mayuki's mother, being wishy-washy about her feelings and just forcefully moving on to the next cute girl. And for what? Mayuki will not become better at kissing from having a light peck with someone she doesnt love once or twice a week, someone who doesn't even have experience to begin with. It's so unecessary. At least with Sakura Trick all the kissing had a certain thematic purpose.

Sorry again. I know you didn't directly reply to me.

BugDevil
Past discussion 05 Apr 05:07
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Life is full of it

Isn't that why this is fiction? So that we can do something beyond the limits of reality? Ghosts aren't real. This scenario isn't real. Why does the pointlessness have to be?
That's just how I see it.

BugDevil
Past discussion 05 Apr 04:56
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

This needs a tragedy tag. Nobody got anything out of this. I guess there was a little bit of closure for Mori, but ultimately it's just a girl having an unrequited crush and that crush dying. There is not even a sense of fulfillment or anything.
I hate pointless death.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Ah.... I avoided this one for so long, but I felt it was not right. I adore Canno's works too much not to give her a chance. Even though this set-up is the anti-thesis of my preferences... but her artwork is so good. The main characters are all cute and... uh... defined.

Sigh. Fine, I can't really pretend that I enjoy this. It's like Canno is actively trying to shove in every last thing that rubs me the wrong way. Love triangles and polyamory are already very hard concepts to sell, but the way she goes about it doesn't help. She even relies on the most annoying cliches like "kissing practice" and the special love confession tree. Ugh. It feels so forced it makes me a bit sick. And I feel like Canno really doesn't get polyamory. I know she prefers romanticized set-ups and solutions, because it's yuri, but all this "I love you all equally" stuff is so terribly unrealistic. It's the same thing I didn't like about the poly arc in AnoKiss. And every two pages someone has to say "I want to be the only one special to you", like even when talking about friendship? Please make it stop. There is a difference between theming and hitting people with a basbeall bat that has "subtlety" written on it.

Love triangle and polamory are mutually exclusive, so we all know where this goes. One will transition into the other. As if miraculously all being lesbians wasn't already the entry barrier to suspension of disbelief, it's gotta be mulitplied with everyone just loving everyone now. Akira's perspective of a rigid monogamous attitude is only here as a forced contrast, isn't it? Rin loves everyone, Mayumi loves Akira, but to achieve that she does stupid things like "kissing practice" and will probably accept Akira also loving another girl because she would do anything to be with her and Akira wants to monopolize, but will turn around. The first page of the freaking manga made that clear already.

I don't hate poly by default. Even love triangles can have merit. But the execution here doesn't make me hopeful. Sorry for the rant, I'm sure most people here enjoy it very much and it's not like it's really all bad. I will keep reading at least. Sometimes Canno can pull a third act that makes me forget my issues, so I'll try believing in her a bit longer.

last edited at Apr 5, 2020 3:49AM

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

It's a joke translation. Extremely exaggerated to riff on yuri tropes.

Thank you, though I wish it was real from the mangaka.

I don't think any mangaka in Japan is that aware of Dynasty memes.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Slut-shaming. Biphobia. Cheat-o-phobia. Just another day in Dynasty Forum.

I get the first two, but "cheat-o-phobia"? I think it's normal not to accept cheating. The word itself implies that the partner did not consent to it.
Not that it even applies here, considering they clearly aren't dating.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

A few people already asked this but got no answer.
Is this a joke translation or a joke manga(which mean the translation was correct)?

It's a joke translation. Extremely exaggerated to riff on yuri tropes.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

^Eh? That joke has been made since chapter 1 lol

last edited at Apr 5, 2020 7:18AM

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 05:22
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
Bed

^Well... there is a random calculator on the floor. That's a detail.

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 04:59
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Nothing is impossible if you want something hard enough.

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 04:58
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Congratula-death to their friendship after this.

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 04:57
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Why can I imagine that one of the fetishes involved here is cigarette burns?

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 04:55
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
Bed

Tucking in your drunk partner, how relatable. I can feel the warmth from their interactions~

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 04:53
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Namori's curse will never be broken. All shall be shipped without reason.
But who can blame Ayano? She will never feel something like this with her girlfriend Toshino Kyouko. Copping a feel once is just courtesy.

BugDevil
Image Comments 04 Apr 04:50
Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018
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Kiss them petals.

Eivhbyw
joined Aug 26, 2018

Because I am an idiot, I haven't read this since the first chapter. Because I am an idiot I read the rest all in one go.
And now we are suddenly YagaKimi.
Okay jokes aside, what a pleasant surprise. The first chapter was a pretty good hook, but I didn't expect it to really go that in depth with its concepts. How lovely. It may be a silly comparison, but Asahi does remind me of Touko from YagaKimi after all. And Hinako even goes with the whole "I don't understand love" angle. Oh my.

This sort of thing happens all too often for those who are left behind... to cling to anything that can make them go on. But "living for her sake" means you give up on yourself! Asahi has only her sister, but she doesn't feel lonely, because Subaru is all that matters. And as the mirror image, Hinako has everything on the surface, but still feels lonely, because she doesn't like herself. So the one who gave up on herself and the one who can't accept herself are here to mend each other. This is my favorite kind of story~