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Never heard of this pairing.
Not complaining though.
ImheretoDie
Jun 9, 2025 11:18PM
Why is this under Yuri when every other Mizuki pairing isn't?
Perlen297
Jun 9, 2025 11:26PM
^ They can be rather really inconsistent when it comes to tagging posts with Mizuki. At least they committed to tagging MizuEna ones with NB + trans recently.
Though I do welcome adding the Yuri tag because the evidence points to Mizuki being transfem way a lot more especially after Mizu5. While not the case with NB tag, DS does tag Yuri with Transgender so why not I guess. But it's their call.
last edited at Jun 9, 2025 11:26PM
FluffyCow
Jun 10, 2025 12:01AM
I've seen people that identify as non-binary and lesbian, and there's many ways to identify
Aureole
Jun 10, 2025 2:11AM
It's kinda messy because canonly speaking Mizuki never identified their gender clearly. It is heavily implied that they are either transfem or trans + non-binary but nothing is given explicitly. Sega is probably playing it vague, and I don't really like it.
eromancer
Jun 10, 2025 5:53AM
I think it's fairly obvious that this person presents as feminine. Therefore if they are trans then they're a transgendered woman, so I don't see the problem with a Yuri tag. It's what consumers of Yuri broadly expect (for the most part).
EDIT: My bad on comments inappropriate for this space. @FluffyCow: I've seen that too, but that's the problem with trying to accomodate everyone's peculiar identification. Words lose their meanings and there becomes no objective way to adjudicate questions like, in this case, what kind of tags are appropriate.
Don't get me wrong; to each their own, and I'm not going to bother anyone about their identification. But there's only so much one can reasonably expect in terms of inclusiveness in the context of gendered things like "Yuri" if people are being intentionally vague about their gender.
For example, I've heard of an all-girl's school that accepts transgendered women but not NB; it's hard to blame them. For another, I could say I identify as a male but my pronouns are 'she/her'. I think most people would roll their eyes, as well they should, because that combo makes no sense. Arguably neither does "NB lesbian", since "lesbian" is a gendered term.
Point being, I think what's important here is the external presentation, not the character's stated identification, which may have little objective coherence or meaning.
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skelly85
Jun 13, 2025 3:10PM
AiriMizu! One of my favorite non-group ships and I think Airi should get to fight some of Mizuki's bullies
^ I very much dislike this talk of invalidating NB lesbians of their identity. This is a mighty slippery slope you paint, where words lose their meaning at the mere suggestion of changing them to become more inclusive and that the acceptance of NB lesbians making lesbian as an identity lose its meaning... Which has not actually panned out, given that I've seen this discourse held in many lesbian communities plenty of times in the past couple of years and many of them have simply broadened the definition of lesbian to include non-binary folk, moved over to using sapphic as a label, or changed lesbian to be term regarding gender identity itself. So there is place to discuss changing a words meaning, without the word losing all meaning itself. Words have never been static in their meaning, which is apparent looking at the etymology of any language.
I would also like to point out that dynasty's tagging system is by no means objective. How many times have there been discussions in the comments on whether a series warrants the yuri tag or subtext tag? Just look at the comment section of Nettaigyo wa Yuki ni Kogareru, Miss Sunflower, or Liar Satsuki Can See Death. Two of which ended with the main protagonist in a roommate situationship, yet one series has a yuri on it and one has subtext. I would personally classify all of these series as yuri, but given there is no clear divide of the tags given dynasty's system it fell on I assume the dynasty folk to decide. However there is still value in the subtext tag for many readers, but it isn't as if it has some objective meaning across readers. I don't think think a reader should expect this from a tagging system because there can't be a black and white divide between tags in all cases.
For another, I could say I identify as a male but my pronouns are 'she/her'. I think most people would roll their eyes, as well they should, because that combo makes no sense.
There are many drag queens that do identify as men but also use she/her pronouns and not because the combo makes no sense. However the dissonance and fear drag creates for certain folk does seem to contribute to why many states in the US are wrongly attempting to restrict and ban drag.
I also really don't like arguing why identity matters, especially on a Mizuki post. Given that it seems you are unfamiliar with Project Sekai I will just say that your statements on the importance of identity are also antithetical to the story the Project Sekai writers have written regarding Mizuki's story. So the metric you pose for tagging seems increasingly bad when (thankfully) dynasty seems to normally take in creator intentions into their tagging decisions.
I appreciate the dynasty folk tagging all the MizuEna posts with trans and non-binary. I would personally also welcome the yuri tag for the rest of the Mizuki posts here. Especially since Mizuki is a magical girl girlie, which is clearly one of yuri-est of genres lol. But I do think this is up to the dynasty folk, especially given the current vagueness of Mizuki's gender identity in-game.
ImheretoDie
Jun 13, 2025 8:49PM
^
eromancer
Jun 15, 2025 4:48AM
@skelly85: EDIT: I've shortened this in response to criticism.
I want to be clear--I am not in any way trying to discriminate against non-binary people, and as I stated originally, I agree with the use of the yuri tag here. I'm not arguing against that. Yes, I'm unfamiliar with Project Sekai, but it doesn't matter because in this case I have no issue with the idea of the "NB lesbian".
What I am saying is that, in general, I don't think it should be a case of what the author intends--as many people here seem to suggest--but the way it would seem to the average person. Because the whole point of tags is so that readers can search for what they want to read, not so that someone's identity can be validated. That's why it's necessary to have somewhat objective definitions of these terms. No, it's not always black and white; it's never going to be perfect, and there will always be edge cases, but the general understanding of yuri is that it codes feminine, and that's what, in my opinion, really matters.
As I also said, I'm not going to tell anyone what their identity ought to be, even if certain identities seem rather paradoxical to me. The point is that, and I would think you'd agree, few people would be OK with calling this yuri if the character didn't clearly code as feminine. As you know there are plenty of people who call themselves non-binary who nonetheless very much code male, and people probably wouldn't want that sort of thing listed as yuri -- just like someone wouldn't consider someone like me, a regular man who is not a drag queen but who decided for some reason I wanted to use the pronouns she/he, to be in any way someone who could assume labels like "lesbian".
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Lariria
Jun 15, 2025 7:25AM
Why are you, a cis man, posting walls of text about enby people?
For fuck's sakes, can't even go to the Queer Manga Site without some cis fuck discriminating against me.
last edited at Jun 15, 2025 7:25AM
ImheretoDie
Jun 15, 2025 11:57PM
^^ Man, what the fuck is all that? At least shorten your argument. Nobody's reading that.
eromancer
Jun 16, 2025 2:02AM
^^ Look, I was engaged by someone, and I responded. I am not a "cis fuck" and I did not "discriminate against you". I'm talking about tags, and I explicitly said I supported the yuri tag in this case because the character codes feminine.
I don't know you; if you are NB I can understand if you felt the tone of my post was antagonistic because I said that "NB lesbian arguably doesn't make sense". I apologize if you felt insulted by that, but that was honestly not my intention. My question/confusion is genuine, and if you don't want to take the time to answer that's fine, but calling me a "cis fuck" is really over the line.
^ Fine, I'll shorten it. It came out longer than I expected, but I was responding to a fairly long argument myself.
last edited at Jun 16, 2025 2:19AM
Lariria
Jun 16, 2025 2:10AM
Bro I read your final paragraph like five times and it's just "Look, I don't want you to call me a bigot and I refuse to understand complex gender dynamics because I'm a cis asshole so I'm gonna try and phrase this like I'm talking about other peoples' opinions and not my own."
Like, we've all been alivefor a while here. Just be fuckin' honest, my guy.
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eromancer
Jun 16, 2025 2:53AM
^ Jesus, does this thing notify some people when a comment is made? I barely had a chance to make one revision to my post.
Next, call me a "fuck" or an "asshole" one more time, and I'll report you to the mods. Do not tell me that I am a "bigot" because you don't know me. What, you think I'm cool with gay people, trans people, but I just hate NBs?
Also, I am honest. There is nothing more infuriating than being psychoanalyzed by someone who won't take your statements at face value, and who can't have a reasonable discussion without calling people names. My original post made it clear that I didn't have a problem with the yuri tag because the character coded as feminine. And I meant it.
As I said in my previous edit, in case you didn't see it, I apologize if you felt I was being antagonistic toward you. I only pointed out the "NB lesbian" issue because this is supposed to be a yuri site, and it is understandable that some people might not consider "NB" yuri.
As far as what I think about NB people, I admit I don't completely understand it. If you'd like to clear something up, rather than just calling it "complex gender dynamics", feel free. I imagine you'll balk at that, in which case I'll ask that you simply speak respectfully. I understand if you've had bad experiences online before and I'm honesly not trying to antagonize.
But when I tell you about what other people think, it's because it's the truth. I've engaged a lot of people on this issue, respectfully, and I expect the same in return. Like skelly85 did. That's how people expect to be talked to on this site, not to simply toss around flippant insults.
MrEngenious
Jun 16, 2025 3:22AM
Hello, Dynasty is run by only a handful of staff and now a bunch of regular uploaders, so tags will be inconsistent a lot of times but we do try to correct them when we find it and as time moves on and things change. Images are mostly staff-side with Dpf at the helm. yuri and subtext will continue to be a hot debate for years to come and as more uploaders are granted privilege they may have their own ideas, staff will still be around to try to shape the final result in the manner we deem appropriate.
As for this, I'm not the uploader of the image nor was I the one to tag it yuri or not for the other Mizuki pairings.
Tagging on Dynasty is to mainly help with searching. It's not to help provide anyone in real life with labels. You'll have NB people calling themselves lesbian/gay and others who will not label themselves as such. There is no hard definition as everyone has their own circumstances. In the end here we have to settle on something for the tags and we strive to have it make sense for the communities involved and to also help with searching of course.
@eromancer Look man, perhaps in your confusion you're not realizing it, but the manner of writing you wrote your initial posts came off not as confusion but as with some authority. Perhaps you meant it, perhaps you didn't. I'm going to tell you that I was irked all the same. If you intend on engaging for the intent of clarification or further context, I would say you should ask a question rather than providing further statements. This is why you were called being a "cis fuck" which, while of course rude and something we don't want to be proliferating on here too much either, was something you walked into without knowing by appearing to be another cishet guy in the world trying to talk in place of the minorities (I am also cishet, if that means anything).
Also as a side note yes, there are going to be people who embrace certain minority groups and exclude others with prejudice, even if they are also part of an endangered minority group themselves. It's an unfortunate fact of the world we live in.
@Perlen297 @skelly85 I'm not a Project Sekai follower so I'm going to take your words, as well as what is available in their wiki and such from my searches, as reason to look back at the other Mizuki pairings to tag with yuri.
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eromancer
Jun 16, 2025 3:54AM
@eromancer Look man, perhaps in your confusion you're not realizing it, but the manner of writing you wrote your initial posts came off not as confusion but as with some authority. Perhaps you meant it, perhaps you didn't. I'm going to tell you that I was irked all the same. If you intend on engaging for the intent of clarification or further context, I would say you should ask a question rather than providing further statements.
Yeah, I'm starting to realize this. That's just the way I talk, but I guess I need to change it up in this context. I appreciate the constructive criticism.
Also as a side note yes, there are going to be people who embrace certain minority groups and exclude others with prejudice, even if they are also part of an endangered minority group themselves. It's an unfortunate fact of the world we live in.
Yes, that's true--you've got the TERFs and all that. But I wanted to emphasize that it isn't always mean-spirited--one person's inclusion is another person's appropriation. It's something I've noticed as I've wrestled with the frought notion of identity. As progressives we all want to be inclusive, but identities are exclusive by nature (based on mutual life experience), and some groups are very keen to guard them, in some cases understandably, and the terminology around them.
And yeah, I'm mostly an outside observer, because I have relatively few identities and I don't really care much to identify with others based on them. I certainly don't purport to speak for anyone; I only talk about what I observe.
Lariria
Jun 16, 2025 2:56PM
Dropping the snotty tone. I am an enby who is feminine and has primarily dated women and enbies who are feminine. eromancer, the stuff you were saying was justifying cis lesbians discriminating against people like me. You may not realize it, but that was absolutely the case. Or, you're being disingenuous. I don't know, and I don't care.
Either way, you said some hateful shit, whether it be by accident or on purpose it does not matter. To quote David Lynch: Fix Your Heart.
Finally, stay out of queer peoples' business when you are not queer yourself. Your opinion don't matter on the subject.
last edited at Jun 16, 2025 2:57PM
eromancer
Jun 16, 2025 7:59PM
^ For what it's worth, I sincerely apologize. I realize this is a safe space, and I messed with that. Really, I regret it; I got angry and defensive. I don't have hate for you in my heart. I get intellectual about things and expect my rational tone will prevent anyone from getting offended; I know it's a problem of mine.
You're right, I said things I shouldn't have. I know how nasty TERF lesbians can be; I should've known better. I tend to draw a distinction between "discrimination" and identity/terminology policing, but I suppose in practice there's not much difference.
Anyway, think what you will of me, but I hope I didn't hurt or upset you too much.
Aureole Jun 9, 2025 9:37PM
?
Never heard of this pairing.
Not complaining though.
ImheretoDie Jun 9, 2025 11:18PM
Why is this under Yuri when every other Mizuki pairing isn't?
Perlen297 Jun 9, 2025 11:26PM
^ They can be rather really inconsistent when it comes to tagging posts with Mizuki. At least they committed to tagging MizuEna ones with NB + trans recently.
Though I do welcome adding the Yuri tag because the evidence points to Mizuki being transfem way a lot more especially after Mizu5. While not the case with NB tag, DS does tag Yuri with Transgender so why not I guess. But it's their call.
last edited at Jun 9, 2025 11:26PM
FluffyCow Jun 10, 2025 12:01AM
I've seen people that identify as non-binary and lesbian, and there's many ways to identify
Aureole Jun 10, 2025 2:11AM
It's kinda messy because canonly speaking Mizuki never identified their gender clearly. It is heavily implied that they are either transfem or trans + non-binary but nothing is given explicitly. Sega is probably playing it vague, and I don't really like it.
eromancer Jun 10, 2025 5:53AM
I think it's fairly obvious that this person presents as feminine. Therefore if they are trans then they're a transgendered woman, so I don't see the problem with a
Yuritag. It's what consumers of Yuri broadly expect (for the most part).EDIT: My bad on comments inappropriate for this space.
@FluffyCow: I've seen that too, but that's the problem with trying to accomodate everyone's peculiar identification. Words lose their meanings and there becomes no objective way to adjudicate questions like, in this case, what kind of tags are appropriate.Don't get me wrong; to each their own, and I'm not going to bother anyone about their identification. But there's only so much one can reasonably expect in terms of inclusiveness in the context of gendered things like "Yuri" if people are being intentionally vague about their gender.For example, I've heard of an all-girl's school that accepts transgendered women but not NB; it's hard to blame them. For another, I could say I identify as a male but my pronouns are 'she/her'. I think most people would roll their eyes, as well they should, because that combo makes no sense. Arguably neither does "NB lesbian", since "lesbian" is a gendered term.Point being, I think what's important here is the external presentation, not the character's stated identification, which may have little objective coherence or meaning.last edited at Jun 16, 2025 10:54PM
skelly85 Jun 13, 2025 3:10PM
AiriMizu! One of my favorite non-group ships and I think Airi should get to fight some of Mizuki's bullies
^ I very much dislike this talk of invalidating NB lesbians of their identity. This is a mighty slippery slope you paint, where words lose their meaning at the mere suggestion of changing them to become more inclusive and that the acceptance of NB lesbians making lesbian as an identity lose its meaning... Which has not actually panned out, given that I've seen this discourse held in many lesbian communities plenty of times in the past couple of years and many of them have simply broadened the definition of lesbian to include non-binary folk, moved over to using sapphic as a label, or changed lesbian to be term regarding gender identity itself. So there is place to discuss changing a words meaning, without the word losing all meaning itself. Words have never been static in their meaning, which is apparent looking at the etymology of any language.
I would also like to point out that dynasty's tagging system is by no means objective. How many times have there been discussions in the comments on whether a series warrants the
yuritag orsubtexttag? Just look at the comment section of Nettaigyo wa Yuki ni Kogareru, Miss Sunflower, or Liar Satsuki Can See Death. Two of which ended with the main protagonist in a roommate situationship, yet one series has ayurion it and one hassubtext. I would personally classify all of these series as yuri, but given there is no clear divide of the tags given dynasty's system it fell on I assume the dynasty folk to decide. However there is still value in thesubtexttag for many readers, but it isn't as if it has some objective meaning across readers. I don't think think a reader should expect this from a tagging system because there can't be a black and white divide between tags in all cases.There are many drag queens that do identify as men but also use she/her pronouns and not because the combo makes no sense. However the dissonance and fear drag creates for certain folk does seem to contribute to why many states in the US are wrongly attempting to restrict and ban drag.
I also really don't like arguing why identity matters, especially on a Mizuki post. Given that it seems you are unfamiliar with Project Sekai I will just say that your statements on the importance of identity are also antithetical to the story the Project Sekai writers have written regarding Mizuki's story. So the metric you pose for tagging seems increasingly bad when (thankfully) dynasty seems to normally take in creator intentions into their tagging decisions.
I appreciate the dynasty folk tagging all the MizuEna posts with
transandnon-binary. I would personally also welcome theyuritag for the rest of the Mizuki posts here. Especially since Mizuki is a magical girl girlie, which is clearly one of yuri-est of genres lol. But I do think this is up to the dynasty folk, especially given the current vagueness of Mizuki's gender identity in-game.ImheretoDie Jun 13, 2025 8:49PM
^
eromancer Jun 15, 2025 4:48AM
@skelly85: EDIT: I've shortened this in response to criticism.
I want to be clear--I am not in any way trying to discriminate against non-binary people, and as I stated originally, I agree with the use of the
yuritag here. I'm not arguing against that. Yes, I'm unfamiliar with Project Sekai, but it doesn't matter because in this case I have no issue with the idea of the "NB lesbian".What I am saying is that, in general, I don't think it should be a case of what the author intends--as many people here seem to suggest--but the way it would seem to the average person. Because the whole point of tags is so that readers can search for what they want to read, not so that someone's identity can be validated. That's why it's necessary to have somewhat objective definitions of these terms. No, it's not always black and white; it's never going to be perfect, and there will always be edge cases, but the general understanding of
yuriis that it codes feminine, and that's what, in my opinion, really matters.As I also said, I'm not going to tell anyone what their identity ought to be, even if certain identities seem rather paradoxical to me. The point is that, and I would think you'd agree, few people would be OK with calling this
yuriif the character didn't clearly code as feminine. As you know there are plenty of people who call themselves non-binary who nonetheless very much code male, and people probably wouldn't want that sort of thing listed asyuri-- just like someone wouldn't consider someone like me, a regular man who is not a drag queen but who decided for some reason I wanted to use the pronouns she/he, to be in any way someone who could assume labels like "lesbian".last edited at Jun 16, 2025 2:09AM
Lariria Jun 15, 2025 7:25AM
Why are you, a cis man, posting walls of text about enby people?
For fuck's sakes, can't even go to the Queer Manga Site without some cis fuck discriminating against me.
last edited at Jun 15, 2025 7:25AM
ImheretoDie Jun 15, 2025 11:57PM
^^ Man, what the fuck is all that? At least shorten your argument. Nobody's reading that.
eromancer Jun 16, 2025 2:02AM
^^ Look, I was engaged by someone, and I responded. I am not a "cis fuck" and I did not "discriminate against you". I'm talking about tags, and I explicitly said I supported the
yuritag in this case because the character codes feminine.I don't know you; if you are NB I can understand if you felt the tone of my post was antagonistic because I said that "NB lesbian arguably doesn't make sense". I apologize if you felt insulted by that, but that was honestly not my intention. My question/confusion is genuine, and if you don't want to take the time to answer that's fine, but calling me a "cis fuck" is really over the line.
^ Fine, I'll shorten it. It came out longer than I expected, but I was responding to a fairly long argument myself.
last edited at Jun 16, 2025 2:19AM
Lariria Jun 16, 2025 2:10AM
Bro I read your final paragraph like five times and it's just "Look, I don't want you to call me a bigot and I refuse to understand complex gender dynamics because I'm a cis asshole so I'm gonna try and phrase this like I'm talking about other peoples' opinions and not my own."
Like, we've all been alivefor a while here. Just be fuckin' honest, my guy.
last edited at Jun 16, 2025 2:13AM
eromancer Jun 16, 2025 2:53AM
^ Jesus, does this thing notify some people when a comment is made? I barely had a chance to make one revision to my post.
Next, call me a "fuck" or an "asshole" one more time, and I'll report you to the mods. Do not tell me that I am a "bigot" because you don't know me. What, you think I'm cool with gay people, trans people, but I just hate NBs?
Also, I am honest. There is nothing more infuriating than being psychoanalyzed by someone who won't take your statements at face value, and who can't have a reasonable discussion without calling people names. My original post made it clear that I didn't have a problem with the
yuritag because the character coded as feminine. And I meant it.As I said in my previous edit, in case you didn't see it, I apologize if you felt I was being antagonistic toward you. I only pointed out the "NB lesbian" issue because this is supposed to be a
yurisite, and it is understandable that some people might not consider "NB"yuri.As far as what I think about NB people, I admit I don't completely understand it. If you'd like to clear something up, rather than just calling it "complex gender dynamics", feel free. I imagine you'll balk at that, in which case I'll ask that you simply speak respectfully. I understand if you've had bad experiences online before and I'm honesly not trying to antagonize.
But when I tell you about what other people think, it's because it's the truth. I've engaged a lot of people on this issue, respectfully, and I expect the same in return. Like skelly85 did. That's how people expect to be talked to on this site, not to simply toss around flippant insults.
MrEngenious Jun 16, 2025 3:22AM
Hello, Dynasty is run by only a handful of staff and now a bunch of regular uploaders, so tags will be inconsistent a lot of times but we do try to correct them when we find it and as time moves on and things change. Images are mostly staff-side with Dpf at the helm.
yuriandsubtextwill continue to be a hot debate for years to come and as more uploaders are granted privilege they may have their own ideas, staff will still be around to try to shape the final result in the manner we deem appropriate.As for this, I'm not the uploader of the image nor was I the one to tag it yuri or not for the other Mizuki pairings.
Tagging on Dynasty is to mainly help with searching. It's not to help provide anyone in real life with labels. You'll have NB people calling themselves lesbian/gay and others who will not label themselves as such. There is no hard definition as everyone has their own circumstances. In the end here we have to settle on something for the tags and we strive to have it make sense for the communities involved and to also help with searching of course.
@eromancer Look man, perhaps in your confusion you're not realizing it, but the manner of writing you wrote your initial posts came off not as confusion but as with some authority. Perhaps you meant it, perhaps you didn't. I'm going to tell you that I was irked all the same. If you intend on engaging for the intent of clarification or further context, I would say you should ask a question rather than providing further statements. This is why you were called being a "cis fuck" which, while of course rude and something we don't want to be proliferating on here too much either, was something you walked into without knowing by appearing to be another cishet guy in the world trying to talk in place of the minorities (I am also cishet, if that means anything).
Also as a side note yes, there are going to be people who embrace certain minority groups and exclude others with prejudice, even if they are also part of an endangered minority group themselves. It's an unfortunate fact of the world we live in.
@Perlen297 @skelly85 I'm not a Project Sekai follower so I'm going to take your words, as well as what is available in their wiki and such from my searches, as reason to look back at the other Mizuki pairings to tag with
yuri.last edited at Jun 16, 2025 3:24AM
eromancer Jun 16, 2025 3:54AM
Yeah, I'm starting to realize this. That's just the way I talk, but I guess I need to change it up in this context. I appreciate the constructive criticism.
Yes, that's true--you've got the TERFs and all that. But I wanted to emphasize that it isn't always mean-spirited--one person's inclusion is another person's appropriation. It's something I've noticed as I've wrestled with the frought notion of identity. As progressives we all want to be inclusive, but identities are exclusive by nature (based on mutual life experience), and some groups are very keen to guard them, in some cases understandably, and the terminology around them.
And yeah, I'm mostly an outside observer, because I have relatively few identities and I don't really care much to identify with others based on them. I certainly don't purport to speak for anyone; I only talk about what I observe.
Lariria Jun 16, 2025 2:56PM
Dropping the snotty tone. I am an enby who is feminine and has primarily dated women and enbies who are feminine. eromancer, the stuff you were saying was justifying cis lesbians discriminating against people like me. You may not realize it, but that was absolutely the case. Or, you're being disingenuous. I don't know, and I don't care.
Either way, you said some hateful shit, whether it be by accident or on purpose it does not matter. To quote David Lynch: Fix Your Heart.
Finally, stay out of queer peoples' business when you are not queer yourself. Your opinion don't matter on the subject.
last edited at Jun 16, 2025 2:57PM
eromancer Jun 16, 2025 7:59PM
^ For what it's worth, I sincerely apologize. I realize this is a safe space, and I messed with that. Really, I regret it; I got angry and defensive. I don't have hate for you in my heart. I get intellectual about things and expect my rational tone will prevent anyone from getting offended; I know it's a problem of mine.
You're right, I said things I shouldn't have. I know how nasty TERF lesbians can be; I should've known better. I tend to draw a distinction between "discrimination" and identity/terminology policing, but I suppose in practice there's not much difference.
Anyway, think what you will of me, but I hope I didn't hurt or upset you too much.
last edited at Jun 16, 2025 10:59PM