@sia

She did it the moment she told Seju she stole it. So she clearly didn't believe Sungji's "forget" act

And lol, if Sumin apologize for 'acusing' her then that's one way I'll believe I'm wrong.

But yeah, this is really going no where lol.

@Sia

Chill, it's just a prediction, not an interpretation. It's normal to get a prediction wrong, but that doesn't stop anyone from trying. And if you can't wait to point me wrong, then at least leave behind what's right.

And well, according to Sumin it was an act

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@Sia

Same as Sungji pretending to just notice that she doesn't have the ring anymore when she went to speak to Sumin. But for her it was just an act cause she didn't want to tell Sumin that Seju straight out stole it.

I'm really tired now, I've pretty much become aware that this is going nowhere, hence why I wanted to go back under my little rock. Until next chapter with the scarf stealing assassin. And no, this is not a joke

@Ken

Owky docky. Lol. No wonder you're so worked up. And I said, " .....get thrown out Like a used condom and let her die from self starvation" not that that's any better, but it's waaay different. But in my defense, I've probably said worse things about her in mangago(and it's no secret), hence why I've said it's better to take the entertainment there.

And sorry I called your friend's argument "imaginary". My bad...my bad

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Such a shame that because of some people, the forum has lost its interesting point which is talking and discussing about the story, now its full of silly arguments over some imaginary scenes.

Should've just ignored them, not worth debating, not worth talking to those who are just come here for the sake of "in the name of discussing, I'm going to against the world, uphold my reputation and have fun".
Ignore is the best solution.

I hope they go back under their little rock then. As always, the counter arguments they're getting are too detailed and leaving their silly arguments with no sense...no sense at all.

But it's okay now.....I think they're gone for a while.....I hope no one brings them back....Maybe they'll come back here in the MAIN wdtfs forum I mean Pinky admiration sub-thread to give their imaginary arguments later. So for now, let's just have a peaceful time.... peacefully

@Ken

I don't think that was meant for you. But lol, well said though.

@Ken

Lol. I don't know if you just 'ran' yourself into a conner over there, but really now, that's not my problem. So I don't know what "way" I'm supposed to find or if it's mine to find at all. But like I said, mangago is not such a bad place, no PG lifestyle or vocabulary to worry about, and we can have aaall the fun we want. So mangago we can go, or forever hold your​ peace.

And besides, if it's me, I'm sure they'll be very understanding.

@Yoonie

Haha. Imaginary version is quite the unwanted child of the house.

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@Ken

Ah ken. Where is the love now.

Well...as I've said, not here, Mangago. You might get attacked, but I'll get attacked too. So all is fair imo. And besides, it's not like we'll get interrupted by a moderate over there. So come on now, let's be reasonable...Kenny

@Ken

Calm down Kenny. Let's not make love here. I for one, have been in my best of my manners here. I've avoided meaningless squabbles so I've got a veeery good reputation here and my manners of conduct have received universal acclaim. In mangago they know we're both nutheads, so really now, it's not like we can sink any lower to them by getting kinky in public.

@Moderator

Thanks for the heads-up. More reason to always best behave.

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@Sia

Hahahaha. And so I've seen. But I hope you can warm up to it as well.

@Ken

Okay okay. Take your time buddy. But I responded to you indirectly on mangago, cause it would be easier to settle our... . misunderstandings there. Cause even I try to behave the best I can here. Cause even though it looks like the main wdtfs thread on the outside, it's actually a secret Seju-admiration sub-thread. So a Seju hater like me is not welcomed​, thus why it's important to best behave. But please, do halla at me on mangago. We can talk much freely there

@yoonie

Lmao. You were on your own little planet there sweety

@Ken

Lol. We'll have a great time I bet, mgg I hope.

@Sia

Can't wait to see that art then

@Yoonie

The incident I'm talking about happened when Sumin injured her finger while sharpening her weapons for Sungji after she visited her during her parents death anniversary. Not sure which chapter, but yeah around that time. After her plans failed and Sungji just ended up embracing her, Sungji noticed the cut when Sumin was asleep and put a bandaid on that finger which then caused problems between Sumin and Seju's....meal time since Sumin was very protective it. Sumin just ended up saying she was not on form and went to sleep. Seju ended up actually removing that bandage and placing another one instead, but Sumin put it back on and that's why it was messy when she met Sungji again.

See much better.

And apparently she didn't throw it. And also check the conversation they had in that backflash, it's interesting.

@Ken

Not cool. You almost made me spill my drink there, kiddo

@Sia

I said she "replaced" it.

Okay, sorry to intrude on these lovely in Rome moments we're having here

@Sia

Chapter 14...check it out, awaken your inner Sherlock.

@Es0teric

Unfortunately, my argument can not be dispaced with a simple head shake as most seem to be trying to do. I for one think it's absolutely spot on. I also knew it was going to be brought up again no matter how long. There's a reason Sumin also didn't believe Sungji simple "Forget" explanation. Sumin may apologize for the scarf (though I don't see why she should) but she will never apologize for the ring cause that was spot on.

@Ken

Welcome aboard. Hope we can enjoy each other's company... . despite our very visible differences.

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And arguments about the ring....apparently.

It felt more like a funny traffic stop fufufu

Well, it's not like Sumin accused her of stealing it, she just told her she had a reason(very good one) to doubt her. So even if she did found it in the car, I don't think Sumin should feel bad about it since she told her she had a reason to doubt her and didn't actually accuse her. But like I said, princess waaaaaaay overreacted....imo.

But I'm more interested in the assassin story though. Who knows, maybe the assassin took it. Maybe she's actually inside, with them, and Sumin is the one in danger(whatever danger means in a triangle yuri drama). Seriously though, maybe Sumin is the one left in 'danger' alone in that house. Maybe someone has not been following them, maybe someone has been with them and they stole the scarf for their... twisted amusement. I also noticed in the porno haystack that is 81 that Sungji's t-shirt that Sumin threw on the bag wasn't there when the phone rang. Since the assassin said she know her weakness, it would make sense for her to be there too...plus since she seems​ to have a talent for, inviting herself in. Lol...maybe I'm just taking this Sherlock thingy too far, but knowing this manhwa, maybe I'm not.

@leeyon

Cause you said I shouldn't be a doctor just because I said I've never placed a wet towel on a patient's forehead.

I asked cause I was curious if it's a thing other doctors do to their patients. Cause I've really never done that to mine.

@Leeyoon

Well, has a doctor ever placed a wet towel on your forehead?

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@hlama

Fufufufu. Today is so much fun.

Well, if it was falling I'm sure it would make more sense to just put it back properly.

And thanks for the tip, though I've never placed a wet towel on a patient's​ forehead. But hey, there's a first time for everything.

Okay, it looks like everyone is having fun.

@Nora

Lol you missed my point. I can see what you're trying to tell me, but you didn't see what I'm try tell you. Look at the pannels....which I unfortunately don't know how to insert.

Go back to what I said. I said after Sungji put the bowl on the stand, we had a 3 pannels. Before even the 3 pannels just look at the position at which that bowl is placed, that it is so close to Seju's side and the way that pannel is drawn shows something is going to happen on that particular side. The 3 pannels, 1 the bowl on the stand, 2 Sumin ring on her finger, 3 the bowl on the stand. Then she excuses herself.

Next pannel she unbuttoned​ her(lol....how naughty). Next pannel Seju opens her eyes and she looks at Sumin. Next pannel Sungji is holdin Seju's hand (which might or might not be the hand holding the ring judging from their position and the fact that her fist is clenched). Wait okay...now I think I saw how she actually did it. When Sungji was unbuttoning her, the next pannel didn't show Seju opening her eyes, it showed Seju's eyes already opened so she was already looking at her when she was... occupied. The next pannel with Sungji​ holding Seju's hand is actually the hand that was close to the ring. She is clenching her fist cause that is infact, the hand that has the ring....damn, I've got a little Sherlock's in me. Okay carrying on.

The next pannel is Seju closing her eyes because the position Sungji was in was looking directly at her. Look at the speech bubbles, they tell a story on their own about her... unconscious state. Next pannel we have the bowl alone but we weren't shown wether or not the ring is still beside. Next pannel, we have a side view of Seju and Sungji. Look at Sungji's expression, that is the pannel she noticed the ring's absence. The next pannel she looked DIRECTLY at Seju who is pretending to be sleeping. The next pannel is Sungji from her backview as if she is turning away in disappointment telling her she should go to the hospital when she's sick. The next pannel she carries on with the conversation, and ends up telling her if there's​ anyone who can worry about her and hold her hand then she should call them. Then the next pannel is Sungji​ and we have Seju mumble. The next pannel the 'uncouncious' Seju responded with Sumin. Then the next pannel we have Sungji.

And Then we have that last one. The one where she said I wish the president would not be jeolous I mean hurting so much. There is everyone's big IT IS THERE. The ring is there, but as I've said before, those are just words she left behind, cause the pannel shows the towel in the bowl even though just previously it was on Seju's forehead while she was responding I mean mumbling. This just shows it is no longer on Seju's forehead so time has actually passed​ by. About her waking up and noticing it, it's just a cover up to reduce reader's suspicions...well done author. Well done.

I also think Sumin knew that Seju stole the ring because of Sungji's own uneasiness the next chapter when they were making out and Sungji looking uneasy asked Sumin where she was going, and Sumin looking puzzled​ then told her to turn off the lights. I guess she connected the dots in then end about what was causing Sungji's uneasiness that night. Smart girl.

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@roamsl: hahaha, good one. You got me there. Well in my defense she did say towel though, buts thanks.

@Foxy

The incident I'm talking about happened when Sumin injured her finger while sharpening her weapons for Sungji after she visited her during her parents death anniversary. Not sure which chapter, but yeah around that time. After her plans failed and Sungji just ended up embracing her, Sungji noticed the cut when Sumin was asleep and put a bandaid on that finger which then caused problems between Sumin and Seju's....meal time since Sumin was very protective it. Sumin just ended up saying she was not on form and went to sleep. Seju ended up actually removing that bandage and placing another one instead, but Sumin put it back on and that's why it was messy when she met Sungji again. But thank god Sungji had plenty of backup. My point here is this, Seju has a....habit of taking things. So that is why her taking that ring is not surprising and that is why, Sumin is also weary to suspect her of the scarf as well. Wether she took it or not, well that's another story.

@Leeyoon

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed. I didn't put those things there, the author did. So either you can tell me where you think I'm wrong, or you can say nothing but remain in denial while having this funny little mental breakdown. I'm not attacking her, I know this cause I've done it enough times to know when I'm doing it. Here I'm just saying what I'm seeing and if you think I'm wrong, then please, do tell me. If you love Seju then that's good, but if you love the Seju-who-even-stole-the-ring then that's even better. Much much better. Cause that infact, is the real Seju. Not this innocent blameless victim you made up and are trying desperately to protect from even the very truth.

@sie ue
Let's call 911. Oops. I forgot their number.

@Foxy....again

Wait right there, let me go ask Sheldon

Conclusion:

SEJU STOLE THAT RING. PLEASE. JUST. LET. IT. SINK. IN.

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Bandage : a strip of woven material used to bind up a wound or to protect an injured part of the body

So much goes on here and it's kinda hard to follow along, so I'll just be swing posting when I can.

@Nora

Scarface

HereI don't think we're talking about the same thing. I was talking about wether she had seen the scars or not, not know about the details. This was the argument I once had. Wether Sungji knows about the existence of the scars underneath the tattoo, and my argument was that yes she knew. She just doesn't know then story of it.

The Unsecret Crush

Dawoon and Sungji, the childhood friends. Dawoon was Sungji's childhood friend, someone whom Sungji was very close to. She confessed to Sungji, but Sungji never replied. The reason I believe she never replied is because she didn't want to lose her as a friend. Remember what she told Nami(65), that everyone who ever liked her left. She was telling this to Nami cause she was wondering how Nami and Sumin could still be close to each other when Nami had feelings for her. Remember what she told Sumin earlier, that she has had around 66 people in her life who confessed to her. So when she said they left it had to mean they had to once be affiliated with her cause people who leave you are people close to you in one form or another. Not just amatuer pick-up boys you meet on the train, hence why she even remembers such a high number. Number 67 would have to be Choigun. Cause after he was rejected he was trying to keep his distance from her even though they got along very well, so I believe such similar scenes had been happening through out​ her life. So she just didn't want for Dawoon to leave her too, cause they were pretty close, and that was shown with them riding together in that bike with Sungji embracing her which showed closeness to the point of even looking like lovers. So I believe she didn't want to reject her cause she still wanted to remain close to her. That's why after Dawoon got rejected and told her I guess they won't be seeing​ each other, Sungji asked her if they can't still be friends cause she doesn't understand why she had​ to leave just because she has feelings for her. Dawoon told the teary Sungji that it's because humans feel hurt when they can't have the ones​ they like. So I believe she didn't want to answer her cause she didn't want this very scene to happen. Cause it had already happen a lot of times since we saw all those different people who confessed leaving her after she rejected them(chapter???...you'll be seeing a lot of these). So she knew she might also leave, and since she went to an allgirl middle school, she knows​ that girls leave too.

Also I said before, Dawoon was a chance for Sungji to see wether or not she would pull a Sumin. In 65, Nami told Sungji that, there are many who couldn't let go and ended up ruining their whole life (we know who this is). She told Sungji that you are wise, gotta end what's supposed to be ended. Here she was straight out giving her a warning. Don't repeat Sumin's mistakes, and Dawoon in the very next chapter could have been the trigger for that cycle if they did end up dating. But that's a topic for another day.

Lord of the Ring

To be honest, even though looking at the surface it does look like Sungji just forgot about it. But since I see things from not the best seju perspective I would like to be like the non-believing team leader here and say that she stole it. But yeah, I'm quite aware of how wrong I could be here, but you know, sometimes​ you just gotta let the 'love' flow through you. Looking at that chapter in itself and knowing this manhwa, I don't think things are as straight forward as Sungji just forgetting it.

In that chapter with Seju sick(53), Sungji went away to take a towel. Before she left, there was a panel with the bowel, then of sungji's hand with the ring, then of bowel with the ring​ beside. Sorry I can't post the panels myself. I'm kinda new to this forum thingy and I have no clue where to even start. When Sungji came back she went straight to work on Seju(lol, somehow this sounded nice). When she was busy working on her, Seju opened her eyes and saw Sungji FOCUSED on her arm and when she went towards her neck she closed her eyes again pretending to be unconscious. Then we had similar panels to what we had in the beginning. We had the bowel alone in that full panel but we weren't shown wether or not the ring is still next to it like at first. Then we saw Sungji's face looking a bit numb, then she looked at Seju, the next pannel is Sungji with her head almost looking like it's turned away in disappointment when she told Seju that when she's sick she needs to go to the hospital. I for one think she noticed that the ring is now gone when she looked numb in that panel with the speach bubbles. At then end Sungji said if there was someone who can worry for her and hold her hand then Seju can call them. Then the 'sleeping' Seju said Sumin and that's when we had that last panel that could counter everything I've just said. When she said that I wish that President could not be hurting so much, we saw again the bowel and the ring. So this should mean all is well and Seju is innocent, just a bit misunderstood and unbelieved. Shame on you team leader!.

OH BUT WAIT!!! In that last panel we don't see both Sungji and Seju and the bowel and the ring​ next to each other. I think in this panel she had already left, and what we have here is the after-panel and those words were said before that pannel in picture. The reason why I believe this was an after time pannel is that the towel is in the bowel, not on Seju's forehead like it was before. So for me this implied that time had passed​, Sungji was gone, and things didn't happen simultaneously....OR Sungji just forgot it there. I'm sorry, but for me that would just be inconsistent with her character cause this girl almost recklessly ran to retrieve that cellphone on the busy road and just because it had a picture of her with Sumin, so to think she would carelessly forget it there is something I can't fathom. Maybe she left it there on purpose, but I really don't see the reason why she would, and all the 'evidence' are pointing elsewhere. I think the event of the ring was pre-shadowed​ by the bandage incident. So yes, just like Sumin, I can't believe the "Forgot" story, cause there was something else happening in those pannels. So Seju, is guilty af imo.

@Foxy lady

About Nami, yeah that thing she did was low, but I think that's the only thing I see eye to eye with most people here. I really like her though. She's​ the 3rd seeing eye, she knows everything that's happening and she sees through everyone(though got one upped by blondie). I just find her interesting and fun, but like I said, I'm sure I won't be seeing eye to eye with everyone on this one.

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Just want to get in a bit

@Leeyoon.

I for one thinks she overreacted a bit. Okay lol. Not a nice way to start. It was not right to suspect her(though she did act a bit guilty, just sayin), but Sumin had her reasons for doing so. She had already done something like this twice before. With the bandage, and with the ring. So it was reasonable​, though not right, to suspect her cause she has had a little bit of history, with taking things that belong to Sungji. When there's a theft case in the neighborhood, it's more 'reasonable', though not right, to suspect the guy with the prison record. We can say he has changed, but so far I don't think Sumin has seen the reason why(Just Sumin doe)

As for why she left. I think she was frustrated. Wether it's a frustration from being found guilty or being infact innocent I think is not important. I would not say it was the sight of Sumin not on her side, especially at such a time. I think this was the first time we've seen Sumin go against her directly like this. Before it had always been about them, but now she was going against her for a something that wasn't even about them, so she was 'standing' on someone's side at such a time. Sumin also appeared to not even want to do it cause she even said she can return it if it's just a joke, so she was trying to give her an opening to return it(if she did). Sumin had always stood up for her. Especially after those family get-togethers. So the sight of Sumin on her like that must have gotten to her, hence why she blew up and left. Cause Sumin no longer wants live with a her, well, that's according to her.

And also, I'm curious about why Seju had been "enduring" "insults" from Nami. Cause I might have missed something here. I'm just curious cause I like Nami a lot, and I'm wondering what I missed.

@Yoonie
Attagirl!!. But you seem to be misunderstanding what I find "boring". It's not the respectful​ manner of communication I would have to comply to, its the #b*tchhate mangago-level vocabulary I would have to tone down. Cause yes, that indeed was...fun. Very fun.

@popointhemoomoo_12
I find this to be nice. But quite in need of a....different perspective

@sia ue
Hahaha. It's actually funny when you say it. But since it's you I know you seem to take things quiet literal and get touchy feely sometimes, and I just end up feeling....a bit complicated

@Yoonie
Oh dear me. It seems I pressed a few wrong buttons. Fufufufu. Listen, honey, I wasn't here to "put a few things right". I knew a lot opinion(s) would arise when I decided to proudly run my #SejuIsB*tch campaign, but yeah, I kinda find them irrevelevent and just add more to my entertainment. I was just skimming through them, so I didn't even notice who said and didn't say what. A few things, or people​ just caught my interest. So sowwy for my, 'misconceptions'. My "let the blind..." Comment is actually funny. Well at least to me. It means if you find 2 people who you think are wrong in their arguments, just let them be. Which I was planning to do, hence I peace out when I left. But you just had to pull me back into this didn't you. And Seju is the star hey, hahaha lucky girl.

@EsOteric
I for one hate her. If she was real I would drive her over with a bus, while enjoying a hot dog and listening to a cheesy Taylor Swift song. And I bet I wouldn't even spill a drop of ketchup. #Boss. And it does look like there's a shortage of me's(toned down version). So I think I'll stay. But don't worry, I will try to keep this as PG rated as I can, so I'll keep my #SejuIsB*tch vocabulary to a reasonable level...by my own standards​ that is.

@popointhemoomoo_12
Lol. I like how you write. I imagine this is exactly how "The Dude" would type, so chilled.

@Nora89
Gotta admit though, after reading the last few pages here I've concluded that you seem to be the most observative, and seem to take things as they're presented and seem the least to add you're own opinion on things without at least some back up evidence. In short, you always try to play it safe. Cause even now, even though I can't I agree with you on somethings I can't seem to point my finger at any specific thing and shout forged cause as I say, you know your stuff and you like to play it safe. And you also seem to be quite level headed. Cause after my comment you just ignored me and let me go in peace. Hahaha, kinda dope gotta admit.

Since I want to get in the party, there's one thing I can't say. That I have time to go back and look for the pricise chapter since I was just snapping​ most scenes I found important.

Back in mangago I had been in a few debates(no lol, not those ones) which never reached conclusions cause the anonymous's always leave me dry. But here is a few points from there I think are important and would like to know your opinions and what my opinion on them are:
Sungji doesn't know about the scar - she does and she always did. She's quite perceptive. Equal or second to Nami
Sungji doesn't know Sumin - She does oh so well. It's the details that had alluded her but mostly because she told Sumin she won't ask her about her secrets.
Sumin had a crush on Dawoon - False. She was just a childhood friend and an opportunity for Sungji to pull a, Sumin. If you know what I mean.
Seju didn't steal the ring - She did. Sungji wouldn't​ forget something like that. And it's also important we saw her take it off through Seju's eyes. The guilty party(PG rated...I think I can do this)
........
Seju is just inlove - False, she's just a straightout b-b-bae who's a bit misunderstood....(Iol I'm just messing around here, so don't give your opinion on this one. It's not very necessary to point this out, but I've learned that it actually iiiiis necessary)

Anyway. Yeah sure, I will respond in a respectful manner. But I won't always say what you always like to hear​. But, I can at least promise it won't be mangago level. Boooring yes, but I'll manage. The doctor is onboard. Yey!!!

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