That ending was great, though the two friends did inexplicably swap sides in the last panel.

"Refused to learn how to communicate" is assuming that Shouko's mother has the time to learn how to communicate.

You're trolling right? You've got to be trolling. If you can't make time to learn sign language for the sake of your own daughter you're a failure as a parent and probably don't give two ***s about them.

I never said she was mom of the year, or even a parent to emulate, just that things like horrific and the post you apparently signed up to make are hyperbolic. We've only seen her a few times, and each time she's trying to keep her daughter from being bullied or trying to keep her away from one of her previous abusers.

Yes she probably should have learned sign language, but then Shouya's mom should have stopped her son from jumping off bridges, or picking fights, or getting the shit kicked out of him, or done something during all the time he spent being bullied, or noticed he was suicidal sometime before the moment when it would have been too late, but she didn't. And that's only when talking about Shouya, and not his sister, neither of whom (I assume) have the complication of a disability.

He did work hard to get her forgiveness. Have you ever learned sign language? Do you know how hard it is. The above person also pointed out that he considered killing himself after apologizing. It is a stupid move but it shows how sincere he is. He tried reaching out for her and actually made the effort to do so.
Nishimiya has always been like that, a forgiving person. You can see from chapter 11. If you question about the forgiven personality, there are many people like that around the world. They forgive and forget. Both of them are slowly becoming friends. The relationship part hasn't started yet but as a fan, I can always dream and wish for that.

I guess I just don't think learning a new language and sincerely apologizing somehow absolves you of every horrible thing you did and that Shouko's utter lack of reaction and malice to a horrible human being just irks me. Someone so passive that they never hold a grudge against their abusers, who forgives them for everything they do, comes across as the kind of person who winds up stuck in an abusive relationship; it's not a commendable trait, it's a personal failing. That's probably one of the reasons why her mother and sister are so aggressively overprotective, because she obviously won't fend for herself and that's incredibly dangerous.

Well Shouko's mother has refused to learn how to communicate with her for one, as shown in various examples - the fact that she resorts to shouting at her to return to the car, the fact that she tells Yuzuru to tell Shouko something instead of telling Shouko herself. She's protective sure, but she's regarding Shouko as an invalid who she cannot even communicate with. In short, from what we've seen her mother treats her as more of a burden than a daughter, something which 6th grade Shouko obviously internalized - as evidenced by the constant "I'm sorry" statements in her communication book and just smiling and taking the abuse that was happening to her.

"Refused to learn how to communicate" is assuming that Shouko's mother has the time to learn how to communicate. I mean sure, she probably could put in the effort to learn sign language, but she seems to be a single mother raising two girls who are sent to a special school in a somewhat well-off lifestyle, which sounds like it'd keep her rather busy at work. Not to mention that Shouko is able to hear people when using her hearing aids, which likely allows hearing and writing to compensate for communication.

It also explains why she might yell at her daughter; she's either having problems with her hearing aids or is being disobedient, and why she would have Yuzuru talk to her sister after getting out of the bath, when her hearing aids were probably taken out.

As for treating her like an invalid, she is an invalid. Everything we see of the few sparse moments is her trying to make Shouko's bad situation better. She tries to make her at least look assertive by getting a masculine haircut because being incredibly passive (and looking it) has obviously caused problems. She enrolls her in a special school to get her away from the abuse. From several scenes and flashbacks we see that she is fine with her children walking around on their own, which isn't exactly something an overbearing parent does.

To say that she is the one who caused Shouko's mental state is bit lacking in anything even resembling proof; she's overprotective of her constantly abused daughter and has yet to mistreat her. Beyond not learning a brand new language, something that's incredibly difficult for an adult to do, she's yet to do anything damning. That's not to say that she's perfect (which is actually more reason to like her) or that she's not the cause of Shouko's personality, because all parents do influence their children, but things like temperament and some aspects of development can't just be thrown at the parent's feet.

It's the fact that he took the time to learn communicate with her on her own terms (in fact going far beyond what was needed for an apology - he is quite fluent after all), and the fact that he is remorseful of his past actions, and is putting forth an effort to understand her now, that prompted Shouko to give him a second chance.

The thing is, he probably could have walked up to her, punched her in the face, stolen everything she owned, and beat her sister and she probably would have just sat there, took it, and smiled with some attempt at taking the blows meant for Yuzuru. She's already done it during her own abuse and the abuse of her sister, and has only ever gotten angry when her sister dared to not forgive someone who might not deserve it, so there's no reason to assume she'd react differently. That's why it all comes across as hollow to me, because he didn't have to do anything to earn forgiveness, he just inherently got it because she's just so damn submissive and nice.

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To say that he should never be able to be forgiven for what he's done is a pretty awful thing to say. He understands how awful he was and realises how terrible it was, what more should he have to do? He's sincerely trying his absolute hardest to fix things, and he planned on killing himself after he apologised. His life has been awful for years since, and the minute things look good for him again, her sister ruins it for him. Do you honestly think he should never be allowed to be forgiven, and should suffer for the rest of his life?

Yuzuru may be trying to support her, but in the worst and most terrible way possible. Her terrible behind the back sneakery, lying and interfering with her life is not how she could help. She's overly protective (with good reason however) and doesn't actually care about what her sister wants, she only cares about what she thinks her sister SHOULD want.

And as shown by the flashback in this chapter, she got very angry when Yuzuru was bullied too as a kid. She gets angry when people attack the people she cares about, not herself.

The fact you support her horrific mother is mildly worrying. Unless you mean his mother. I hope so.

I don't recall saying he should never be forgiven. I said that Shouko shouldn't immediately forgive him and him actually having to work to get her forgiveness would have been better and more realistic, but nowhere does "never" come up. Not to mention that that entire thing was in response to people wanting them to be in a relationship, with "history" together being a reason, apparently forgetting that that history involved him abusing her daily. And he's sincerely trying his absolute hardest... doing what? Learning sign language is the only effort he's put in to work towards fixing things with her; everything else was paying his mom back the money she had to spend on hearing aids.

As for Yuzuru, she's supporting her in something less hyperbolic than the "worst and most terrible way possible." She lies to keep someone she hates away from her sister, she manipulates information to punish him because her sister certainly won't do anything punitive, and she's interfering with this one person. She has some of the best reasons to be overprotective and to absolutely hate Ishida, and that makes her more interesting and relatable than her sister who holds zero animosity towards any of the people who deserve it or Shouya, who really deserves it.

In the flashback, we're shown Shouko standing in front of Yuzuru, "like a statue" with "another smile on her face." The entire point is that the moment Shouko pushes her against the wall is the first time she (or us) see her angry. It also happens to be the first time someone's act of malice was actually justified.

And finally, her "horrific" mother. What exactly has she done to earn such an adjective? She wanted her daughter to have a specific hairstyle to make her look less submissive to ward off bullies and threw away an old notebook from the time she spent with a bunch of terrible people. She's certainly not nice about it, but she hasn't done anything that objectionable and has dealt with her daughter being abused and bullied for years by this point.

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Am I the only one that wants ishida and nishimiya to get together?. I know he used to be a dick but he's getting better now. Not sure if that would happen because I don't see any romance between them, maybe it might change in future chapters, but who knows.

I also want Ishida and Nishimiya to get together. They have history together and have been through a lot. Though I like the pace of the relationship. It isn't too fast nor too slow. It is realistic :D

They have a history together... of him being the biggest dick in the entire class and making her life horrible the entire time they spent together as kids. He only actually develops a sense of empathy when he is forced to understand what her life was like. He's a horrible person who deserved everything he ever experienced.

Had Nishimiya not immediately forgiven him for every horrible thing he did to her and he had to actually work to have a relationship with her it might work better and be more realistic. As it stands, she apparently forgives everyone for everything they do except Yuzuru, because fuck the only person in the world who tried helping her I guess, which leaves the mother and the sister as the only characters I can actually support.

Shouldn't this set just go under Table Turner?

Three minutes really doesn't seem like it'd be enough time for what they're doing...

They're both extremely tsuntsun...

Ryuko definitely, but I don't really see how Satsuki fits as a basic tsundere, let alone an extreme one.

Wait. I'm not getting the "Touched" sfx. What are they supposed to mean? Heavy heartbeats like "Thump Thump"? What're the original words?

I don't think "Touched" is a sfx, just a confirmation of their mental state. Though, while I understand why Yuuka's touched by Moe's words, I don't really get why Moe's touched, unless the lack of a heart means that she's a different kind of touched.

There really needs to be more BRS yuri...

So Mizuhara's type is slender and macho... wouldn't Sakura be considered slender and macho since she is thin (I think?) and knows martial arts?

And yes, that preview was amazing and I can't to see this potential 3-way.

It only took 12 chapters but at least one of the Gaku's gave in to the yuri. Considering how many lives she's had you'd think one of them would have woke up to the idea well before actually seeing Alice.

haha. what happened to the waitress? was she terrified to makoto's singing or something else ...? XD,.

More like it was masculine and charming that her legs gone weak...

The way she looks (mouth wide open, panting, steamy) made me see that as Makoto bringing her to orgasm with her singing, which I just thought was both amazing and hilarious.

I'm pretty sure I spent the past ten minutes staring at page 12... I want to go to that club.

Page 1: Normal School
Page 12: Titan's Head

Also, I'm really disappointed that we didn't get to see Ymir's face or what she wound up making Christa do.

One can only take so much cuteness before self-control goes right out the window.

Babies aren't machine washable?!

I... I need to go check on my laundry.

Ah~ flustered Signum is adorable.

Not enough lamia.

There's never enough Lamia.

I believe the most important question right now is just how many R-18 images there are on pixiv now that two years have passed. A prolonged and in-depth study needs to be conducted to answer this great question.

Why did she whisper in her ear after she grabbed her by the waist?

At first I thought she might be sniffing her hair (like ya do), but due to the absence of sfx and this being the early stages of their relationship, I'm going to say that she kissed her, or was just hugging her closely, probably the latter.

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So is the bread's name...pan?

The word for bread is "pan" in Japanese.

So yes, the bread's name is pan.

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Is that one panel supposed to be of Christa/Bertolt throwing Reiner/Ymir to the ground?

You'd think the first Sengoku Otome doujin would involve Nobunaga or Hideyoshi. Or maybe Shingen x Kenshin.

And they separate forever in the end because of reasons...

These poorly contrived endings where the two girls can never see each other ever again are really starting to come across as nothing but a middle finger to people who want to see a happy ending for a yuri couple.