And yet again, the transwoman is "perfect". If she didn't say she was a guy before, none would have guessed.

IMO, this way of portraying transwomen by mangaka is as bad as portraying them as ridiculous muscled unshaved drag-queens haunting bars in Roppongi. It's a lie.

Some (more than some really) trans ppl pass it's not nearly as unrealistic as you think, especially since it would seem she started her transition rather young. Basically, as long as she transitions before middle age and doesn't have any unusually large proportions, most trans women will pass pretty well, the earlier it is the easier it is.

The idea that transwomen somehow can’t be “perfect” passing in manga is dumb. Literally nobody could clock me as trans at this point in my transition and that’s not a rare occurrence. Not to mention this woman has literally been out since high school, the biggest years of her transition are probably over and all that’s left is maybe gaining some cup sizes.

Right? I basically never get misgendered, even in like a t-shirt and jeans with no makeup, and i've never even had a surgery, people really underestimate the power of HRT.

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And yet again, the transwoman is "perfect". If she didn't say she was a guy before, none would have guessed.

IMO, this way of portraying transwomen by mangaka is as bad as portraying them as ridiculous muscled unshaved drag-queens haunting bars in Roppongi. It's a lie.

Some (more than some really) trans ppl pass it's not nearly as unrealistic as you think, especially since it would seem she started her transition rather young. Basically, as long as she transitions before middle age and doesn't have any unusually large proportions, most trans women will pass pretty well, the earlier it is the easier it is.

Completely different worldviews are evidenced so well in these postboards. Apologists for a character cheating on an unsuspecting Husband, leading to people also claiming that Wataru is a 'little off' due to his numbed state after finding out about his wife and calling that reason to cheat in the first place (???)
Starting to find a lot of not misandry, but denigrating of male characters nowadays. Can't just be a nice Yuri, feeling the same thing from My Unrequited Love. Increasingly more sentiment of facets of contemporary 'pride' than girls' love :/

I Lol'd at your unironic use of the word misandry

sleekie posted:

Unless that's the end of the manga I don't see a reason to get mad.

In a way, stuff like that resulted in the end of the manga... get it? because it was axed XP

This is what happens when you have no faith in your lead character.

Is this manga any good? I remember reading the first few chapters, but don't really know how far. I stopped keeping up with it because, I thought there was too much focus on side characters, and thought that everyone was pretty unlikeable especially the crush Kaoru. is that her name? So, should I give it another go, or was I wise to stop.

This story is just WAY too much of a slow burn, I find it too hard to get into it. They still barely even interact with each other.

This manga is so god dang tiresome

Need Moar!!!!

What happened to the main character?

While this sort of thing is absolutely on brand for Kamen Rider, I do think the way this is presented is very Madokaesque, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was inspiration from that as well. On a similar note, magical girl shows, particularly Pre Cure, are sort of equivalent to Super Sentai, and it could be said that the dark magical girl shows are more akin to Kamen Rider, Granbelm is a recent one that really invokes Kamen Rider.

Eh, my biggest issue with this mangaka has always been the disproportionate focus on side characters, so I'm really nervous about where this is heading. I hope it doesn't spend a bunch of time on his family.

I think this manga, and others, reflect a change in consciousness that is ongoing in Japan. What used to be played as subtext, or covered in symbolism (Utena), now is being faced. I think if Nanoha was remade today they wouldn't shy away from marrying Nanoha and Fate. Yagakimi got an anime and has done really well. This manga exists in the context of modern day Japan, not Europe or the US.

If it seems preachy, I think it's because we come from a place where the issues are more worked out. Not perfectly, but to a greater degree for sure. Keep in mind that same sex marriage is still not available in Japan.

Interestingly an anime that was basically the modern Nanoha just ended, you may or may not know it idk. Senki Zesshou Symphogear is an anime series with a number of similarities, and flat out inspirations, from Nanoha. It's got high tech magical girls who are genuinly badass, it also has LOADS of gay subtext. In the final episode of the show much of that gay subtext comes to a head, and all plausible deniability basically goes out the window, it's to the point that anyone denying it is absolutely full of shit. That said, there is no kiss at the end, and the show cuts off right as a confession is about to be said,but again it isn't ambiguous at all, the audience knows it is a love confession and the creators know we know, but they still didn't show it for some reason i can't quite grasp.
Anyway, I think that's pretty indicative of the weird ambiguous place a lot of lgbt representation is in Japan right now.

I'm going to be very, very kind and assume that you didn't read what I said carefully and then went into a canned rant to get "something off your chest," because the above rant has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote.

"Itou Hachi draws what she wants."

This was not an attack on anybody, pro or con. Several people have said things like:

"I'm torn between whether the author wants to teach us something or just wants to make us validate such pedophilic acts."

My point was that Itou Hachi doesn't seem to particularly care either way about things like that--her work (a lot of times) is not about "us" at all, but just about her own preferences about what she likes and likes to draw.

Maybe it would have been more precise to have said "Itou Hachi doesn't care about our feelings," but either way, your response is out of line.

Oh, fuck off, this is not the first time you've said crap like this. Do you really think I'm that stupid?

It’s very clear—Itou Hachi doesn’t care about your feelings.

Judging by things like this and the Master and Mel hentai, Itou Hachi draws what she wants.

The irony is that Itou Hachi is exceptionally good at engaging readers’ feelings. But what readers do with those various feelings is not her problem.

Or so it would seem.

Oh shut up, god damn it, y'all get way too upset about other people's opinions, nobody is under the illusion that their comments on some random ass manga sight is gonna reach the original creator. This is an open freaking comment section, there is no rule that every comment has to be praise, if someone says something you disagree with you can either politely explain why you feel differently or just keep your mouth shut. This passively aggressively, and sometimes aggressively, attacking anyone who doesn't post something 100% positive is such a waste of god damned time and energy.

Soo... Yuu and Touko definitely use that dog costume for sex. Don't they?

How can anyone think this is cute. Don't get me wrong I like this story (specifically because of the contrast of the dark implications and the light tone) but I would never describe this story as actually cute, it's quite messed up.

Am I the only one that gets seriously disturbing vibes from this series? I don't have an issue with most of Itou Hachi's onee-loli works, but this one is different somehow. Something about the scenario makes the Onee-san feel more like a straight-up pedo than the Onee-sans in other works. That extremely detailed list of highly illegal desires she lists off in Chapter 3 doesn't help her case, either.

Because this how real life predators operate. There is just no deniability with this one, the other ones often provide something to soften the blow, whereas here, she is just a straight up sexual predator.

This is what I love about this manga, their dynamic actually changes throughout, it isn't just your typical gag manga where nothing really ever changes, their more honest dynamic here is great.

Nezchan posted:

Y'all aren't owed any sort of explanation for why someone feels the way they do

Nope, but when they make a big deal in public about it, they're entitled to ask.

You mean forums are actually for discussing topics and not just dropping your opinion and bailing on the thread? Wtf.

Right--evidently the proper reply to the question, "Could you tell us why you think this is shit?" is "You're not the boss of me."

Never asked that though, jumped immediately to insults, I don't entertain ppl who insult me.

Can we just enjoy the gags and comedy and not go over pointless arguments.

Y'all are boring, the discussions (pointless arguments as you call them) are like 90% of the fun.

Sakuraboshi just ignore them, some ppl on this site get upset whenever you leave any comment other than "lol, that was great", or something else similarly void of substance.

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Y'all aren't owed any sort of explanation for why someone feels the way they do

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This manga has gone down hill.

This manga has me perpetually confuse about what is trying to say or do.

Well this is horrible

Can't even claim I have a problem with the pacing, but the entire concept feels like it's built around, "I can only speak my mind around this person." Beyond that, I totally agree with others who've said the characters are unlikable. Aoi reminds me of a door mat. I'm glad she didn't get married because her husband, even without trying to, would probably have ended up walking all over her. While Chiho comes across as just plain selfish, to the point that she takes advantage of Aoi's pliability while simultaneously complaining about it. Cute for a one-shot, but I don't care enough to come back for a second helping.

I'm just surprised you where able to pick up all that from it. The way it was written, I had no idea what was going on