I binge read this series some time before the first NSFW chapter was released and have been following it since. I feel like it always had a bit of a "cheap hentai", as some people mentioned, undertone (?), so it's not really surprising, but it's also not the way I would have liked these scenes to be depicted. Idk, I guess I just don't like it when sex scenes in manga are so over the top, it feels a bit silly and fake (though I have definitely seen far worse).

I kinda can't deny that there were these sort of "horny teenagers" jokes all the time in the course of the series, so the exaggerated expressions and such were to be expected I guess, but I still can't say I like it much. It's like I'm seeing the same tasteless dialogue of every boring NSFW doujin ever. It's not terrible, but it's not particularly good or interesting either.

^ I see. I was wondering if she were, thanks for the info

^^^^
I don't follow vitubers, but this did need some context, so I decided to watch the clip. And it was hilarious. Was that pink haired girl Calli? I think I read that in the comments. Her reaction was so funny XD
Also, she has a nice voice (and a surprisingly good accent?)

That's some crazy perspective here, love it! This artist always delivers.

Then why are you even following it for? What enjoyment are you getting from it, exactly? Nothing in this novel seems to be your cup of tea.

That's a very good question, actually XD
I do like the artstyle and I've come to be somewhat interested in Claire... But everything else just ends up annoying me, so perhaps it'd really be for the best to drop it.

I don't think it came across as well in the manga as in the LN, but they didn't come up with this plan. They were forced into it by the figure in black, who told Lambert that they'd kill Lene if he didn't go through with it (in the book Lene shows up with two other men that were guarding her/waiting to kill her if Lambert backed out, and they're the ones who have a knife pressed to Claire's neck; I didn't really care for the change, as it makes Lene look less sympathetic), while also promising that if Lambert completed the mission their agents would help the two of them run away to start a new life together where nobody knew about their secret.

It sounds like the scene in the book made a whole lot more sense. But I'm not sure if I understood this correctly: did they agree to the plan at first and then wanted to back out? (and that was when they threatened to kill Lene?) Or do you mean that they were approached with this threat from the very beginning (which doesn't really seem to be the case, at least not in the manga)? Cause if it's the first, then I don't think it makes them all that more sympathetic.

A "bootstrap paradox" is using knowledge from the future to 'invent' something in the past/present such that it has no real origin anymore. And she did make doujins for Revolution so her knowledge of the game/series is pretty high. To be more specific though she used water magic to flush the poison from his system.

Okay, I'm definitely not very knowledgeable about this, but from what I found when I looked up the term, I don't think you could say that this is a bootstrap paradox...? Isn't the bootstrap paradox supposed to refer to an eternal loop caused when, for example, the actions of someone from the future lead to them being send to the past again once they reach that point in time? Which in this case would translate to Rei knowing how to neutralize the poison from her outside knowledge of the game, and her knowing how to do it and performing it now leading to heroine-Rei knowing how to do it later in the game.

In this case Rei doesn't use future knowledge in a way that she invents something that has no origin, because what she's experiencing and the events of the game are basically two separate timelines. The origin remains what it was (heroine-Rei's invention) and this Rei does not play any role in heroine-Rei finding a way to counteract the poison in the game. What I mean to say is, for this to be a bootstrap paradox (at least as I understood the term) Rei and heroine-Rei would need to be one and the same, or Rei's actions now would need to have directly affected heroine-Rei's efforts in finding the cure in the future.

Apart from that though, I can let go of my frustration about this one, cause if it's something as simple as that, she could have used it just by knowing that's what the heroine did.

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On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

At any point off screen? From Rei's POV she's in a game she's played a lot, she knows what's going to happen. I assume that includes "enemies use this poison".

Sure thing, but if she has yet to encounter the poison in the first place, how would she go about finding the cure? Whatever, this wasn't the first time (nor is it gonna be the last probably) that something like this happens in the story... Rei just magically knows how to do things because she played the game, even when that knowledge almost certainly wouldn't actually be available within the game itself.

I mean she does use literal magic to heal him... but you could probably chalk this one up to a bootstrap paradox too.

What do you mean with "bootstrap paradox" here? Are you suggesting that the Rei of the game later knew how to neutralize the poison because Rei does it here? Cause that wouldn't work since the Rei of the game was separate to the one that's been isekai'd (or at least that's what we've been led to believe so far).

Bhrjr thanks, but I don't read spoilers for series I'm following. I probably will if (when?) I get so fed up with this that I decide to drop it though.

Wow things are really changing now. Thought this was just going to stay contained to school things like other villainess stories. I am quite curious if the princes will start looking into Rei after her being able to heal the prince.

The princes will probably do nothing, since that seems to be their main role in the story. But if we're lucky enough, Prince Rodd may also get a haircut, he could really use one.

"Would that really be the case if Lene was, say, more than just a sister to you?"
That's it I'm out
...Is what I wish I would have said and yet I came back (after a considerably long break)
Why can't I convince myself to drop this already?!

"If I make a single mistake you'll burn to a crisp"
Please do

This chapter was disappointing in more ways than I could have expected: first we get the Lene×Whatever-his-name-was reveal, which... I'd really rather do without, then we get Claire's frustratingly good magic control, which regrettably left Rei intact, and then we get Prince Thane's beautiful hair cut off. How much more do you think I can take author?! (Jokes aside, I'm loving the new hair too —again, why wasn't Prince Thane more popular???)

Are we supposed to feel sorry about Lene and her brother...? Cause they literally made this whole scheme with the goal of killing all the nobles there in mind, Claire clearly included... Oh, but Lene was so sad when their eyes met...! Almost made me tear up

Also, weren't they planning to leave the country to get married? So they didn't even actually care about the revolution? I'd say that Claire is giving Lene too much credit here by blaming her attitude for this lol

On a side note, just because "the protagonist eventually learns how to counteract their poison", somehow Rei can magically do it right at this moment? When did she even learn this?! If it was some sort of medicine that she made, it could make sense, but how can she just heal it magically? When. Did she. Learn this.

I'm so annoyed with this again. Couldn't keep the sarcasm out of my post

Any recommendations for ongoing manga / tv / comics / whatever that aren't labeled Yuri / GL but which give a good vibe and seem to be heading in that direction?

What do you mean by "heading in that direction" ? Like do you want to read/watch something where the relationship between the characters isn't the main plot ? Or something that's mostly subtext ?

If it's the first, there is Finding Wonderland on Webtoon. The art is great, the chemistry is great, the plot is engaging... I'd call it fantasy/adventure?
(Also, I just noticed there's no adventure genre on Webtoon? What's up with that? Webtoon calls it action, but I disagree)

^ Oh, that explains why she seemed completely unfamiliar. I"ve been avoiding that one because... super heroes and no yuri, I guess? But the artstyle is actually quite nice now that I checked it out... maybe I'll give it a try for glasses girl the art.

^^ This is completely irrelevant, but @Kiana, if you see this, could you tell me where the character on your profile pic is from? Thanks in advance

I take from this that Azuran's love was actually much stronger (or more intense) than Yuri's and she felt that if she stayed, it would end in a disaster for Yuri.

She had to leave to protect Yuri.

Yeah, otherwise who knows when Yuri would end up becoming stew...

I fail to see how Seungha taking her apple, giving her milk she didn't like and grabbing her hand are bullying. She was just an annoying kid at worst, and nothing we have seen so far compares to "pulling hair/shoving down".

I fail to see how that is not bullying. Of course, it largely depends on whether that was something that was happening repeatedly (which it seems to have been?) or not. However, is someone —who is merely an acquaintance and not a friend/family member— taking your food without your permission anything other than bullying? As the person who you're quoting said, that is exactly the equivalent to the typical "he's just teasing you because he likes you, that's how boys act" mentality, which I think really needs to die sooner rather than later. Handwaving behaviours like that as simply "annoying", when the actual person in question is bothered by them, is exactly what encourages them to continue.

(please excuse my rant, I tend to get worked up when I'm tired)

I totally agree with the gist of your argument—I think this series intends to be way fluffier than many people here have been taking it.

Just because a series intends to be fluffy, it doesn't mean that it comes off as such.
That said, I don't agree with the people who say that Chaeyeon was only very uncomfortable and stressed during their interactions, since she is clearly attracted to Seungha. I think mostly she's confused and uncomfortable because her attraction is clashing with the image of the bully she had from when they were kids.

God, I can kind of see it both ways, like either Seungha knows exactly what she's doing, or she's nothing but good intentions and has no idea of the conflict inside Chaeyeon's head.

I really feel like she has no idea. Just like when the were in elementary school, I think she's "teasing" her, without realising that she hadn't really left the best impression to Chaeyeon. Even when she asks "Do I make you feel uncomfortable?", she's completely satisfied with the answer and doesn't seem to pick up on Chaeyeon's quite uncomfortable expression...

As for the last chapter:
I thought they were supposed to "cook and eat together while making conversation", so how come they barely exchange three sentences?! Lol

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I feel like I've seen this kind of twist a hundred times (even though I haven't really). I mean, her saying she fell in love at first sight when the other one has her own face is pretty suspicious, no? Though I wasn't sure whether she knew it was her old classmate or just liked her face.

in another genre, the truth is revealed and it turns out that the pretty one always knew and liked the ugly one for who they were on the inside

Well, the ugly one was quite ugly on the inside too...

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"Your secondary sex typing still hasn't manifested itself?"

what is a secondary sex typing?

She is already an Alpha so is that referring to male/female?

Isn't it the other way round? She's already female, so that is referring to her being alpha.

I'm not well-versed in ABO stuff at all, but Wan Que says, "It's been three years since you turned alpha" and she answers, "I can't even imagine going into rut". So the secondary sex would be alpha/beta/omega and it hasn't manifested itself since she hasn't seen any changes since becoming alpha (no attraction to omegas, no rut etc.). That's my guess at least.

Btw, Ogino Jun eventually released a NSFW sequel chapter for those of you who are interested

I don't get where that is supposed to fit within the timeline of the series...? Is it meant to be after she comes back? Also, it kinda ruins the openness of the open ending, which was part of what made it so powerful, so that's a bit of a bummer...
I'll just think of it as an AU thing and try to wipe it from my memory I guess.

(I only skimmed through it, but the NSFW parts were surprisingly not-over-the-top, compared to other stuff I've seen from the author, so there was at least one good thing to come out of this lol)

^ Opapagoto

This was a very fitting ending to a very good series. I do wish there'd be an epilogue showing the others back home when they find out about their deaths, though. And to see what happened to glasses girl

I wanted them to be happy, which granted they are

They are...? But they are dead. And they didn't seem all that happy with how their lives ended, honestly. Though I guess you may be referring to the supposed afterlife scene... I only interpreted that as Hina's final thoughts, a delusion caused by her exhaustion or something. I guess it's left up to the reader, but with the way it was shown, right before showing us their bodies covered in snow, it seems like that was just her wish as she was losing consciousness.

Edit: Btw did Hina go out with the intention of killing herself or did she just gave up after falling?

Seeing how she had been carrying Airi's body for who knows how long, in the cold, while being underfed, with little sleep and under enormous amounts of stress for a number of days, I think its more than likely that she really couldn't get up, even if she wanted to.

^ You're right, thanks! I couldn't really get into Virgins' Empire when I tried it before, but seeing how you really can read each story separately, perhaps I'll give it another try and only follow the pairs I like.

^ I probably would have preferred for it to have romance tbh, but she does seem to fit what I'm looking for (and it's not like I had specified that it needed to be romance in my request lol), so I'll give it a try, thanks :)

Anything with characters that seem sort of gloomy or shy or unkempt or unapproachable? I'm thinking of characters like Makino from Shells and AlternaRock, Makio from Ikoku Nikki, Maki from Run Away With Me, Girl, Shou from Dark Forest, White Road and even Sorawo from Otherside Picnic. The ones who fit best what I have in mind, in both appearance and personality, are probably Makino, Shou and Makio (but I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to have the names Makino, Makio and Maki one after the other lol). I'm looking for this loner type of character.

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"Oh, there are no times like that"
I really liked this line, very much like Asa to say that

I love it. The dawning of understanding, even if only one way. Do I feel bad for the guy? Not at all. That would mean that the girls’ relationship was less valid.

Why would that mean that the girls' relationship was less valid? Do you never feel bad for the girl who gets rejected in other yuri manga? If anything, what you're saying means that the guy's feelings were less valid (which in a way wouldn't be entirely untrue perhaps, since they don't seem to actually know each other lol)

Sayo didnt feel jealous, she just was feeling left out.

I'm not so sure about that... Obviously she was feeling left out, but I think she always wanted to keep Mei to herself. I agree with your take on the kiss between Sayo and Rinna, it sure gave me the impression that the author wanted to start something between the two. That's why I'd rather they had never included it in the first place, if they weren't gonna do anything with it.

I liked this as a final chapter, I don't see why so many people are trashing it like this. Yes, it did feel like the last few chapters were rushed and I can understand the frustration towards the tired time-skip endings, but I liked how Rinna was handled tbh.

Thinking about it again, I'm not sure how a poly ending would have worked, since Sayo not only didn't show any romantic interest towards Rinna, but also got jealous when Mei hung out with other people. She clearly wanted Mei to herself. Perhaps it could have been done if Sayo and Rinna were given more time, but I guess that wasn't the author's (or the publisher's) intention. I definitely would have preferred if the kiss scene between them hadn't existed at all though... As I've said previously, that is a ridiculous trope and I can only understand its use when it actually helps progress the relationship of the characters involved. Otherwise it's just silly and unnecessary.

The prophesied incest 'arrow' finally made its debut in the last chapter. All's well that ends well.

Idk, I didn't read it like that. I went back to reread chapters 12.1 and 12.2 and it just didn't seem like that to me (or maybe it's because these types of incestuous relationships you see in manga seem completely absurd to me lol). I do have to wonder whether the author intended to hint at that with the panel of the two of them though, because it can be a bit hard to tell with this series...

Anyone know of a dark, fantasy, supernatural manga that is set in a school where students learn magic to fight in a war and many of them die? It's black and white. The protagonist is a girl and I'm pretty sure its yuri. Then there is this other girl who became immortal because her mother sacrificed herself for her or something. Its a bit gory and I think the story is pretty short.

This probably?