There's that blanket thing again...

I just know how the average Japanese think. I'm actually have Japanese friends and have gone to Japan many times too.

Too much headcanon, too little canon.

I guess that's your way if saying you didn't pay enough attention.

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But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Logic has nothing to do with it. It's a cultural thing. Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is exclusive unless explicitly said otherwise.

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

A contract none of them took seriously. What they did take seriously was the relationship itself, which is why when Senpai asked Liz if Maki was her girlfriend, Liz didn't deny it.

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I just realized the only sex scene in this manga is the MC getting cucked. lol

Terrific job, Momono Moto. You really know what's up.

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Mmm nope. You can't just make blanket generalizations like that. "Something works generally in a certain way" ==> "That's the norm everyone must adhere to" is bad, flawed logic.

You should consider this was written from a Japanese mindset for Japanese readers. In the Western world there is a tendency to not make assumptions or generalizations about a lot of stuff, but that's a Western thing. The Japanese are not like that. Unless said otherwise, the fact that their relationship is exclusive is a given, for the readers and also for the characters themselves.

Liz seems to feel that her actions could hurt Maki, that's for sure. Doesn't mean it's a breach of contract.

There's no need for a contract. When you cheat on your girlfriend, it stands to reason you did something wrong and they're gonna be hurt if they find out. And yes, Liz consider Maki her girlfriend. In chapter 11 when Liz was looking at Maki's message on her phone and her senpai asked "is that your girlfriend?" Liz didn't deny it.

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Maki should just run away from Liz and all her bullshit. It's not worth it.

But majority of you guys keep quoting that, "she cheated! She cheated!" But I did not see at any point in the story that Liz and Maki confirm that they're in an 'exclusive relationship'

Romantic relationships are generally exclusive. That's the norm, specially in Japan. So unless there's a specific mention suggesting otherwise, I think we can safely conclude it was supposed to be exclusive. And the fact that Liz herself said "I'm the worst" further confirms that what she did was a betrayal towards Maki and she knows it.

I just hope Maki finds out so we can see some real consequence from Liz's actions. The writing has been pretty shitty lately but if Maki finds out and reacts like a normal human being, then I'll forgive it.

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With that last page, quoting "relationship between two women will never last", do you guys think that Liz is setting herself up for self sabotage? Consider she still retains some sort of trauma or belief set by her senpai back from the ol' days, in high school.

She already cheated. What else would she have to do to "self sabotage"? Unless Maki have a kink for getting cucked, Liz already ruined their relationship.

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The interesting thing is that Maki is a top, and the only time Liz showed any actual interest in her was in chapter 2 when Maki was all assertive and behaving like the top she is. Everything went downhill when she started letting Liz walk all over her.

As I said before, Liz is a sub and a masochist on top of that. Put her on a leash and show her who's boss and she'll love you forever.

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Oh for fuck's sake--if a character is shown to have recently gotten a surprise short-hair makeover that completely changed the way she looks, then in a subsequent scene she is shown back looking the way she did before without any explanation (not even a short-hair wig lying on the floor) it's beyond fatuous to say "It's a manga--it's not supposed to be hyper-realistic."

Well, I don't see anyone else having problems understanding what was going on, so....

I had the feeling before but now it's confirmed. Liz is a masochist. Treating Maki like a slave was her lousy attempt to deny her own masochistic nature, but what really gets her going is to be dominated.

after this chapter Liz probably realized that she loved her. And also that she's not a good person herself.

That's fine. What's not okay is for her to get away scot-free. Also Maki deserves better.

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I've seen plenty of wigging in theatre--Liz's hair is all the way down to her ass, that's a very high-cut short hairdo, and there's not the slightest hint of dark hair at her nape. I guess it's supposed to be a wig--but why bother with it at all if the big senpai sex scene is going to be with long-haired Liz?

Why are so hung up on that anyway? It's a manga. It doesn't have to be hyper-realistic. Besides the point of the scene was how easily influenced and manipulated Liz is. It doesn't really matter that it was wig and whatnot.

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but also with a long, dark-hair wig

You got it backwards. The short hair was a wig.

Oh, I see--one of those wigs containing a pocket dimension which can hold an infinite amount of hair without altering the shape of the head.

It's actually quite possible if your hair doesn't have too much volume.

but also with a long, dark-hair wig

You got it backwards. The short hair was a wig.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/liberty_ch02#20 It's exactly the copied pasted from chapter 12 except that unlike maki who licks her ear and gets pushed back directly, liz doesn't do it with senpai ...

Because her ear and her c*nny are for senpai's exclusive use.

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Liz feels like trash to me.

She is trash. I just hope Maki doesn't just suck it up and forgive her. Maki deserves better.

Forgive her? Does Maki even have enough spine to be angry at her in the first place?

She's not that spineless. Maki was playing along with Liz's crap because she was worry about her. If anything, Liz is the spineless one.

In any case, the worst direction this could take is Liz getting away scot-free.

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Liz feels like trash to me.

She is trash. I just hope Maki doesn't just suck it up and forgive her. Maki deserves better.

What did she even do? She fucking said no

The "dame dame" thing is not a clear sign of rejection, specially in manga. I know that probably isn't compatible with your Western sensibilities, but you've got to remember this is written by a Japanese person. There was no rape. Liz just fucked up. And she knows it hence her regret at the end.

And I will say it again, I hope Maki dumps her ass.

dame dame is one thing, but she literally said "Let me go" which is something pretty different.

And then senpai licked her ear and Liz got all wet and fully consented to go to senpai's hotel room and have sex with her. Sorry but there is NO rape.

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What did she even do? She fucking said no

The "dame dame" thing is not a clear sign of rejection, specially in manga. I know that probably isn't compatible with your Western sensibilities, but you've got to remember this is written by a Japanese person. Besides Liz ended up fully consenting after senpai leaked her ear anyway so there was no rape. Liz just fucked up. And she knows it hence her regret at the end.

And I will say it again, I hope Maki dumps her ass.

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It's really, really, really gross to me that people think this chapter at least is her fault at all.

Because it is her fault. She wasn't so drunk she didn't know what she was doing.

Anyway. I hope Maki dumps her ass. Liz doesn't deserve her.

You're still making a lot of assumptions based off very little information. She stopped going to school at some point, but she might have had a perfectly normal school life until recently. Her parents aren't around, but that also might be a recent development.

Why would the author reveal that her family and school situation isn't normal if it wasn't meant to inform her behavior? This isn't rocket science. It's standard storytelling. And it should be enough for anyone to put the pieces together and figure out what's her deal. That been said, we'll probably get that explicit explanation you want at some point, but that explanation would come out of nowhere without buildup. The pieces we're getting now is that buildup. Again, standard storytelling.

And your conclusion goes against other evidence. Ayane is dismissive of Suu, but Suu clearly thinks of her as a friend.

Suu knows her from dad who is Ayane's doctor. Clearly Suu wants to be Ayane's friend, specially since she knows Ayane is all alone and all that. But what matters here is that Ayane doesn't think of her as a friend, which along with her lack of cell phone, suggests she is far from being a socially-adept kind of person, which is informed by her complicated family situation and poor health.

Maybe you're right.

I'm pretty sure I'm right. I mean, I know it's not confirmed yet but all the clues are pointing in that direction. We'll get the confirmation soon enough.

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Your interpretation, that she's been alone for years and simply doesn't know how to interact with others, is just a guess. There's not really enough information available for us to come to that conclusion. I agree with you that she probably lives on her own, but we don't know that for certain, or when that started.

It's not an interpretation. Suu literally says she's on her own, and also that she doesn't go to school very often. Family and school are the two main sources of interpersonal interaction for a teenager, so it's pretty much a given she doesn't deal with others very often. That's a logical conclusion from what we know about her, not an interpretation.

With Suu-chan in the picture, it's clear that Ayane has some friends or acquaintances, even if she keeps them at a distance, so it's not like she's been in isolation her whole life.

Suu knows her from her dad who is Ayane's doctor. It's literally said Ayane doesn't consider her a friend. Ayane also doesn't have a cell phone, which is another indication that doesn't have any friends.

Basically, it feels like the author, either carelessly or deliberately, has created a state of affairs where Sana has an unbelievably low amount of information about someone she's known intimately for half a year, all for the sake of keeping us in the dark about Ayane's personal life.

Seems logical enough to me though. Ayane is understandably reserved when it comes to her personal life because she doesn't deal with others often. But as she opens up to Sana, she starts to reveal more things about herself. Like when she invited Sana to her house which should be covered soon.

it’s about what the author has chosen to reveal, and to not reveal, about her background and motivations.

The author revealed enough to make her behavior understandable. She lives alone and barely goes to school. It means she's had very little contact with other human beings. That's all you need to know to understand why her actions don't seem to make a lot of sense sometimes. Of course they wouldn't make sense; she's got no clue how to interact with others.

Simply moving “inside” the story to talk about her as if she were a real person doesn’t affect what the author is and, is not, doing with the characterization.

I'm specifically talking about her characterization.

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I think you all are missing the point. Ayane's strange behavior and attitude has nothing to do with her status as "mysterious" character. She just doesn't know how to deal with people. And the reason for that is simply because she lives on her own.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/her_kiss_infectious_lust_ch06#19

We don't know the details. For all we know her parents are dead. What we do know is that she lives alone and is not a recent thing. She probably has been on her own for years, so it's natural she doesn't know how to properly interact with others. Rather than being a mysterious character, she's more like a huge dork who doesn't know how to deal with others. She tries to look cool for Sana but fails miserably at it, and then she sulks like an immature little girl, because that's exactly what she really is.

Heck, even her "seductive" behavior with Micchan was probably just a massively awkward way to make friends with her rather than any actual seduction. She just doesn't know how to properly make friends. She doesn't have any after all.

This is why I like Ayane's character. This isn't just about her and Sana being a cute couple (and they are cute, don't get me wrong). This is also about Ayane learning how to interact with others. And in the latest chapters she's starting to become a little more social than she was at the beginning.

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So their friendship may not have been so special? Is that what this chapter's implying? Even so, can't wait to get some Tsugumi backstory

I doubt that. It seems like it was kind of secret or rather unnoticeable bestfriend(or more who knows) kind of relationship, especially with how timid Midori is.

Midori herself has said multiple times her relationship with Tsugumi was rather one-sided. She knew that she wasn't special to Tsugumi. So what the nurse is saying actually makes sense. If anything, I'm not sure where Haru got the idea Midori and her mother were close. No one ever said they were.

This is not true because Midori was silent and tsugumi systematically made the first step to talk... Moreover it was found in the adult tsugumi smartphone the number of Midori she had kept while there was no one else…

As the nurse said, Tsugumi got along with everyone. She was outgoing. There was nothing rare about her talking to a quiet introverted girl. It doesn't mean they were close. Midori herself doesn't think they were close either.

I do wonder why Tsugumi kept her phone. Maybe Midori made a stronger impression in her than she thinks. Either way, I don't think they were close.

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