Kodama is the Lesbian Manga Jesus

There are many more varieties of oranges than that, including hybrids, with highly variable ease of peeling.

Where I'm from, citrus is grown year 'round, but even where citrus is not local, an orange is an incredibly common snack to pack in a school kid's lunch.

EDIT: Seriously, I have an orange tree and a tangerine tree in my backyard.

I just want to pitch in on the discussion about oranges by saying you are so lucky. Where I am from, Spring weather was a mirage until literally 2 weeks ago. I would love to have orange trees on my backyard. I don’t even have a backyard, because condo life ;__;

But it’s ok, because we got JURASSIC PARK! :D
(only Canadians will understand lol)

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Hm, the last volume's special is still not uploaded.... You can only deny this site the Midori x Manaka goodness for so long!

I am not saying my option is better: I am giving the reasoning behind my option. BugDevil has her reasoning too for her options, which she usually provides. It’s too bad she also tends to throw personal attacks along with it, but I am used to it so I tend to ignore :P You gotta take the good with the bad I guess lol

If there ever was a case of the pot calling the kettle black... You always insult many people indirectly (or sometimes actually very directly). You don't get to complain about my observations that aren't even personal attacks yet.

If everyone is making the same observations about you, perhaps it is actually you and not me, ever thought about that?

I have thought about that. I am always very careful to not throw ad hominem attacks at people, and instead discuss ideas. Note that saying I think action X is lack of self-respect, for example, is NOT a personal attack on others. I am not pointing to a specific person and saying “and therefore YOU lack self-respect”. There is a boundary between criticism of an idea and criticism of a person. If we start not having that boundary then nothing can be discussed, because everyone will always be offended and take stuff personally.

When someone then goes back to me and says “because you have idea X, you must be a person with a life or personality like Y”, then yes that’s a personal attack. Even then I don’t recall ever throwing a personal attack back, I only point out the person is doing that. Exception being against some very deranged trolls, but not on this thread.

Anyways. Waiting on next chapter, hope Sayaka has a satisfactory ending better than sucking it up till high school is over.

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In any case, things are getting a bit too personal (again), so if we could tone things down a bit that'd be great.

I have no idea what it is about Bloom Into You that attracts so much of this sort of thing.

My guess is that it’s because there is nothing about the story development itself to talk about, since it’s solid and predictable at the same time.

^ Seconded! Thank you so much for your translations, WDTFS is amazing and so are you! :DDD

matsuri_wins posted:

Wait what? Lol I accept that both options are valid.

And yet you adamantly argue your option is the only one right, valid and respectful one?

Nope. I am giving reasons for my opinion, including why I think cutting people off when you get rejected, until you are over them, is respectful. Because it restores a balance of power and intentions between you and the other person. But it doesn’t mean it’s what’s right for everyone, and I commented that I wish Sayaka did this lol Idk why the outrage.

matsuri_wins posted:

So I'd never stick around to see the girl I'm into being all lovey dovey with someone else... At least for me it's a matter of self-respect lol Which is apparently what Sayaka lacks, since she is going to keep being friends with Touko despite crushing on the girl for what seems like years.

matsuri_wins posted:

If you had a genuine friendship with someone before you ever liked them, I understand sticking around out of fear of losing that precious feeling, though I still wouldn't recommend; because let's face it, there is plenty of people out there to be purely platonic friends with.

Your posts are full of statements like that, clearly panting the "ditch someone you supposedly care about and find someone else to replace them" as the only real solution and anything else is just not caring about your well-being and self-respect. So yea. At no point you agreed other option is valid, but you personally disagree with it. You were constantly saying your option is better and Sayaka is stupid for not choosing it.

I am not saying my option is better: I am giving the reasoning behind my option. BugDevil has her reasoning too for her options, which she usually provides. It’s too bad she also tends to throw personal attacks along with it, but I am used to it so I tend to ignore :P You gotta take the good with the bad I guess lol

matsuri_wins posted:

Of course it doesn’t meant that every time, but is usually associated with being an orbiter and taking longer to get over that person. The person usually values you less also, because they think you are doing stuff because you like them.

Well. Sounds like you either have really poor understanding of how friendship works or all relationships you were in, were really shallow. Either way, no, that's not how it's. Or I guess it doesn't always happen. It's not like once you confess and get rejected, people automatically think everything you do is out of love or value you less because of it.

And I never said anything like it’s black and white. That’s why I use words like “likely”, “usually” etc. I think you could argue that it doesn’t happen MOST of the time. Yet I would still say it does almost every time on some level, both the suspicion from the unrequiting that the unrequited is doing stuff out of romantic feelings and at least small-degree devaluation. It’s just hard to admit, because we are all kind of idealistic about it. Yet acknowledging that we do these things is helpful, so that we don’t do them while pretending we don’t because “I am such a good person”.

In any case, this grew out of proportion to a simple comment about Sayaka being too understanding. Back to on-topic discussions.

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Is Won the first name or last name? Lol awkward if this person is also named Won.

Lol no way. Seju from WDTFS is the best 3rd wheel of any love triangle I have seen by far. You simply cannot beat being such a good 3rd wheel that at least half the readership is cheering for you despite impossible odds, starts believing that the advertised plot twist is that you are actually the main character and then you get your own story

Most doomed yes, Sayaka wins.

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Guess we'll just have wait and see the next chapter which should be released on the 16th. I do agree it's a strange choice to hire an ex-swimmer athlete to be Seju's bodyguard. I mean, you would think with their wealth and influence, the Chairman or Saehyun could have easily found a proper one who has the training and experience. Hell, if they were that concerned about her safety, why not just simply hire a whole team to watch over her?

I am like 99.9% sure Won told Seju a partial truth: yes she was a swimmer when in school, but then she became a professional body guard or assassin. I mean, she is super tall, super strong and has the poker face and super polite neutral personality for this type of job.

So if I understand this right. Chairman Baek's original plan after his death was to have Seju hiding away in that villa in Jeju with Sumin acting as her emotional support and Wonnie watching out for her since he fears his sons would still come after her despite leaving her with no inheritance?

Hmm, not sure if this is really the best solution. If he really wanted to protect her forever from those asshole brothers, perhaps he should have pulled off a Red Wedding style assassination upon them or fake his daughter's death and have her identity changed, even brainwashed her so she can't remember her former life. It seems wishful thinking that the family would let go of their grudge towards her eventually, so she can return to Seoul one day in peace. Of course, I could be jumping to conclusion early and there actually was more to his plan.

I think Red Wedding and stuff like that would be bad advertising for the Baek family. The Baek Chairman was always shown to care for Seju...but only to an extent.

It’s possible he suggested Jeju as a compromise between his original desire of sending Seju abroad and keeping her close enough to Seoul so that she wouldn’t freak out about being too far away from Sumin, or at least have a reason to separate her from Sumin and make her finally leave, which is to go visit the place where her mom used to live and where she had good memories with Sumin when they were young.

Saehyun is certainly a pretty interesting character. Out of all the despicable brothers in the Baek family, his the only one that doesn't appear to bear a grudge towards Seju's existence and has assisted her when needed. I believe it was mentioned before from the author that Ahn Chahee used to take care of him when he was young and he sees in her a motherly figure? Perhaps he promised Ahn Chahee to look after her child.

Yeah I don’t think he was Ahn Chahee’s lover, it’s too awkward even for WDTFS standards lol

He probably just cares for Seju by proxy. Honestly what baffles me about the Baek family is that in comparison Seju is actually pretty mentally healthy. That’s a weird thing to say but my impression is that if she hadn’t been raised in such a family she would have been a softie. She is literally the villain that didn’t manage to do anything bad to and made the supposed hero (Sumin) look bad instead LOL I mean there is still readers that wanted a SungjixSeju ending and can’t say I would have been opposed to it.

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Lol who the hell is Won Wuri? Wasn’t that just a joke from the translators?

Also Saehyun is the most underrated character in this series. He is always supporting Seju while at the same time was totally ok with torturing Sumin. He and Seju treat each other coldly but at the same time seem to have a mutual understanding.

It’s very interesting to me at least, I know the series focuses on the women but I would like to know more about him.

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She may not be an assassin outright but she must at least be a professional body guard. The Baek family is filthy rich, why would they hire a swimmer rather than a professional to protect Seju?

Whatever, you always take things too seriously lol

Besides you already know I have an issue with every single character in this series being an angel always doing the right thing from start to end of the story. For me it’s not exciting or relatable, and makes for a less interesting story because the “everything will be alright, everyone will be kind, smooth sailing ahead” is so guaranteed.

Like this manga is famous only because the other ones are so bad structurally that they make an absolutely predictable vanilla story look great just out of not having gaping plot holes or unexplainable personality changes midway through it.

Again only my opinion :P I will stop now.

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If there ever was a YMMV situation . . .

As most of the time, I have to fight tooth and nail for people to just accept that both options are real and fine. Inadvertently, that makes it look like I take one side, but I'm merely arguing for one side, because the other only accepts their own.

Wait what? Lol I accept that both options are valid. As usual, just because I have an opinion that you find controversial and mentioned it, you feel like I am saying your opinion is less valid.

Providing an opinion that opposes yours is not the same as saying yours is not ok. It just means I don’t agree with it.

I mean no shit sometimes people need to take some distance, but there is no loss of self-respect if you don't...

Of course it doesn’t meant that every time, but is usually associated with being an orbiter and taking longer to get over that person. The person usually values you less also, because they think you are doing stuff because you like them. Are you telling me you never seen these things happen? When I was in school and university it was so regular.

People still can maintain a close friendship even after they decide to break up their romantic relationship.

It's not exactly about respect for one self or the other party, but more like emotion maturity. They understand certain type of relationship cannot work out but they are still willing to support each other in other means.

I know a gay man who broke of with his wife to pursuit his "true feeling" and marrying a another man.

This is actually pretty different. In this case, the guy is literally saying he prefers another gender, it’s a criteria the woman simply cannot meet so in a sense it’s not a status threat. She will feel the loss of her partner but not a status loss. But I can assure you if he traded her for another woman, especially if it’s a younger one, things usually get nasty unless it’s dealt with by the trader with extreme tact. Even then it’s difficult. BTW this is assuming it was not a mutual breakup. If it’s mutual then all is good of course.

I even saw a high school couple constantly making out during their fresh man year. They went through some nasty break up during sophomore year. By their senior year, the dude had a new girl, and the girl surprisingly got a girlfriend as well. But those two began to talk to each other again, they weren't acting as besties but they crack jokes now and then like old acquaintances.

Which is exactly what I said...distance yourself then go back to being friends once you no longer see that person as a potential romantic partner.

In drama, jealousy and betrayal in romantic relationship are good contents to hook their audiences but that does not reflect reality. It is quite overused to a point that those two feelings are the only and ultimate result of a relationship gone one sided. In reality, we don't have the luxury for those emotions. Of course the feeling betrayal and jealousy are real and there are definitely many who have to suffer through that, but that is not the only outcome we have to accept.

I think I appreciate this series for not using the jealousy card like so many other romance. It is short of fresh and show the emotion maturity of all side: Yuu slowly understand the reality of love, Nanami's own personal growth thanks to her romantic feeling, and Sayaka despite nothing went the way she wanted, she acquire certain fortitude to stand against and accept the bitterness of love.

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If you had a genuine friendship with someone before you ever liked them, I understand sticking around out of fear of losing that precious feeling, though I still wouldn't recommend; because let's face it, there is plenty of people out there to be purely platonic friends with.

But in Sayaka's case, she got close to Touko because she found her attractive, and pretty much had a case of love at first sight. Her friendship is the typical "friendzone" case, where she got close to a girl in hopes of becoming something more and never did. She gotta cut her losses, but in this manga everyone is stereotypical "nice girl" so it won't happen of course.

At least in my view, if you abandon someone you love romantically after they rejected you, it's not selfish desire; it's very healthy self-love and self-respect. It's also just being genuine and pragmatic about your intentions, which also shows respect for the other person. They clearly don't need you in their life as a romantic partner, they picked someone else. So, in this case, the cure for unrequited love is to not be around that person anymore until you are completely over them, and can have the same type of feeling for them as they have for you. Otherwise, there is an imbalance of power and the friendship is kinda fake.

I myself wouldn't want to be friends with someone who has lingering romantic feelings for me, it's uncomfortable. But a lot of girls looove orbiters lmao

What a dismissive and callous attitude you have... Friends sure are replacable! Plenty of people around!
Come on.

I didn’t say friends are replaceable, they are not because each person is unique. I said there are plenty of people around to be friends with. A scarcity mindset, where you are like “omg I am close friends with this one girl who I have a crush on, so let me keep being friends with her even though I still have a crush but now she rejected me, and watch as she is all happy with her new gf because I can’t make a new close friend” is not healthy.

Your definition of "nice girl" just makes me think that you only hang out with assholes. There are no losses to cut. She gained a close friend, even if it will never be more. Touko doesn't only exist to be Sayaka's love interest.

Of course she doesn’t. But the reality is that Touko is Sayaka’s love interest. Sayaka is not a real platonic friend if her feelings are romantic, and to make it worse, they have always been. There is an imbalance in power and desires, which is why I said, it’s better in such cases, IMHO, to just cut it out and return to the friendship once it is purely platonic, to start over. Being around an unrequited crush is like being around an ex that dumped you while you still like them: it only makes getting over it a longer process.

No, nothing about that is respectful to the other person. It just shows that they didn't actually care. "You won't be mine, well fuck you then. Our friendship is over." It's honest alright, but it only shows what a shitty person they are.
Not everyone has this insane trouble to get over the fact that they were rejected. Maybe you in particular just have issues to let go and need distance, but it would be best not to extrapolate that everyone is like that. Even worse that you base self-respect on it....

A lot of people do, especially if it’s a long intense crush as seems to be Sayaka’s case. If it wasn’t a big deal for her, she would have confessed early on rather than being super afraid.

It's good that you realize that this is all you. Because it sure ain't relevant to Sayaka.

I was just being honest. I bet most people say these things, that they are "happy for the other person" after being rejected and the girl they like chose someone else, but it's just rationalization. The person considered you unfit for being with them, and thinks someone else is better. The message is clear, that you are not good enough for them, which is why it hurts usually.

So I'd never stick around to see the girl I'm into being all lovey dovey with someone else...At least for me it's a matter of self-respect lol Which is apparently what Sayaka lacks, since she is going to keep being friends with Touko despite crushing on the girl for what seems like years.

Only after I don't care anymore and have someone else, would I then become friends again. If I was Sayaka I would submit my StuCo resignation next day and ghost from the "friendship" :P But Bloom Into You is so extremely PC, obviously that won't happen.

You have a curious idea of self respect if you would abandon your social and academic responsibilities because a crush let you down gently and hurt your feelings. I'd describe that less as self respect and more as self-centeredness.

I understood Sayaka was in the StuCo in order to be close to Touko. We didn’t have that in my high school so I didn’t know it was important academically lol so obviously if it important academically or is something you genuinely care about (rather than something you do deep down in order to be around your crush) then by all means keep at it. It was just an example.

If you had a genuine friendship with someone before you ever liked them, I understand sticking around out of fear of losing that precious feeling, though I still wouldn't recommend; because let's face it, there is plenty of people out there to be purely platonic friends with.

But in Sayaka's case, she got close to Touko because she found her attractive, and pretty much had a case of love at first sight. Her friendship is the typical "friendzone" case, where she got close to a girl in hopes of becoming something more and never did. She gotta cut her losses, but in this manga everyone is stereotypical "nice girl" so it won't happen of course.

At least in my view, if you abandon someone you love romantically after they rejected you, it's not selfish desire; it's very healthy self-love and self-respect. It's also just being genuine and pragmatic about your intentions, which also shows respect for the other person. They clearly don't need you in their life as a romantic partner, they picked someone else. So, in this case, the cure for unrequited love is to not be around that person anymore until you are completely over them, and can have the same type of feeling for them as they have for you. Otherwise, there is an imbalance of power and the friendship is kinda fake.

I myself wouldn't want to be friends with someone who has lingering romantic feelings for me, it's uncomfortable. But a lot of girls looove orbiters lmao

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Yuu is basically constantly in denial about her feelings and says harsh things to push Touko away despite not actually wanting to... Pretty tsundere.
Now whether that tsundereness is forced on her or actually an aspect of her personality that rarely comes out, who knows?

But sometimes a relationship ends because you've been actually wronged, which makes it a lot harder to be magnanimous, so I'm not gonna get judgey when somebody says they don't want their ex to be happy. ;p

Of course that's a little different from a straight up rejection. Breaking up means you were already together and that rarely ever ends pretty.
What bothers me is the "That could have been me! I am way better than her!" shit. Accept your loved ones choices. Unless they are truly detrimental to her health or future.

I was just being honest. I bet most people say these things, that they are "happy for the other person" after being rejected and the girl they like chose someone else, but it's just rationalization. The person considered you unfit for being with them, and thinks someone else is better. The message is clear, that you are not good enough for them, which is why it hurts usually.

So I'd never stick around to see the girl I'm into being all lovey dovey with someone else...At least for me it's a matter of self-respect lol Which is apparently what Sayaka lacks, since she is going to keep being friends with Touko despite crushing on the girl for what seems like years.

Only after I don't care anymore and have someone else, would I then become friends again. If I was Sayaka I would submit my StuCo resignation next day and ghost from the "friendship" :P But Bloom Into You is so extremely PC, obviously that won't happen.

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And yes it does look like this will be a whole season if they are complicating the plot this much. Which I'm happy with. Like, I don't care about Nammi for example, or St. Sungji for that matter, and don't need more stories about them. Back to paying Tappytoon lol

There is a market out there for toned girls lol work out hard and you will see!

Dowon has broad shoulders because she is physically active and it's probably true that she was a swimmer before turning into...well, whatever she is now, probably a body guard for rich people. So it makes sense. Upper body workouts will make your shoulders broad, it's not specific about swimming.

I am stoked!!! God damnit Team GJ. Won's sexiness just increased big time in my eyes.Peace out Sumin lol

Holy f I am eating my words! Looks like there is a plot after all LOL. Dowon is probably an assassin or professional body guard. I legit didn't see that one coming.

Finally read the chapter, pretty late in the game. I honestly think it was adorable and well-delivered. Reminds me of when my I got together with my 1st gf, their behaviour is very realistic just after a mutual confession :-)

Sayaka is a bit too understanding for her own good. Maybe I am a little a-hole after all, but I never had a case where I lost the girl to someone else and honestly wished all goes well between them lmao

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Ya Mei is just dead for me. There is no way she can go back to being a badass now. She went from kuudere to just...lamedere

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