The whole last part with them LITERALLY HARASSING Nanase wouldn't even happen without the shitty forced writing by the author. Nanase was already about to leave but Fuuko went "Where u goin? Stay, lol" and she randomly did? Shit lost all impact at this point, LMAO

this is called ntr logic a very dumb doujin trope where the author makes the character who is cheated on become supernaturally naive to the extent their intelligence is stripped away from them.this is why girlfriend-chan cant find the right words,why she is allowing the cucking to occur,and why the cheaters somehow are in the right.

This chapter really did just jump head first into fetish. This feels indistinguishable from an NTR doujin right now.

So I like this a lot actually, even if the ending feels the need to drive the message home a little too hard to consider what would be more satisfying. Literally nothing would have to change for them to live together, it'd be fine so them being direct neighbors is a little funny all things considered.

Thinking about it, I feel like the better effect could have been achieved by having them have that exact same "Well, goodnight!" moment going into different rooms in the same apartment, rather than neighbouring ones. I think I would have been happier with that.

Yeah, I really feel that. Especially since it'd really push forward the idea that Yuriko can actually trust being in the same apartment as Matoi without being worried about her making any advancements. And since it just would be more convenient for the both of them for a number of reasons. Like this, it feels like she can't trust being in the same room as her, despite it being a major plot point earlier that she does.

last edited at Apr 29, 2022 6:09PM

This kind of just reinforces to me personally that having a legitimate aromantic character be a lead in a romance story just doesn't really work with the genre. I feel like you'd be better off doing a biographical type story, drama, comedy, or slice of life. Pushing it into a romantic narrative by its nature is just going to let people down given the climax people are always hoping for in a romantic story is always well... Romance. So, you end up with an anti-climax for that whole narrative. I liked a lot of the story, and did like seeing an aromantic lead, but ultimately feel it would have done a lot better with a different genre.

ughhh it’s 2021 when are we gonna get an really well done BDSM yuri manga and not some underage girls more deep in BDSM that any bloody adults is!!(abd the weird consent shit, do no author that makes BDSM manga have ever heard of bloody consent?) and make it adult for F sakes! I really like Nana to kaoru or whatever the name was but I need YURI!

P.S: I did read sunstone, need something as good or even better T^T

Candy Moon was about adults, but it was also dubious consent. Same author funnily enough. Dubious consent and BDSM fantasy novels just go hand in hand so its pretty common and usually outnumbers consenting BDSM fantasy.

If you want something consensual and adult though, there is a VN that isn't bad called LadyKiller in a Bind if you can get past the art that is available on Steam. There is dubious consent in the game, but if I recall correctly you can do the main romance options playing the protagonist as consenting and enjoying the ride.

I'm getting a bit tired of the "I can make you gay", I feel it kinda invalidates everything.
Showing her two girls can go out together? Yes, it's fine. Telling her you can turn her into a lesbian... uggghhhh

I'm pretty sure that's not what is going on here. Miss Popular blurting odd and somewhat homophobic remarks out of nowhere such as, "I don't see how two girls could ever date, etc." just hit the Blonde Beauty's gaydar like a 10 megaton bomb and she's both into the chick and wants to call her out on her bluff.

If it's one thing I've learned in life it's that most clichés have some basis in reality and one of the better bets is the most closeted gay person in the room is the screaming homophobe. Certainly not every bigot is gay, but I think most of us are pretty good at spotting the difference between the ones that are.

In this case we already know her gaydar pinged true since we get see all the MC's thoughts about how sexy she thinks this girl is. Chances are if you sit around thinking about how sexy people of the same sex are then you probably aren't completely strait.

Yeah, this is just an example from my own life, but in my Christian High School we had a group of girls that said tons of homophobic shit about lesbians in class openly in public all the time. I found out after the fact that they have had more sex with other women than they ever had with guys in high school, and during stagette one of them were apparently trying to find me (I didn't go), because there were rumors that I was gay.

Badis sounds like one of those approved exceptions briefly mentioned in the How to radicalize a normie episode of the Alt-Right Playbook (a video series by a certain left-of-center guy Ian Danskin explaining the rhetorical tactics used by the Alt-Right. Ian ain't an expert, but he does his homework).

Instead of saying "oh she's like this she's like that"
How about having arguments maybe ?

That's how you win a debate, not by shaming people with random words, by counterargument them

Yeah...even that I have to explain it to you seems like :d

Literally the video series that is being referenced described the Alt-Right playbook as being very dependent on debate, and now you are demanding people to debate you, you doofus.

Kanojo ni Naritai.is a bit different, because it all happens in a single school, but actually, I'm not interested in stories about LGBT communities.

While I understand the need for some people to group up for protection, the whole concept of "communities", whatever group they are (black, white, gay, latino, christian, jewish, muslim, abc, trans, all of the above, whatever...) looks like a failure to me. Even the flags irk me. It reeks of nationalism. And nationalism is war.

I know that the model of the American/English society is built on communities, but it looks like apartheid to me. It's a model built on distrust. It looks comfortable, at first, because you're among people who share your worldview, but these communities are doomed to oppose each other because isolation leads to groupthink and incomprehension. As intelligent beings and part of he same species, we should be able to live and let live together, whatever the background, identity, or sexual preference. We should have grown out of the tribe mentality.

Now, I sound idealistic and in contradiction with my previous rant about how these manga are angelic, but what I have a problem with is the concept of "people of the same feather flock together" and how it somehow is something positive in the long run and it solves problems. These people help each other, but at the same time, they isolate themselves from the "other". This, in return, leads to hostility from narrow minded people from all sides who feel threatened by the "alien" community. We have seen here numerous times that some LGBTQ+ people can be as intolerant as anyone when it comes to other lifestyles, especially when they feel secure in their group. Lesbians hating on trans, trans hating on cis, gay hating on bi, etc...

I don't have a magical solution to these problems, but I'm sure as hell that communitarianism isn't one.

I mean, just for reference, my friend group at high school ended up being 70% LGBT people. We didn't group up specifically because we thought that the others in the group were, since we were all closeted. It just kinda happened since we were all uncomfortable teens, and were all sympathetic to each other. Including the straight people in our friend group who were bullied for another reason or just really hated bullying. That isn't really basing our friendship on our community it just happened. Though, I guess in favor of your argument, none of us came out until either our senior year or later. Maybe it would have been a good thing if we weren't pressured to be closeted in the same vein though and we could have been open with each other like in some of these series so that we could have educated others and broke down barriers so there would be less groupthink and communities like the goal of many of these series.

I guess until a magical solution is found, I'm probably still gonna be more comfortable going to gay bars so I don't have to worry about a drunk guy getting mad at me for holding hands with my girlfriend and throwing glass at me.

last edited at Oct 7, 2019 9:49AM

What I have a beef with is that it's yet again a manga with a catalog of LGBTQ+ people, all conveniently grouped in a single place, who are, conveniently again, learning about how to be comfortable with themselves, and are, conveniently, receiving life-lessons from various nice people. Nothing wrong per se with that, but it's a bit angelic.

And too forced.

Conflicts are magically resolved, bigoted people who spit in the face of, or beat up gay couples because they dared to kiss basically don't exist. A few dialogs and lo, everyone becomes tolerant, or discover their own identity. Gay people attempting suicide or losing their home doesn't seem to be a thing. "All you need is love and understanding!" (cue for a frog to play a mandolin and sing)

As if... we are talking about Japanese society here. Not really a gay friendly society.

Fukakai na Boku no Subete o
Kanojo ni Naritai.
Giniro no Genders
Shimanami Tasogare

They are all trying to be all inclusive and somehow gay friendly. They come off, to me as, "these deviant people aren't stable psychologically and tend to gather together. Beware, they are among us! Try to understand them..."

Bleh... this is just my opinion/feeling. If you enjoy this manga, more power to you.

I feel like you may just have a weird view toward series like this. Not every series needs to have dreary elements about the LGBT identity. I do understand that it can seem disingenuous when it is nothing but positives and done in a way to show such things as flawless or without issue, but not all art needs to be in the middle ground and show both. Some can be intense tragedies that highlight all the awful, and some can be comedies that show nothing but the good, and some can be a mix of both. Just like in baseline yuri having both exist are important. I don't see how it gives off the impression that the people portrayed in a positive way in these series are deviants or aren't psychologically stable since it more seems to be series that are a trend lately of presenting LGBT individuals in a positive and empathetic light. As well... While Japan is a lot worse for how they treat the LGBT identity than it is in many other places, there are still a lot of people in the LGBT community trying to change that and putting a foot forward to make things better. To just portray Japan as a horrid homophobic and transphobic place completely invalidates those efforts and the good people there trying to be better, so series like these are just as needed as the tragic ones as a glimpse into what good the future could bring. Should this be all we see? No, of course not, there should always be a variety of series portraying a wide range of views. Are some of these series preachy in their themes and messages? A bit, but not everyone can get subtle themes and messages and require things that are more blunt since there are people who read Frankenstein and think the monster is not sympathetic.

I also find it weird you mentioned Shimanami Tasogare, considering that series specifically has homophobic and transphobic characters in it, as well as portraying a hate crime by having people spray paint and mess up their building in the series.

As far as the whole, grouping a large section of LGBTQ+ people in one place conveniently... I'm not sure my experience is really universal, but given I have heard that many others are the same, LGBTQ+ people generally just group up due to it being a safe option? Those who have experienced discrimination will be more likely to be with others who experience the same. Most of my friend groups are a majority of LGBTQ+ people and identities, it is not that I don't have straight and cisgender friends, but generally it is easier to relate and make friends with others who are sympathetic to me. Especially in places that are safe toward me and my friends that are marked as LGBTQ+ friendly such as gay bars and pride buildings in the city. So presenting that isn't really an odd thing since a lot of people in the community I talk to are similar in that fact?

The only one I'd agree with you on for presenting LGBT people as deviants would be Ginrio because that has some big porn vibes coming off of it.

It's family pressure, Asians family and the communities itself are pretty tight, there are the good and the bad that comes with it. Most of them who are married don't look for love, they just look start a stable family, they might love their significant other, but not "in love" and that's enough for them. Being Asian and traditionalist myself, I would most likely get married to a guy and settle down; despite being bi.

I wouldn't even say it is exclusive to Asian families and communities. One of my best friends is in a relationship like that, with a guy who is fine with her having flings with a ton of girls because she prefers girls so much more to guys. She just kind of gave up on having a real relationship with another girl because she had a few who didn't treat the relationship seriously, despite her track record with guys up until this last one being just as bad. Which seems kind of weird to me, as one of her best friends, who is currently in a happy lesbian relationship next to her, but it was her choice really. It can happen outside of Asian Communities for different reasons really, but they probably are the ones who have this happen more often compared to others.

I think Misaki's situation is getting "lost in translation" so to speak. Being an AKB48 fan, I think I can understand where she's coming from. Misaki's close friendship with Ayane is part of her "character," the way she presents herself to her fans. It's like the friendship between Mayuyu and Yukirin from AKB, to name an example you can google. Can you imagine what would happen if Mayuyu suddenly stopped being close with Yukirin? It would definitely have a negative impact on her career as an idol, since that friendship is part of her "character." Likewise, Misaki can't really stop being close to Ayane. The only possible solution would be to quit, which is why Misaki says Nagisa basically wanted her to quit being an idol.

I mean, it is healthy to be honest about your relationship. Talking is really critical. If you can't talk about a nightmare you had where your partner died, or that you are worried they will cheat on you then it is unlikely it would last. While those are inherently childish fears, the idea is that they can easily be dismissed, "I won't die!", or, "I will never cheat on you! I love you!" Are simple enough to say. Like the first time where Misaki did it with a kiss. Instead it went immediately to, "You want me to quit my job?!" the second time. Nagisa was laying it on a bit thick, but the fear was reasonable. If it was portrayed as something that was going on for a month instead of a week or two then I would say that Nagisa is fully in the wrong. Though, I am still in the camp where I am thinking it was more of a, "Can you stay further away from Ayane off of work?" Kind of thing.

The second issue is, how much of a pushover you want to be? Like, I know that dating an Idol is hard, same with an actress as you said, but if you let your partner go completely unchallenged doing all manner of thing without showing any signs of jealousy, it is going to come off that you don't really care about them. It is a tricky situation where you have to balance understanding and passion.