^ Finally some IRL yuri on this site.

Even including the nonsensical "Since we are both girls" cliche. Brilliant.

Thing is that stories barely ever go that direction. Like this one, vampires are usually the exception.

I meant when people discuss how being immortal would suck, they think about only them being immortal. I think about it in context of entire mankind reaching immortality or at least eternal youth, Only death by accident or murder. Then the whole "constantly losing everyone and feeling like I don't belong" is no longer a issue.

I got that... and I explained why that solution adds a variety of new issues that are even worse.

If Vampires really existed, they should cover the earth, since biting someone is supposed to turn them. Oh, right, this is the theme of 'I am Legend".

In 99% of vampire fiction the "turning" is a conscious action, not an unavoidable side effect. Most vampires obviously don't want to turn their victims into fellow vampires. That would result in more competition and more unpredictable loose ends. After all the only thing a vampire usually fears is something holy or another vampire.

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That's exactly what happened. Hino said if Koguma let go of her hand then won't go to the class. This is an ultimatum, which immediately makes the whole thing creepy, regardless of what Koguma wants. I know the whole manga is supposed to be a joke. I also know that Hino never did anything with an ill intention. That's why I didn't complain when she did pretty questionable things before. But chapter 31 was very fetish-y and bordered on bullying rather than harmless teasing. Invading people's privacy when they pee and when they are clearly reluctant? Come on Hino, you can do better as a decent human being.

However, I am not dropping this manga yet, since Hino apologized in the next chapter. She seemed to be genuinely sorry about what she did, and probably won't do it again. I still don't like her, but I'm willing to give her a chance.

The "ultimatum" only extended towards holding hands towards the classroom. The bathroom part was not mandatory, as Hino already said Koguma should let go. Even further, when Koguma was too uncomfortable Hino let go of the hand, ending the "ultimatum" (what an overdramatic word for something far less sinister). From that point onward, everything was on Koguma.

Sure it's creepy, but if that's her fetish... All I'm defending here is that fact that Koguma wasn't forced into anything and Hino NEVER said anything about "Let me go into the stall with you or else". That was never part of any deal.

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This chapter made me very uncomfortable. "Let me go to the bathroom stall with you or else"

That's not what happened.

Koguma has shown several times that she is quite capable of it. And I already shot a hole into the coercion thing.

A tiny meaningless hole but sure. If you power on over someone's hesitance because "They didn't say no" especially if part of why they didn't say no is because you've given them an ultimatum then there's no consent. Period. It's not a shades of grey issue. Consent isn't "Not no" it's "Yes."

But yeah I'm dropping this, Hino is officially just kind of repulsive to me at this point.

Hino hasn't done anything aside from saying they should hold hands together. She let go of Koguma's hand when she saw that it was too much for her. Koguma could have told her to leave, without repercussions at that point as she already let go of her hand, yet didn't. When Koguma told her to cover her ears she did.

Literally all the power is on Koguma's side, with Hino only having the "I won't go to class" card as a starter.
If there are no consequences, not saying she should leave is just her own fault at that point. Read the chapters again carefully and this becomes blatantly obvious.

EDIT:
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/hino_san_no_baka_ch30#6
In this scene Hino quite blatantly tells her to just let go and do it on her own. She is giving her every out. In the first place the whole bathroom thing was more of a joke suggestion, but Koguma doesn't refuse. As I mentioned before, she seems to be pushing as far as she can to find out when Kgouma will finally push her away, even though she is afraid of that too.
The only thing you can blame Hino for is being opportunistic.

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non-consensual implies Koguma said no

It's 2019, don't you know "she didn't say no" is extremely out of vogue? She was coerced into doing it.

Koguma has shown several times that she is quite capable of it. And I already shot a hole into the coercion thing.

Really the problem wasn't just using the toilet together, but rather the fact that it was nonconsensual crosses some serious red lines.

Non-consensual implies Koguma said no. But she didn't. The only thing she told Hino was to close her ears and she did.
As usual, Koguma is cornering herself. HIno can't and won't force her into anything. We all know that the moment Koguma says no, Hino'd back off like she has been hit with a battering iron.

EDIT: Although the situation can be somewhat interpreted as extortion (what with "I wont go to class unless you do X") it is simply not something with actual stakes. Hino skipping a few classes will not make her repeat a year just yet, so Koguma has not much to lose from refusing when she realy wants to.

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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but none of the things all of you mentioned remotely apply to A Room For Two. That formula might be a bit defective.

@Fairypixie24 I think BV was refering to the "offensive" comment. That was a bit over the top.

Well I think the issue would be somewhat lessened if everyone was immortal, not just you. When I think about immortality, I think about one we all would reach with science, not just individual person.

Thing is that stories barely ever go that direction. Like this one, vampires are usually the exception.

Though I want to mention that "common immortality" brings its own troubles. If nobody dies anymore, there would have to be prohibitions on reproduction, because overpopulation would go completely out of control. Death is a very necessary factor to keep the balance in our universe. And if no new life can be born, then a huge aspect of human psychology would die off. The will to pass something on or to raise offspring is integral. Not everyone needs it, but that certainly would take away many people's drive to continue on.

^ Not to necessarily excuse the premise, but sleep deprivation is known to result in hallucinations.

Yes, but normally these are visual hallucinations, sensory ghosts created during a liminal phase of conciousness that exists very briefly before the person either dozes off or forces themselves back to wakefulness. One does not hold long conversations with them, nor do they involve auditory or tactile sensations.

As someone who has been in a state between waking and sleep walking after night shift many times, I assure you, anything goes. I once held a conversation with someone (apparently), but all I remember was suddenly falling into my bed. If you are that messed up you barely recognize your surroundings anymore and don't register such details.

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Chapter 3 was actually more like an Omake for the real serialization, so I at least recommend reading that one.

HIno always pushes her luck even though she is so afraid of upsetting Koguma. It seems compulsive at this point... like she needs constant reassurance that Koguma won't leave her no matter how far her trolling goes. The moment she even remotely seems to be rejecting, Hino basically crumbles.

All I'm gonna say is that I'm glad she apologized. She doesn't do it nearly often enough.

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Is that really an immortality thing? I barely remember what I did last week, never mind a year ago. But maybe that's just me...

Well, you do remember the big things though, don't you? Stuff that really affected you. You remember your family and will still remember your parents even after they pass away.
Now imagine losing all that on the large scale... over and over and over again. 200 years in you won't even remember your parents' names anymore, let alone what their voices sounded like. With time even looking at their photographs is no different than looking at strangers. It's like alzheimers, but while you are at full mental capacity...

Terrifying.

Or maybe it's just me that is uncomfortable with not being able to remember what I should. shrugs

Whoever said anything about her work having no merit anyway? Being effortless does not mean the results don't have merits. Sakurako is undoubtedly impressive at everything she does. I'm kinda envious tbh.

Though I find that line of thinking baffling... is this the 19th century? Being a housewife is not a profession and doing housework is not a job. The modern woman goes to an 8 hour work day at ther real job and then does housework on top of that. As do all single men as well. I find it rather "offensive" to see being a housewife as a good thing or to look at housework as something beyond the bare minimum of daily life.

If taking care of children was involved that is different of course. Children take a lot of attention and energy out of a person. Parental leave exists for a reason. But until Sakurako perfects iPS cells I don't see her having to worry about (or enjoy) motherhood yet.

Or both

I shan't be shocked if that turns out to be the case, but hope dies last as they say.

Except Sakurako doesn't need to study, because she is just naturally gifted and reads for a hobby.

She can master any dish on first try, so she doesn't put any more effort into it than a dish someone made a 100 times in their sleep.

Sakurako doesn't have any trouble multi-tasking housework and in fact works because she is bored, not because she likes to work.

No matter how you spin it, compared to a normal human she invests far less effort into everything with 10 times better results. That's because her talents are portrayed as super-human, just like Kasumi's monstrous appetite. It's not supposed to be realistic or relatable. You're supposed to think "Whoa that's amazing and crazy", just like Kasumi does.

What makes Sakurako relatable is her dorkiness, how she is scared of anything horror related, how she worries about her body image and the way she acts around her family. Maybe you are the one looking at things the wrong way?

EDIT: Let me put it this way: To be a hard worker, the work has to be actually hard. If it is not, then it's just work.

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I would blame this madness on heat stroke, but in actuality this is just standard affair for these girls and this mangaka.

^I'm guessing that she's a fan who's stalking her and possibly bugged her phone. So she learned that the author was in a slump by listening to her phone conversation with her editor and took it upon herself to become her pet to give her motivation so she can write a better manuscript.

(or I might be totally wrong and she hangs around pet stores to seduce fatigued women)

Welp...

Well I'm guessin she's a massive pervert who's really into Role play as Pet so she hangs around in her natural habitat hahaha.
We really need that ch2!!

...those are two very different interpretations. While I can see why pet play and perversion would be kind of the obvious conclusion here... I sure hope that's not where this is going.
The crazy stalker fan thing is shockingly the better alternative.

Hoo boy, do we need that second chapter.

I'm assuming is her brain not working properly after 3 days of failed work xP I mean she called her a dog and saw her as one hahaha
Well delusion or not, I like this (((((HEALING)))))

Oh I (sorta) get why she would be seeing illusions. Not like I never had a few allnighters in a row.
What confuses me is why the leash lady just came in to become her pet outta nowhere. ( •᷄ὤ•᷅)？

^^Well I didn't count them, because those were kinda like a child's. But I suppose you are right.

^That's sister to you. Sororitas are the sisters of battle!
Also yes, Immolaters would be much appreciated.

Don't encourage her Nene... lol

Edit: regarding the new chapter, I believe the reason their classmates were surprised is because they didn't think those two would be getting along, and all suddenly they're holding hands in the hallway. and I think them thinking they're going out is a bit exaggerating on the author side. I don't think IRL people would think you're gay because of that, at least in japan. and then again, I guess it depends on the country and it's culture. also, I've always been curious about the norm among yuri authors that all-girls schools tend to have girls confessing to other girls and prince-like idols. I wonder if it's true IRL or it's just made-up fantasy? I guess it's the latter.

Like I mentioned already, the fact that they looked all lovey-dovey while doing it is the main factor here.

Statistically speaking all-girls schools have the highest rate of same sex couples. Not necessarily because there are more lesbians though. Hormone filled teenagers will jump anything when locked up in a cage together (and girls are far more likely to be bi-curious than boys). Yes that was an exaggeration.

Of course such frustration based curiosity rarely holds for long. It may be more likely for actual lesbians or bisexual girls to find their identity in such places however.

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Moral of the story: Don't try to drug your beloved, or you'll get raped in the gym storeroom.

Unless that is something you enjoy or you have really low standards.

^Thx Captain...