yuri aside, I've been wanting to play dungeons and dragons for the longest time, but I don't know how to start
HB4L
Sep 25, 2020 11:21PM
@wsedoiugly: they are all from the capcom arcade beat 'em up, DnD: Shadows over Mystara. Every playable character has two distinct sprite models you can choose between, as well as a default name for each of the two sprites. Lucia is one of the elf character models, while Moriah and Shannon are the default names for the thief class models. Some people argue it's one of the best capcom arcade games ever, to which I agree. Yuri would have made it even better lol.
HB4L
Sep 25, 2020 11:29PM
@Azero25: The pandemic makes it harder to form a group irl right now, but there are plenty of online communities as well. I personally don't care all that much for 5th edition, but it's easier to pick up and play than 3.5 or older editions - 4th edition is imo fun and by far the easiest to learn, but it plays VERY differently from other versions. You could also try pathfinder, which is fundamentally similar to 3.5, albeit (arguably) more refined and balanced overall.
Namyks
Sep 26, 2020 12:02AM
@Azero25 just imagine some rad characters that you'll never actually get to play, then get sad that you don't have a group and you'll have experienced about 95% of peak DnD.
But actually, there's a ton of ways to find a group online, and even more ways to figure out how to play the game on the ol' YouTubes.
Sweet Dangus McGee
Sep 26, 2020 2:08AM
Or yknow better yet, skip DnD altogether. It’s got a stranglehold on the ttrpg community and there are like a thousand alternatives big and small that offer better role play, better table dynamics, better mechanics, better crunch, and are usually way more accessible, just without the household name PR. A little research will take you a long way.
Swag Wagon
Sep 26, 2020 2:41AM
There's nothing wrong with starting with DnD. It's basically a gateway TTRPG and it's nice to get acclimated to the genre. I'd say find a group to teach you 4e (4th edition) and go from there.
Personally I prefer Pathfinder, it's easy to homebrew and adapt to different genres and there's tons of resources for it all over the place.
random
Sep 26, 2020 5:13AM
Back in the day I took one look at 4th ed and went "why the actual fuck did they try to make a PnP game with all the dumbest MMORPG mechanics", just sayin'.
Haven't looked much into 5th but from what I know it has finally managed to drop a lot of the dumbshit baggage that plagued earlier editions.
RandomGuy
Sep 26, 2020 7:24AM
^I’d recommend 5e if you ever get the chance. It’s far simpler, mechanics-wise than previous editions (WoTC definitely designed it to be very first-time friendly), and as far as I know the designers did learn their lesson about trying to incorporate MMO mechanics into tabletop games.
@Azero25 If your looking to play 5e, I’d recommend looking into Adventurer’s League. It’s a big organized campaign that is hosted online and in various game stores (I know Pathfinder does something similar, but I don’t know the name). Obviously, your mileage might vary in terms of players and you do need to pay to get in, but it’s great for people who are just getting into the hobby since you can potentially drop in on any AL table with an open seat and use the same character instead of being reliant on a specific group that may meet up infrequently or simply be kind of meh overall.
macfluffers
Sep 26, 2020 8:53AM
D&D isn't the worst thing ever but consider looking into Powered by the Apocalypse or Forged in the Dark if you want games that actually have design philosophy
alternatively, just listen to Friends At The Table lol
last edited at Sep 26, 2020 8:53AM
greenheros
Sep 26, 2020 10:23AM
dynasty dnd group im down
Vusuko
Sep 26, 2020 12:52PM
^ That does sound fun haha
Omega Deuse
Sep 26, 2020 2:00PM
It's kind-of unfortunate that D&D is so dominant, because there are a lot of other interesting systems that are much harder to play, simply because everyone has heard of D&D.
ComfyCafe
Sep 26, 2020 3:19PM
Truth, Deuse.
The D&D arcade games are 10/10 though and I highly recommend them to anyone fond of beat-em-ups.
2SpiritCherokeePrincess
Sep 26, 2020 6:58PM
I don't know about different versions, all I know is Dungeons & Dragons made me avoid RPGs for years. Until I discovered .hack//INFECTION & learned that an RPG doesn't have to bore you to tears.
last edited at Sep 26, 2020 6:59PM
random
Sep 26, 2020 7:04PM
^dothack is CRPG tho.
2SpiritCherokeePrincess
Sep 26, 2020 7:26PM
So was D&D: Warriors of the Eternal Sun on the Sega Genesis. A game that wasn't so boring, but villainized Native People so we could be slaughtered by the White heroes.
random
Sep 26, 2020 7:42PM
I'd literally have to look up even the console... Sounds like 2nd ed era which is still 'fondly' remembered by greybeards for its retarded rule design - at least the digital adaptations didn't make you calculate That Which Is THAC0 by hand DX
Oh console's from like '88 and game's from '92. Yeah that's balls-old 2nd ed time. Meanwhile us PC Master Race had good shit like SSI's "Gold Box" series (88-92), the Eye of the Beholders (91-93) and the Dark Suns (93-94) - to name just some of the D&D based ones... ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌
Omega Deuse
Sep 26, 2020 7:44PM
I haven't played any of the D&D arcade games, but I generally haven't been a fan of the pc games based on it, in part because of mechanical issues with 3.5 and how characters are built, in particular.
That said, if a bunch of people are really interested in playing non-D&D games, I might be up for playing or GMing, depending on what people want.
Swag Wagon
Sep 26, 2020 8:39PM
The DnD arcade and console games are a completely different thing than pen and paper board games and I don't think it's fair to compare the experience of those things.
The only games I know, off the top of my head, and are closer in experience, are more modern games like Shadowrun, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and Divinity.
Though I've never actually played any of the DnD games so what do I know.
Also I was wrong earlier about suggesting starting off on 4e. I got it mixed up with 3.5. I still ended up ditching it entirely after maybe 2 games but I was still fun learning.
last edited at Sep 26, 2020 8:42PM
Omega Deuse
Sep 26, 2020 9:14PM
Really? I was under the impression that Balderls Gate Planescape Torment were pretty similar to the official rules and they came out in '98 and '99 respectively.
Also, it's probably worth mentioning that Shadowrun is based of of, well, Shadowrun, not D&D. The two systems are fairly different.
robblu
Sep 26, 2020 9:22PM
I play dungeons and dragons, I have the beat-em-up game on steam and I play the table top role-playing-game also.
Swag Wagon
Sep 26, 2020 11:07PM
I was just referencing Table Top games and mechanics in general. If Baldurs Gate shares mechanics then probably, haven't actually played those either.
Just brought them up cuz they're better comparisons than arcade beat-em-up's and top down/isometric Gauntlet-likes.
bitfarb
Sep 27, 2020 1:09AM
Look, I just want them to suck on her ears, ok?
random
Sep 27, 2020 7:00AM
^^^^While SR's whole rule design philosophy was wildly different from D&D's from the get go and has stayed that way throughout multiple editions (both systems are on their 5th now), it's probably worth pointing out that the vidya gaem adaptations work quite differently from the PnP mechanics...
none
Sep 27, 2020 1:40PM
D&D yuri. Now that's unexpected. Didn't know it even had much art in the first place, much less yuri. Hoping for many more!
@macfluffers ay someone with good taste! Wouldn't have expected fatt to come up around here, love to see it.
@Swag Wagon see I don't necessarily think DnD is a very good gateway TTRPG. It's a household name sure but its mechanics and narrative design are a hodgepodge of outdated systems and unnecessary complications that gives a seriously limiting idea of what TTRGS can be, there've been so many innovations to the genre. At most it's just a gateway to more DnD. At least 5e anyway, 3.5 is at least honest about what it is.
last edited at Sep 27, 2020 2:01PM
Omega Deuse
Sep 27, 2020 3:06PM
@Nevri, making a thread for it might be a good idea. Personally, if it's going to be something White Wolf's published I'd rather go with Exalted or the Genius: The Transgression. There are also a few other systems I'd be fairly interested in, but D&D and Pathfinder are things I'd rather avoid.
Nevri
Sep 27, 2020 3:15PM
@Omega Deuse We played Masquerade, because we connected over our love for vampires and tabletop. I'd personally prefer it, but I'm open to suggestions. Also made the thread.
RiderFan
Sep 27, 2020 4:05PM
This is specifically from the 2nd arcade D&D game, Shadows over Mystara. It was such a cool game back in the day.
Megumiaki
Sep 28, 2020 12:29AM
Me and my friends from high school have been trying to set up an online campaign for the last couple months, but we're all so busy with work and school :(
tayrolly
Jun 15, 2021 3:43AM
I also recently bought this game and couldn't figure out how to play it because I didn't find any guides. There is also very little information on the Internet for beginners because everything is too detailed and unclear. And I was already thinking about throwing this game in the box and forgetting about it. However, I came across a website https://dndguide.net / which is dedicated to this game, and there I learned that it turns out it can be played in a large number of classes. Yes, of course, I don't quite understand how to play it, but before I play, I choose the class I want to play with and read the manual because I really liked the game and I want to play it more and more.
wsedoiugly Sep 25, 2020 10:59PM
what's this from?
Azero25 Sep 25, 2020 11:11PM
yuri aside, I've been wanting to play dungeons and dragons for the longest time, but I don't know how to start
HB4L Sep 25, 2020 11:21PM
@wsedoiugly: they are all from the capcom arcade beat 'em up, DnD: Shadows over Mystara. Every playable character has two distinct sprite models you can choose between, as well as a default name for each of the two sprites. Lucia is one of the elf character models, while Moriah and Shannon are the default names for the thief class models. Some people argue it's one of the best capcom arcade games ever, to which I agree. Yuri would have made it even better lol.
HB4L Sep 25, 2020 11:29PM
@Azero25: The pandemic makes it harder to form a group irl right now, but there are plenty of online communities as well. I personally don't care all that much for 5th edition, but it's easier to pick up and play than 3.5 or older editions - 4th edition is imo fun and by far the easiest to learn, but it plays VERY differently from other versions. You could also try pathfinder, which is fundamentally similar to 3.5, albeit (arguably) more refined and balanced overall.
Namyks Sep 26, 2020 12:02AM
@Azero25 just imagine some rad characters that you'll never actually get to play, then get sad that you don't have a group and you'll have experienced about 95% of peak DnD.
But actually, there's a ton of ways to find a group online, and even more ways to figure out how to play the game on the ol' YouTubes.
Sweet Dangus McGee Sep 26, 2020 2:08AM
Or yknow better yet, skip DnD altogether. It’s got a stranglehold on the ttrpg community and there are like a thousand alternatives big and small that offer better role play, better table dynamics, better mechanics, better crunch, and are usually way more accessible, just without the household name PR. A little research will take you a long way.
Swag Wagon Sep 26, 2020 2:41AM
There's nothing wrong with starting with DnD. It's basically a gateway TTRPG and it's nice to get acclimated to the genre. I'd say find a group to teach you 4e (4th edition) and go from there.
Personally I prefer Pathfinder, it's easy to homebrew and adapt to different genres and there's tons of resources for it all over the place.
random Sep 26, 2020 5:13AM
Back in the day I took one look at 4th ed and went "why the actual fuck did they try to make a PnP game with all the dumbest MMORPG mechanics", just sayin'.
Haven't looked much into 5th but from what I know it has finally managed to drop a lot of the dumbshit baggage that plagued earlier editions.
RandomGuy Sep 26, 2020 7:24AM
^I’d recommend 5e if you ever get the chance. It’s far simpler, mechanics-wise than previous editions (WoTC definitely designed it to be very first-time friendly), and as far as I know the designers did learn their lesson about trying to incorporate MMO mechanics into tabletop games.
@Azero25 If your looking to play 5e, I’d recommend looking into Adventurer’s League. It’s a big organized campaign that is hosted online and in various game stores (I know Pathfinder does something similar, but I don’t know the name). Obviously, your mileage might vary in terms of players and you do need to pay to get in, but it’s great for people who are just getting into the hobby since you can potentially drop in on any AL table with an open seat and use the same character instead of being reliant on a specific group that may meet up infrequently or simply be kind of meh overall.
macfluffers Sep 26, 2020 8:53AM
D&D isn't the worst thing ever but consider looking into Powered by the Apocalypse or Forged in the Dark if you want games that actually have design philosophy
alternatively, just listen to Friends At The Table lol
last edited at Sep 26, 2020 8:53AM
greenheros Sep 26, 2020 10:23AM
dynasty dnd group im down
Vusuko Sep 26, 2020 12:52PM
^ That does sound fun haha
Omega Deuse Sep 26, 2020 2:00PM
It's kind-of unfortunate that D&D is so dominant, because there are a lot of other interesting systems that are much harder to play, simply because everyone has heard of D&D.
ComfyCafe Sep 26, 2020 3:19PM
Truth, Deuse.
The D&D arcade games are 10/10 though and I highly recommend them to anyone fond of beat-em-ups.
2SpiritCherokeePrincess Sep 26, 2020 6:58PM
I don't know about different versions, all I know is Dungeons & Dragons made me avoid RPGs for years. Until I discovered .hack//INFECTION & learned that an RPG doesn't have to bore you to tears.
last edited at Sep 26, 2020 6:59PM
random Sep 26, 2020 7:04PM
^dothack is CRPG tho.
2SpiritCherokeePrincess Sep 26, 2020 7:26PM
So was D&D: Warriors of the Eternal Sun on the Sega Genesis. A game that wasn't so boring, but villainized Native People so we could be slaughtered by the White heroes.
random Sep 26, 2020 7:42PM
I'd literally have to look up even the console... Sounds like 2nd ed era which is still 'fondly' remembered by greybeards for its retarded rule design - at least the digital adaptations didn't make you calculate That Which Is THAC0 by hand DX
Oh console's from like '88 and game's from '92. Yeah that's balls-old 2nd ed time. Meanwhile us PC Master Race had good shit like SSI's "Gold Box" series (88-92), the Eye of the Beholders (91-93) and the Dark Suns (93-94) - to name just some of the D&D based ones... ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌
Omega Deuse Sep 26, 2020 7:44PM
I haven't played any of the D&D arcade games, but I generally haven't been a fan of the pc games based on it, in part because of mechanical issues with 3.5 and how characters are built, in particular.
That said, if a bunch of people are really interested in playing non-D&D games, I might be up for playing or GMing, depending on what people want.
Swag Wagon Sep 26, 2020 8:39PM
The DnD arcade and console games are a completely different thing than pen and paper board games and I don't think it's fair to compare the experience of those things.
The only games I know, off the top of my head, and are closer in experience, are more modern games like Shadowrun, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and Divinity.
Though I've never actually played any of the DnD games so what do I know.
Also I was wrong earlier about suggesting starting off on 4e. I got it mixed up with 3.5. I still ended up ditching it entirely after maybe 2 games but I was still fun learning.
last edited at Sep 26, 2020 8:42PM
Omega Deuse Sep 26, 2020 9:14PM
Really? I was under the impression that Balderls Gate Planescape Torment were pretty similar to the official rules and they came out in '98 and '99 respectively.
Also, it's probably worth mentioning that Shadowrun is based of of, well, Shadowrun, not D&D. The two systems are fairly different.
robblu Sep 26, 2020 9:22PM
I play dungeons and dragons, I have the beat-em-up game on steam and I play the table top role-playing-game also.
Swag Wagon Sep 26, 2020 11:07PM
I was just referencing Table Top games and mechanics in general. If Baldurs Gate shares mechanics then probably, haven't actually played those either.
Just brought them up cuz they're better comparisons than arcade beat-em-up's and top down/isometric Gauntlet-likes.
bitfarb Sep 27, 2020 1:09AM
Look, I just want them to suck on her ears, ok?
random Sep 27, 2020 7:00AM
^^^^While SR's whole rule design philosophy was wildly different from D&D's from the get go and has stayed that way throughout multiple editions (both systems are on their 5th now), it's probably worth pointing out that the vidya gaem adaptations work quite differently from the PnP mechanics...
none Sep 27, 2020 1:40PM
D&D yuri. Now that's unexpected. Didn't know it even had much art in the first place, much less yuri. Hoping for many more!
Nevri Sep 27, 2020 1:44PM
We used to play Vampire Masquerade with full female cast (characters, not players) with people from Dynasty. Sadly it fallen apart. I'd be up to play it again or if people don't want to play it, we could alternatively go for Pathfinder or any other system. Either way, if anyone here is interested, I could make a thread and we can see what we can organize.
last edited at Sep 27, 2020 2:00PM
Sweet Dangus McGee Sep 27, 2020 2:00PM
@macfluffers ay someone with good taste! Wouldn't have expected fatt to come up around here, love to see it.
@Swag Wagon see I don't necessarily think DnD is a very good gateway TTRPG. It's a household name sure but its mechanics and narrative design are a hodgepodge of outdated systems and unnecessary complications that gives a seriously limiting idea of what TTRGS can be, there've been so many innovations to the genre. At most it's just a gateway to more DnD. At least 5e anyway, 3.5 is at least honest about what it is.
last edited at Sep 27, 2020 2:01PM
Omega Deuse Sep 27, 2020 3:06PM
@Nevri, making a thread for it might be a good idea. Personally, if it's going to be something White Wolf's published I'd rather go with Exalted or the Genius: The Transgression. There are also a few other systems I'd be fairly interested in, but D&D and Pathfinder are things I'd rather avoid.
Nevri Sep 27, 2020 3:15PM
@Omega Deuse We played Masquerade, because we connected over our love for vampires and tabletop. I'd personally prefer it, but I'm open to suggestions. Also made the thread.
RiderFan Sep 27, 2020 4:05PM
This is specifically from the 2nd arcade D&D game, Shadows over Mystara. It was such a cool game back in the day.
Megumiaki Sep 28, 2020 12:29AM
Me and my friends from high school have been trying to set up an online campaign for the last couple months, but we're all so busy with work and school :(
tayrolly Jun 15, 2021 3:43AM
I also recently bought this game and couldn't figure out how to play it because I didn't find any guides. There is also very little information on the Internet for beginners because everything is too detailed and unclear. And I was already thinking about throwing this game in the box and forgetting about it. However, I came across a website https://dndguide.net / which is dedicated to this game, and there I learned that it turns out it can be played in a large number of classes. Yes, of course, I don't quite understand how to play it, but before I play, I choose the class I want to play with and read the manual because I really liked the game and I want to play it more and more.
last edited at Jun 15, 2021 5:54AM
greenheros Sep 7, 2022 8:11PM
I can dm