The old cliché about gay men being promiscuous and unfaithful is alive and well, I see.

Why are Dynasty users so weirdly bad at reading manga? I never thought it was a skill you could somehow fail at before.

Seriously. Although that specific comment seems more in line with general outrage culture (inability to grasp nuance, a need to be offended by something to the point of actively looking for something to be offended by when none presents itself). But yeah. That bit had nothing to do with being gay. It's literally a human thing that is funny BECAUSE it's happened to so many people of ALL sexualities. It was a JOKE panel, my God.

And besides, if ANYTHING, that stereotype is directed more at bisexual people, like myself. That's a stereotype I've had ACTIVELY used against me, and guess what? It doesn't even bother me that much. OP needs to grow a thicker skin or stop ruining the fun for everyone else. I hate people who comment just to point out how 'problematic' something is or similar. Just let people enjoy the manga. God.

last edited at Mar 18, 2024 12:10AM

Omg, please tell me half those couples did not kiss for the first time OFF-SCREEN. Like...I get that that's the original kind of manga this was, but...if it happened now, it would totally kill the tension that's been building up between them! Especially Nononon and Yumimi, whose whole thing has revolved around that...

That said, I loved Mayuyu's jealous moment- maybe they're starting to become more aware of their feelings (though I suspect Mariri already kind of is). I'm hoping that (all of it, really) wasn't another off-screen relationship upgrade like Haruka and Kanae. I know Ayano and Miyoshi kissed a lot early on, so I'm hoping it's just a 'girls kissing girls' kind of chapter, but the manga hasn't really been going in that direction recently, so...

If not, that was a great chapter! If so...super disappointing.

This couple of chapters have been about teasing us readers

I was about to say exactly the same thing, though more about this last one than the Kaoru/Mask one, just because I'm not super into that pairing personally. But even then, at least those two had an interaction at the end, AND that was just a short- this chapter (a full chapter evidently) especially, I don't think they even talked to each other, lol.

I'm not usually one to criticize the writer or anything, and I'm still not really, but it IS a bit frustrating to see my favorite pairing in the tags and then just get like...imagine spots and no actual relationship progression or even real interaction.

Nao actually wants an harem..

Given Nao's general proclivities, I'm pretty sure this is more in the vein of public molestation more than harem fantasies.

Yeah that's pretty much what I got from it too. Especially with the expressions on some of those fingers...I just didn't know how to phrase it delicately xD

It was the expressions she drew on those three fingers that got me.

. >:D
. >:D
. >:D

Like seriously, that face alone throws in a whole new level of kink- that's pretty hardcore, even for Nao.

(Dots added because apparently that right arrow is how you quote on here so the faces weren't coming out right.)

last edited at Dec 23, 2023 10:58PM

So, everyone including the female teachers are lesbians at this school?

Hibiki has dated boys, so she's either bi or het.

So has Mariri, evidently (since we're not shown her ex, but know he existed because of that one chapter with Mayuyy asking about kissing).

I think the rule in this manga is probably generally that they CAN find guys attractive but will inevitably fall in love with a girl in the end.

I like to imagine a Kanae fan whispering sensible things to your ears.

"Always arrive early to meetings"
"Cook instead of eating outside"
"Buy in bunches if not perishable"

That last one cracked me up

at this point everyone knows they're in love, so why are they still not a couple??? Ayano you useless lesbian, suck it up and confess already!!

The problem is that it's the more introverted one (Ayano) who is aware of her feelings, and the more extroverted one (Miyoshi) is clueless. If it were the other way around, they probably would have gotten together 100+ chapters ago. But I feel bad for the burden of confessing being fully on Ayano, since she's so much more reserved and unsure than Miyoshi. But that's coming from a fellow introvert- I can't imagine ever confessing first, ESPECIALLY if it were my best friend I was in love with.

last edited at Jul 21, 2023 10:17PM

It is truly amazing how far we've come. A relationship ten years in the making.

"And it only took ten years!!" xD

But seriously, I know what you mean. These two were some of the first we saw, and who would've expected this kind of depth from what they started out as? I'm honestly just thankful I don't have to check my anxiety levels before reading the Mio x Shizuka chapters anymore. I can't handle too much angst when I'm already anxious/depressed. I hope they've genuinely worked through it this time.

This chapter goes a LONG way to address the scars Kaoru left on Shizuka, in my opinion.

Shizuka desperately wanted something Kaoru SEEMED to offer her (stability, devotion- 'pampering', as she puts it in this chapter), but Kaoru only says that stuff to get girls in bed (to put it bluntly). In reality, Kaoru isn't a particularly strong person, which is what Shizuka desires. This is in contrast to Mio, who has proven that, despite her appearances, she is a VERY strong and emotionally mature person- which is what Shizuka ACTUALLY needs in a partner.

I've said before that I don't think Shizuka is any worse than Kaoru, and yet Kaoru gets virtually no hate despite being the whole reason Shizuka was so emotionally messed up to begin with. I feel like Kaoru has been granted a LOT of grace by the fandom without anything by way of redemption (she has yet to apologize for any of what she did to Shizuka) and Shizuka has seen the opposite treatment despite actually making an effort. A lot of that is probably because of how sweet and loyal Mio is (as opposed to Mask being significantly darker, with plenty of issues of her own), so naturally nobody wants to see her get hurt, and Shizuka DID hurt her. But everyone seems to forget that Shizuka was hurt very deeply too- and that up until recently, she never got a chance to heal because she immediately had to go back to being around Kaoru when the latter stopped eating (there was that line about Honoka going to Shizuka because she couldn't get Kaoru to eat, and even recently Shizuka has asked Kaoru 'how she's eating'). This naturally led to the very messy, angst events we've seen from this pair.

Sometimes people get hurt. Sometimes it's uneven, and it's not fair, and it happens to the 'wrong people'. Mio didn't deserve to be caught up in it and had every right to walk away if she wanted. But Mio made her decision and she communicated and worked through it because Shizuka was that important to her. And Shizuka TRIED, which proves that Mio is important to her, too. She actually put in the effort to get over Kaoru and (from what we've seen) succeeded. She messed up, and Mio didn't, but I don't think that is really a good mark of whether or not someone 'deserves' someone else.

last edited at Jun 21, 2023 12:10AM

I know the author isn't writing her this way but Shizuka still feels so fake to me. Her only saving grace is that Mio seems to be happy with her.

I feel like I've said this before.

I actually feel like we're finally seeing the real Shizuka. Like...I feel like she was putting on an act. The refined, elegant senpai. She always felt a little...TOO perfect. Too untouchable. This somewhat insecure, trepidatious version of her feels more realistic to me personally. I think it was her relationship with Kaoru that forced Shizuka to adopt that unaffected persona as something of a shield.

But that's just me personally. Either way, I feel like she's a lot more real than she WAS.

I'll say this for the manga club- they're very creative, if nothing else. Anthropomorphizing getting old? Why not do it backwards? xD

But seriously. It takes a certain amount of imagination to even conceive the ideas for some of the things those girls have drawn. Up to and including the literal anthropomorphization of a metaphor for a meeting. And that's not even touching on Shizuka, who somehow accurately called the it. I mean, you can't really understand crazy if you're not a little crazy yourself, right? But somehow that tracks for her xD

last edited at Jun 14, 2023 10:49PM

Oh great now we're all going to end up on the sex offender registry. Gee thanks Torajirou.

Seriously that really did make me feel a little bit like a creeper though.

Exactly what I've been trying to say. I just don't like the interactive chapters much on the whole, but apparently, given the people who've quoted my comment, that opinion is not valid, and I must therefore either be overreacting or secretly into it (insert eye roll emoji here).

Well, unlike opinions such as “Plot development X didn’t work for me” or “My favorite character is So-and-So,” moral judgements inherently imply that people who don’t share that opinion are less morally upright that you are. Maybe that’s not the intention, but it comes with the territory.

So when you come into forums making moralistic judgments that others don’t share, they’re likely to tell you so.

I understand how it can be taken that way, even though it's not how I meant it. The thing that bothered me more was the way it was worded- the person who replied to one of my comments said 'I'd like to insist that the two (perving on the characters and reading for the story) are not mutually exclusive'. I was upset because when I wrote the comment, I was expressly referring to my PERSONAL opinion, and as such sounded like they were making an incorrect assumption about me personally, which has always been a sore spot with me because I'm on the Autism spectrum and have dealt with people making incorrect assumptions about me all my life. They could have meant it as 'the two don't have to be mutually exclusive', but the way it was worded, for whatever reason, made me feel like they were implying that I PERSONALLY was secretly into it. The key here was that they didn't seem to mind my referring to perving on the characters (I was referring exclusively to the chapter, not the people reading it, but I see your point and will refrain from doing so in the future) at all, and just seemed to make assumptions about my personal feelings on the matter.

I think you are misreading that “not mutually exclusive” response—I read that in the more general way myself—but that’s for that particular poster to say.

I don't care for that kind of content because I, personally, am uncomfortable reading it. Not from a moral standpoint, but from a personal preference. I understand they're fictional characters, and I have no problem with how/why others read the manga. I just don't care much for ANY kind of sexual content just because it's not my thing. I didn't realize that I wasn't making that clear- all I said and meant was that I PERSONALLY don't care for the 'interactive' chapters.

The only thing I do object to about your response is talking about me making 'moralistic judgements'. I can see how my phrasing would imply a sense of morality and, as I said, I'll try to avoid that kind of language in the future. But to say that I'm 'coming into a forum and making moralistic judgements' is implying explicit intent rather than an unintentional implication of morality. I can't STAND self-righteousness, and that was in NO way my intention- the first part of your message seemed to imply you realized that could be the case, but the last bit seemed to imply that you thought I was expressly projecting personal morals onto others, which I never did. That could just be phrasing, in which case please just ignore this, but just in case it wasn't, I want to be clear that that was NOT my intention.

Sure, no problem—we’re good. I was just describing how the dynamic seems to work out in these forums.

But your last point goes to my original main point: for many kinds of opinions about plot and character, a person may or may not get responses from people who disagree.

But when the opinion inherently has some dimension of moral judgement, i.e., “This squicks me out/makes me uncomfortable/I don’t think this OK,” etc.,” no matter how thoroughly the person means only to me personally, people who disagree often take it as a normative value judgement and tend to push back.

(The fact that sometimes outraged people actually do come into these forums and say the equivalent of “This is disgusting and you people should be ashamed of yourselves for liking it and I’m tempted to call the police” may make people more sensitive about such matters.)

I understand what you're saying completely- thank you for explaining in more detail. I've definitely been there myself before, and I know how it can trigger defensiveness- I just didn't realize that what I said had that effect. Your point about how the dynamic can play out is a good one- I've seen it plenty of times myself.

As for the poster's response, I agree that it could be taken either way, and I did realize it at the time and debated saying anything about it. That's where my oversensitivity came in- I just got defensive because I can't stand people telling me what I mean by something I said. That's clearly something I still need to work on.

And that last bit is a good point- I hadn't thought about it like that, though I know there are plenty of people who do that (though their wrath is completely unwarranted/misplaced here, at least after the beginning chapters- it's never gotten overly ecchi since then, I've seen mainstream harem manga do worse). Of all people, I should know about how people can have sensitivities to certain phrasing or tone, since I deal with it so much myself. But it's kind of the Autism-doom-loop for me, haha...I'm overly sensitive to tone and phrasing because of that experience, but then end up wording things poorly and inadvertently hurting other people because I don't realize how things come out until it's too late. You'd think I'd be better at it by now, and I DO try (believe it or not, haha), but I always seem to mess up somehow only to realize it later, either just a few minutes down the line or, like this time, when someone points it out to me.

But! I'm constantly trying to get better about it regardless (both being too sensitive and saying insensitive things), and I'm always grateful for people who are honest with me so that I can change in the future. I really appreciate your honesty and kindness (I was so worried it would turn into an argument, and I HATE those, despite/because of the fact that I can never just let it go) in pointing this out, and I'll try to avoid any moralistic phrasing in the future!

last edited at Jun 1, 2023 12:55AM

Oh great now we're all going to end up on the sex offender registry. Gee thanks Torajirou.

Seriously that really did make me feel a little bit like a creeper though.

Exactly what I've been trying to say. I just don't like the interactive chapters much on the whole, but apparently, given the people who've quoted my comment, that opinion is not valid, and I must therefore either be overreacting or secretly into it (insert eye roll emoji here).

Well, unlike opinions such as “Plot development X didn’t work for me” or “My favorite character is So-and-So,” moral judgements inherently imply that people who don’t share that opinion are less morally upright that you are. Maybe that’s not the intention, but it comes with the territory.

So when you come into forums making moralistic judgments that others don’t share, they’re likely to tell you so.

I understand how it can be taken that way, even though it's not how I meant it. The thing that bothered me more was the way it was worded- the person who replied to one of my comments said 'I'd like to insist that the two (perving on the characters and reading for the story) are not mutually exclusive'. I was upset because when I wrote the comment, I was expressly referring to my PERSONAL opinion, and as such sounded like they were making an incorrect assumption about me personally, which has always been a sore spot with me because I'm on the Autism spectrum and have dealt with people making incorrect assumptions about me all my life. They could have meant it as 'the two don't have to be mutually exclusive', but the way it was worded, for whatever reason, made me feel like they were implying that I PERSONALLY was secretly into it. The key here was that they didn't seem to mind my referring to perving on the characters (I was referring exclusively to the chapter, not the people reading it, but I see your point and will refrain from doing so in the future) at all, and just seemed to make assumptions about my personal feelings on the matter.

I don't care for that kind of content because I, personally, am uncomfortable reading it. Not from a moral standpoint, but from a personal preference. I understand they're fictional characters, and I have no problem with how/why others read the manga. I just don't care much for ANY kind of sexual content just because it's not my thing. I didn't realize that I wasn't making that clear- all I said and meant was that I PERSONALLY don't care for the 'interactive' chapters.

The only thing I do object to about your response is talking about me making 'moralistic judgements'. I can see how my phrasing would imply a sense of morality and, as I said, I'll try to avoid that kind of language in the future. But to say that I'm 'coming into a forum and making moralistic judgements' is implying explicit intent rather than an unintentional implication of morality. I can't STAND self-righteousness, and that was in NO way my intention- the first part of your message seemed to imply you realized that could be the case, but the last bit seemed to imply that you thought I was expressly projecting personal morals onto others, which I never did. That could just be phrasing, in which case please just ignore this, but just in case it wasn't, I want to be clear that that was NOT my intention.

last edited at May 31, 2023 7:15AM

I love the Mariri's little proud face when Mayuyu is looking at the muscles on her back xD

Also, I feel like the 'role reversal' due to the fact that Mariri is pretty self-aware (she's shown multiple times that she is aware that she at least finds Mayuyu cute) while Mayuyu seems pretty oblivious. I feel like Mayuyu genuinely doesn't realize what she does to Mariri, which tracks with her somewhat airheaded personality (i.e. instantly assuming Nononon was dead xD). Mariri seems very attuned to feelings in general (like how the other chapter said she's developed a habit of checking before going in to the club room, and HER thought process that Yumimi wouldn't like her being alone with Nononon), and so she's aware of WHY she feels the way she does when Mayuyu touches her, which means she gets flustered when it happens. But that's just my theory, lol.

Oh great now we're all going to end up on the sex offender registry. Gee thanks Torajirou.

Seriously that really did make me feel a little bit like a creeper though.

Exactly what I've been trying to say. I just don't like the interactive chapters much on the whole, but apparently, given the people who've quoted my comment, that opinion is not valid, and I must therefore either be overreacting or secretly into it (insert eye roll emoji here).

I can't be the only one who just tried to smack her/shake her awake (and then had to back press a bunch of times because all it did was make the screen go forward a bunch of times) out of pure annoyance.

Seriously, idk why, but something about these 'interactive' chapters bothers me. It kinda reminds me of a cheap gal game, maybe? Like...I'm reading because I like seeing them interact with each other and watching the relationships grow, not to perv on them.

But I know gal games are big in Japan, and given this manga's beginnings...I guess I'm probably in the minority when it comes to this manga's base.

Yeah, you're reading too much into it.

I'm just stating my opinion though? And I wouldn't call it 'reading too much into it' to mention how scenes of you, the reader, interactively 'waking' a character from sleep is reminiscent of gal games. I just don't like the characters being cheapened like that. But that's my opinion, and yours is yours. I'm not saying no one is allowed to like them, I'm saying I personally don't.

Like...I'm reading because I like seeing them interact with each other and watching the relationships grow, not to perv on them.

I would like to insist that those two motivations are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe for others, but for me? No. I don't even like the chapters that focus too heavily on 'perv angles' (for lack of a better term), because I read for the story and the relationships. The art is beautiful, as are the characters, but the pervy parts just BOTHER me, especially in a manga about high school girls (yes, I know they're fictional- it's just how my mind works).

I didn't make any assumptions about anyone else's motivations, I just stated my own. People have different reasons for enjoying the same content. Just because you or someone else might like the series for both those reasons doesn't mean everyone reading feels the same.

I can't be the only one who just tried to smack her/shake her awake (and then had to back press a bunch of times because all it did was make the screen go forward a bunch of times) out of pure annoyance.

Seriously, idk why, but something about these 'interactive' chapters bothers me. It kinda reminds me of a cheap gal game, maybe? Like...I'm reading because I like seeing them interact with each other and watching the relationships grow, not to perv on them.

But I know gal games are big in Japan, and given this manga's beginnings...I guess I'm probably in the minority when it comes to this manga's base.

You know, you'd think by now that as soon as a chapter in this series makes me think 'WTH, did I click the wrong link?', I'd realize it's an Onibi chapter. But it still gets me every time, lol.

I honestly don't get all the hype for her OR Mask- especially Onibi, since she has less character development. I've just always been confused about what makes her likeable, I guess. She kinda just weirds me out, personally. BUT, that said, I'm sure plenty of people think the same about my favorite pairings, so no offense meant to anyone! Just a random observation that's been on my mind since she started getting personal chapters, I guess.

I'm sorry, but my favorite part of this chapter was that totally voluntary hug with Mahiro(?- I can tell those two apart from the front now with Mahiro's more mature/mischevious eyes, and I THINK she's the one with the darker hair too, but I'm still not sure when it's from the back, haha) in the beginning and the expression on Yuu's face during it. I love seeing Yuu be soft with those two- it's like she's adopted them without really noticing xD

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themajoritylied posted:

The new translator sucks and the new credit page jokes are just awful. What happened?

Dude, if you hate it so much, just stop reading instead of commenting on every chapter just to talk about how much you hate it to try and make other people miserable too. The world does NOT need more negativity right now, especially when it comes to things people read for fun.

The 'new translator' (the Chads have been doing this for YEARS during which you apparently forgot about the manga entirely) doesn't suck- I'll gladly vouch for them as someone raised by not one but TWO English majors and is very picky about grammar. The Chads picked this up because the original translator you so desperately miss (I believe it was DrMario) dropped it without warning after several years of BARELY translating anything. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have ANYTHING, let alone such a good quality translation.

So, as someone else said- if you hate the translator that much, go read the raws, and let the rest of us enjoy the manga in peace.

Thanks for the support! I think they are referring to the fact that Ochan stopped translating for us and now we have two new translators but our proofreaders are the same as always. Anyway, we are all doing our best. If there's anything you would like us to improve on, feel free to give constructive criticisms. Otherwise this feels just very demotivating for us (that have a life outside scanlating and we do this for free and for the love of the community, which you are spoiling). About the credits, it is the typesetter of each chapter that makes them, so very different people make very different credits. Making them usually takes longer than typesetting the whole chapter and sometimes it's literally days just to find an idea or the right panels. It's hard to be funny every single time.
Feel free to continue consuming what we make for you for free, but please try not to make our work feel harder :)

AH, I see. Clearly I know nothing about scanlating xP But still, I haven't noticed any drop in quality at all!

That person just annoys me because they keep coming back and commenting just to complain while people here are just trying to enjoy the manga that you make possible for us to read.

Please know that MOST of us appreciate you very much- I was devastated after Dr. Mario abandoned this, since for whatever reason it's not very well known (possibly because of its dubious beginnings, lol), and I'm SO grateful to you guys for making it possible to continue reading this!

(Also sorry for the late reply- I don't typically check back since I don't often get replies to my comments and I don't get notifications from this site, lol)

The new translator sucks and the new credit page jokes are just awful. What happened?

Dude, if you hate it so much, just stop reading instead of commenting on every chapter just to talk about how much you hate it to try and make other people miserable too. The world does NOT need more negativity right now, especially when it comes to things people read for fun.

The 'new translator' (the Chads have been doing this for YEARS during which you apparently forgot about the manga entirely) doesn't suck- I'll gladly vouch for them as someone raised by not one but TWO English majors and is very picky about grammar. The Chads picked this up because the original translator you so desperately miss (I believe it was DrMario) dropped it without warning after several years of BARELY translating anything. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have ANYTHING, let alone such a good quality translation.

So, as someone else said- if you hate the translator that much, go read the raws, and let the rest of us enjoy the manga in peace.

last edited at Mar 20, 2023 10:33PM

I loved this chapter so much! These two are my FAVORITE pairing- I love how Yumimi is totally soft for Nononon. She almost changes into a different character, compared to her usual chill/laidback behavior.

Side note, I also loved both Mariri and Mayuyu's logic spirals, especially the latter xD I love those two as well- Mayuyu is such an airhead, and Mariri's much more chill (she's almost like a mini-Yumimi). I think based on Mariri's behavior she knows she at least has a little crush on Mayuyu, but I think Mayuyu is totally oblivious. Those two will be really interesting to watch, too!

nononon fell first, but maybe yumimi fell harder

I LOVE that idea!!