Haruki has confessed but what does that mean for her and Aya? Will she pursue Aya at all? Will knowing she’s hurting her best friend stop Aya from seeing Sei? If she does; will Sei try to keep Aya with her?

Will Mochida succeed? And what will the new character add to Sei’s story? What would her past relationship expose about her situation with Aya? Does she treat Aya differently?

Side note, I don’t think Haruki getting naked was that weird.... I mean, she’s pretty much invaded Aya’s space all the time. It only makes sense she would share her whole naked truth with Aya. Plus, she gets to see and feel Aya’s goodies....

Them talking about no worries makes me think there will be worries coming...... but luckily this is filled with fluff so if there are problems, it’s resolved in a chapter or two.

Shamefully I think anim8tur nailed it on the head, however crudely. My yuri good, het bad attitude stems from my unshakable feeling that sex between women is inherently pure and innocent. I hate that about myself though. I feel like I'm belittling lesbian love and love making, with it.

Hahaha I feel like I should pay you guys therapy fees.

Johnb, the fact that you associate ladies loving ladies as pure and innocent doesn’t mean you’re belittling lesbian sex, you actually seem more like you’re romanticizing it since you don’t think that women are capable of harsh sexual acts (even though they are).

As long as you’re not perpetuating the belief that homosexual couples are just “playing house” and that they merely need for the ‘right opposite sex partner’ to turn their lives around in the right direction, your conscience can remain clear.

Basically two women together is not as valid as a man and a woman. Therefore it's ok for a girl to be with another girl because it doesn't count and she will remain a virgin until she meets the guy who will marry her and he will still find her pure.
It's a mindset of why a portion of people like Yuri. They still get to see girls naked, but also maintaining their pure waifu status before graduating and going for guys (who will be the self insert of the reader)

I totally get the heternormative belief that still exists which discounts lesbian activities as actual sexual/romantic experiences. I'm simply asking if a line can be crossed where the girl who engages in these acts with another girl stops being 'pure'? Or will it continually be disregarded as 'practice' just because she doesn't get, excuse the crude language, an actual penis to cum on/in her?

Who in their right mind would think that a girl having sex with another girl is still "pure"?

There are people who don't think lesbian sex counts as actual sex or that '3rd base'/foreplay aren't real sexual encounters.

Am I the only one who thinks that if Aya continues to top, she'll definitely push Yoru out of Sei's heart? Jokes aside, I think associating negative feelings with Yoru can definitely help Sei move on. I also like that she's thinking about Aya as more than a sex puppet. Being with Aya is becoming cathartic for Sei... problem is Aya seems like she's going to be pulling away.

No I don't think that's right. I would see a man doing these things to Aya as stealing her innocence, corrupting her. However, I just don't get that feeling when it's with a woman. It's like all of the things Aya has done with Sei doesn't count. To put it in manga gag terms Aya should have no issue with getting married.

Is it because there’s no penis and Aya’s hymen is still in tact? If Sei whipped out her strap would that make it count? Or it still won’t matter since it’s not a real penis and there’s no ejaculate?

Yoru seems like a chaser, so I guess an overwhelming love seemed like she had already won her over? Or even scary?

I can see her definitely getting overwhelmed by the fact Sei went to her boyfriend and how it might even scare her into cutting ties with Sei. Not because she’s scared of Sei but that Sei can do it again and ruin her chances of finding a guy who’ll take her seriously.

So many of them like that playing with gay girls hearts :'(

I get wanting to experiment but don’t do it with someone who you know has feelings for you...

Why do I want Aya to end up with Sei. Sei is an teacher f#%king a highschool girl. Practicality raping Aya unitl she likes it. Not to mention taunting Aya's friend with those pictures. Sei is pretty much a hentai style villain. If Sei was a guy, I would want to beat her with a tireiron. But because Sei is a woman, I'm rooting for her.

At least you recognize the double standards lol. Because she is a woman and less physically threatening, they give the false sense of security. Plus we hear more frequently about males being violent than women.

Definitely agree. It might be subconscious association. Men were usually associated with things like violence, dominance, power play. Women were often regarded as nurturers and caregivers.

I think that's a reach at this point. Maybe Yoru will end up being more sympathetic, but not knowing how to deal with it is a stretch. She wouldn't have sex with her if she was so in shock and clueless. She also wouldn't sleep around with many guys, talk about her guy issues with Sei and be away from Sei for 8 years.

It’s a bit of a reach yes, but from what we know about Yoru so far- how other students dubbed her a delinquent man stealer, how only she and Sei went for karaoke, how she says that Sei is the only one who’d stay with her- it doesn’t seem like she has a lot of other female friends, let alone any platonic relationships.

Yoru’s behavior, how she enters relationships one after the other, is usually pattern for someone hoping sex can turn into love in fiction (which can be another reason why a misguided teen sleeps with her best friend). At the moment, it’s reinforced by the fact that she married so young.

Sei going to Yoru’s ex- something we know has happened only once- could have made Yoru realize how much things blew up in both their faces and that’s why she cut ties with Sei. Or maybe she cut ties with Sei because she was getting married- we don’t know yet.

I don’t think her arc with Sei is quite done yet, seeing as Sei basically just ran away from her negative feelings yet again.

Though that could just be because I’m hoping she and Aya meet...

I know most of its speculation and I could definitely be wrong. I’m just saying I won’t be surprised if Yoru’s made out to be a victim of her own stupid decisions rather than a malicious conniving shrew.

More than a week can vary from 2 weeks to 90 years. It was more than a week but not more than a month. Still very soon.

Time isn’t the only factor to consider. There’s also Aya’s situation before Sei came into her life and how Sei brought forth a plethora of new experiences and emotions. It’s a combination of things that lead to the development of their relationship.

Experiencing something once, even for just a short amount of time, can be enough to contribute a difference to one’s life.

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I think that's excusing her behavior a bit. Even if she isn't very sharp, I don't think they had sex for Sei's shake. She didn't want to let Sei completely off, because she was the only person who loved her. But even if she just felt sorry for her, she should have completely let her move on and not add more to the fuel. Maybe this is bad writing and Sei was so in love with her for no reason with Yoru doing the absolute least, but I'm more skeptical about this version rather than Yoru also consciously contributing to it.

Yeah, but Sei was the first person to love her completely. She might not have known how to deal with that. And then when Sei ended up going to her guy, she realizes she done messed up.

I was all set to hate on Yoru when I began reading this, thinking this girl is baiting her best friend, but this manga seems to want to give us characters that readers can sympathize/empathize with.

Yeah they definitely fall for that, but do they also think that person from the internet is their sole reason to be alive after meeting them for a week? It's way less possible, but not unbelievable. But regarding the writing here, I don't think the main point is whether there is a chance this could happen irl, it's more about feeling too fast and forced from a storytelling pov.

It's been more than week since they've met and a lot more has happened since their initial encounter.

Lonely teenage girl with extremely low self esteem falling for the first stranger to ever show interest in her does not feel that far fetched to me.

This is soooo ridiculous. Like, are you a woman? Have you EVER been to dating apps, sites etc? When you create an account, you get like dozens of messages, and 99,9% of them are shit like “Are you a virgin? What are you wearing? Wanna see my dick? Have you got a boyfriend? Do you like cunnilingus? You have nice boobs, wanna lick ‘em!” and stuff like that. From what we can see, Sei did exactly the same. She started her perverted chat soon after they began talking. Daily, yeah, like for a week? So how do you think, are there a lot of woman who “develop a strong emotional connection” to that kinda fellows? None. Really, practically zero. Because it’s disturbing....

Umm...Are you saying women, especially teenage girls, don't fall for online predators? It'd be great if that was the case but unfortunately, it's not. There's literally countless shows/documentaries/news segments about these kind of things. Believe me, when they show the chats they've had, I've internally screamed when I read some of the things these women fall for ("Like really!? How do you fall for some stupid line like that?!"). It's not uncommon for them to fall prey in just the first couple messages /texts too. And some even felt flattered when they got propositioned immediately. It's unbelievable but it definitely happens.

Not just women. There are a lot of sad lonely people out there who end up with a broken heart and an empty bank account.

Is Yoru 100% straight though?

She's spaghetti. Straight until wet.

I am longing for some kind of closure between Sei & Yoru.. and also knowing why she was letting her sleep with her??
anim8tur you said it was because she was feeling bad for her. But doing that obviously made things worse...

Yeah but Sei admits to not being the sharpest tool in the shed. Originally I thought she was doing it to keep Sei on her hook but now I think she probably thought she could at least give Sei her body if not her heart and believed it might be enough to satisfy Sei.

This is soooo ridiculous. Like, are you a woman? Have you EVER been to dating apps, sites etc? When you create an account, you get like dozens of messages, and 99,9% of them are shit like “Are you a virgin? What are you wearing? Wanna see my dick? Have you got a boyfriend? Do you like cunnilingus? You have nice boobs, wanna lick ‘em!” and stuff like that. From what we can see, Sei did exactly the same. She started her perverted chat soon after they began talking. Daily, yeah, like for a week? So how do you think, are there a lot of woman who “develop a strong emotional connection” to that kinda fellows? None. Really, practically zero. Because it’s disturbing. Because it’s invading privacy. It’s uncomfortable. And it’s way more so when you are a lonely teenage girl with extremely low self esteem. So something like a girl falling in love with a stranger who writes in a chat “I wanna fuk u real hard ooohhh babe” is not even forced, it’s stupid and funny. It’s almost comedy. Thus this romance is pulled out of an ass. It’s called “bad writing”.

But Sei did not start off with sexual advances. They made small talk and talked about their hobbies and opinions about the books and movies they've read. It isn't stipulated how long it went on for- I think we just get a standard pacing because to show everything would be boring and so far this is paced really well- but the fact that someone cared enough to talk to her daily meant a lot to Aya.

Most of these are just inferences based on things I remember reading: for Aya she might feel that Haruki comes in when she has nothing better to do or maybe because it's too rowdy in her house because 'someone is always home'. Her mom doesn't cook for her that often- hence why Aya's so handy in the kitchen. All these things can make Aya feel like she's just second choice. Then here is 'Kuro'- taking the time out of her busy working adult schedule to text her during lunch and check on her when she got home from a long meeting...

You may have missed how I said I don't think Aya is in love with Sei just yet. I think it can definitely head that way though but as of the moment her saying Sei is her 'reason to be alive' has little to do with love.

The way I see it, each chapter kind of highlights how Aya's attachment to Sei grows. Before Sei came in, she had one friend, her books, movies, her school work, and Haruki herself describes Aya as being listless...

Then when Sei came, a whole barrage of emotions were awakened in Aya. She felt fear, curiosity, excitement, carnal desires, pleasure, pain, comfort, etc. Sei also brought forth new experiences which force her out of her shell. Sei became an outlet to escape her boring reality and if Sei leaves, Aya's back to living an empty life. -Hence why Aya feels Sei is her reason for being alive.

There seems to be an underlying strong homophobia with Mochida and Yoru.

About Yoru, I'm assuming she identifies as straight. So sleeping with a girl (who also has feelings for her) just irks me. It's very damaging to that girl (Sei) because it's like she tells her "look, this is the most you'll ever get for love and I'm doing you a favor". It's kinda reinforced by the fact that she sleeps around with so many guys and she even got married so young. Her being so casual about the guys in front of Sei is like rubbing it into her face that she will never get that because she's not a guy.
Don't know how intentional from the author this is, but I certainly get this undertone here.

Tell me about it. I definitely see how Sei could feel that way and how it helped her turn into who she is now. But I don’t think that was Yoru’s intention.

It seems like no guy is taking Yoru seriously but she wants them to. As far as we know, Yoru is the one who keeps getting dumped/tricked/used/played with. The only time we know she plays is when she lets Sei sleep with her.

She enters these relationships hoping someone will take her seriously, hence why she got married right away.

She sees her self as a stupid girl, probably thinks she doesn’t have much to offer. She recognizes that Sei’s feelings for her are real, hence why she recognizes that she’s always hurting Sei and maybe feels guilty she can’t return said feelings- which could be the reason why she lets Sei do her- but doesn’t quite understand why Sei feels that way about her.

Isn't that because Sei will ruin her chance everytime ? I remember even go to ask one of her BF to break up with Yoru. Any person will have stop going out with a person like that.

So far, we have seen her do it once and that guy wasn’t even taking his relationship with Yoru seriously. He said we just playing around with her.

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The odds of him believing what she says is very low, cause he might think that it's just nonsense that she made up or she's lying.

Agree that could be one of the reasons.

For someone of her type it will be more fun to ruin the person's reputation by spreading around school in the process having the person getting fired & lose their job.

I don't know if she's doing it because it's more fun. For her it's the only way to achieve her goal, which necessarily isn't to get Sei fired, but to have Math teacher.

Mochida can't tell him without proof so she's gathering evidence so he'll believe and stay away from her himself, which in her mind means he chose her.

Mochida's convinced that despite Sei being a lesbian, Sei is still using her charms to distract Math teacher and because of that, she can't ask Sei to stay away from him. She'd rather believe Sei is leading him on than face the fact that Math teacher simply isn't interested in her. She probably sees her self as the heroine trying to save her love from the clutches of the gross evil lesbian user...

Her amusement and Sei's firing are just byproducts.

No, I’m not annoyed—it’s just clear that answers to those questions at this point are pure speculation pending further evidence from the text itself.

The bold caps threw me off.

I know it’s all speculative but that’s my jam.

So how does parsing out “responsibility” on the limited information we have now shed light on future developments in the story?

I don’t play the blame game to predict the story. I do it to keep me from bestowing judgment on a character until I’ve gathered all the data.

I try to see if I can predict the outcome based on the information that’s given.

Aya chose to mess with Sei too, but that doesn't mean they're equally responsible. People's behavior at 16 changes a lot compared to 24, despite Sei's inability to move on. That inability doesn't mean they're on the same level.
And as we can already see, it's Sei who has the upper hand between them. She is able to mess both with Aya and Haruki.

And I agree she def has majority responsibility. I just want to know messed up Sei is and whether or not she can still be redeemed.

Why, in fact, absent specific evidence from the text, does "quantifying responsibility" matter at all?

It's theoretically possible that we will learn that Sei is in fact a serial predator of students. But we have no concrete evidence that she is. (She may have hit on or been involved with a student before, but we have only the slightest of rumors to indicate that).

It's theoretically possible that Aya has undergone some earlier trauma that renders her less capable of making rational decisions than appears to be the case at present. But right now we have no reason to believe that.

So what are the intellectual or interpretive implications of deciding the precise percentages of "responsibility" for each character at this point?

Are you asking because you’re annoyed and find the topic pointless or are you curious?

I’m focused on character development. Determining accountability helps me place blame so I can decide whether or not Sei is a redeemable character.

Is she a misguided victim of her past or has she evolved into a manipulative seductress preying on innocents to amuse her self?

It doesn’t matter at all to the over all story but I find it entertaining to talk about these kinds of things.

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Everyone has their own struggles and sometimes things they can't get over. From kids to elders. Does that mean they're all on the same level and bare the same responsibility?

Of course they don’t but quantifying level of responsibility isn’t always so cut and dry. Sometimes there’s a whole lot of gray area to consider.

In the manga, Aya’s choices also make her responsible. She accepted despite knowing the risks and the probability that this will not end well between them.

And Sei of course carries weight as well. But there are questions stopping me from properly weighing the imbalance.

Has Sei entered into a previous arrangement like this with someone else? Has she purposely targeted another high school girl? Is she a serial predator or a woman who has just reached her wits end and is desperate for relief?

It’s the repetition of the wrongdoings that can tilt the balance of responsibility in this case.

Some people carry trauma that can never be healed but that does not excuse them to continually act selfishly and cruelly towards others.

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I mean, it's a common question for Aya, Sei and Haruki. What did they want for their relation with the other. Did Aya still want to be friends with someone like Haruki and did she want her relation with Sei be purely substitue play ? Same for Sei, did she want her relation with Aya be only a replacement for her past relation with Yoru and did she want a proper relation with Aya. Also did she want to go back to Yoru if this one agree on or did she want to go over it ? For Haruki, it's more did she still want to pretend she is doing it fro protecting Aya as a friend or did she will admit she does it because she is jealous that Aya love another person than her.

I think most of the characters have just been acting without thought to their futures and much introspection to what they actually want.

As we go forward with the story, characters continue to realize things about themselves and as a result; the relationships they share with others and it’s dynamics begin to shift.

Aya tried so hard not to catch feelings from Sei so I don’t think she ever expected to fall for Sei. She definitely does not expect Sei will fall for her.

Sei was just looking for relief but she had no way of knowing that Aya would come when she texted her “I wanna go home”. She also had no way of knowing Aya would go to her house after her fight with Haruki. So I don’t think she expected there would be a deep emotional connection between her and Aya.

Haruki will probably confess her feelings.

I would agree on that, but the thing here is that there is an unhealthy dynamic between them, solely from the fact that Sei is a teacher and has already been through her first love and she is fully developed emotionally. Sei knows the consequences first hand, yet she choses to drag Aya in. Aya realizes to a certain degree that this is wrong, but her emotional maturity is way behind Sei's and she hasn't developed the mechanisms to face situations like this.

When has Sei’s profession actually mattered between her and Aya? Even if she wasn’t a high school teacher, she might still be lusting after high school girls. It’s not like she’s Aya’s teacher and she’s pressuring her to do stuff so she can get a good grade.

Sei doesn’t see it as her using Aya. She believes they can both get something out of it; orgasms.

When she and Aya begin, Aya was unlike Sei who was already been in love with Yoru and after what we learned from Sei’s own experiences, it’s clear that she knows people can detach themselves and have sex without falling in love. I mean; she had sex with Yoru yet Yoru, to our current knowledge, did not fall for her.

Teenagers are inherently not on the same level and they lack emotional clarity compared to someone like Sei.

It’s the age that’s problematic for sure but assuming that just because Sei is older and has more experience therefore she should take the role of protector/guider for Aya is faulty.

Age doesn’t guarantee maturity. I think someone pointed that out before.

The fact that Sei is hung up on her high school love after so long and is engaging is illicit affairs with someone to deal demonstrates that Sei her self is unable to cope and find a healthy outlet.

Adults need assurances too. The desire for a partner who can offer safety, affection, assurance, comfort, intimacy, etc. does not evaporate automatically when we mature.

It might seem unfair; but due to Sei’s pain and her trauma, it seems like she’s the one more in need of comfort and assurance.

The fact that Aya agrees upon this, doesn't mean she is equipped to face it and even walk away. This is where Sei should protect her instead and not use her as emotional crunch.

Neither are currently equipped to deal with what’s going on with their lives.

And Sei, to her knowledge, does not know that Aya might be in love with her. Given her experience with Yoru and how Aya maintains these “boundaries” like leaving right after sex and not staying over for pillow talk, she has no reason to think that Aya caught romantic feelings for her.

She believes that she’s giving just what Aya wants, sexual relief as they both try to escape from their realities.

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The “Haruki gives zero shits about Aya’s privacy” comes through in the part where she seems to have invited her friends over to watch AYA TV from the window.

I know right? She didn’t tell Aya to close her window or anything.

You can still argue that Haruki is still in her "protect Aya" mode she start when they were younger. She maybe didn't understand how her feelings have interfered in their current relation.

I think what’s mostly coming into question is Haruki’s motivations for wanting to “protect Aya”. Based on her actions, some have concluded that she’s doing all this because she wants Aya for herself, giving absolutely no regard as to Aya’s own desires and what ultimately is the best for Aya and that’s the issue that doesn’t sit well with others.

Although I'm sure there will be a happy ending.

I don’t want to hope for one because I don’t want to raise my expectations.

That depend on what you consider a good ending.

A good ending would be that Sei and Aya don’t necessarily end up together but they deal with their issues and demonstrate character growth while Haruki respects Aya’s decisions.

A happy ending for me would be all that ^ but Sei and Aya are actually together.

The “Haruki gives zero shits about Aya’s privacy” comes through in the part where she seems to have invited her friends over to watch AYA TV from the window.

I know right? She didn’t tell Aya to close her window or anything.

A lot of readings of this series seem to dismiss or downplay Aya’s agency. While as an adult Kuro does technically have more power than Aya, nothing Aya does is a result of Kuro using that power—Aya may be making some bad choices, but they’re her choices.

Her choices are definitely her own. It seems people gloss over the fact that she knows exactly what’s going on between her and Sei. Sei never promised her a real relationship and Aya herself proposes that Sei call out Yoru’s name instead of her own.

She does it, not because she wants to help Sei deal with whatever past traumas she has, but because she wants to maintain boundaries and remind herself that she must try and detach herself from Sei as much as she can.

My two cents here. Don't worry, I won't spoil anything after chapter 10.

From what I can tell, Haruki doesn't really even treat Aya as a real friend. She never really did care about Aya's opinions on anything and treats her like some kind of baby with no agency and will of her own. When Aya made an "online friend," Haruki didn't even bother asking Aya's feelings on the matter and immediately proceeded to invade her privacy. Also, as Sei pointed out in chapter 9, the reason why Haruki stormed the cafe was not because she cared about Aya's well-being. It was because she couldn't have Aya for herself. Haruki is overly self-righteous, and like most self-righteous people, a massive hypocrite. It makes her an interesting character, but make no mistake, she's no better, and maybe even "worse" than any of the other characters in this story.

Exactly! She never once asked Aya how she feels, if she was happy, just asserted that the whole thing was not right to her, and that she won’t be able to take it if Aya got a boyfriend.

That whole conversation was focused on Haruki’s feelings.

I see how her actions could be worse because unlike when Sei assaulted Aya, Haruki and Aya already had years of friendship between them. Her effectively trying to trample that line without Aya’s consent demonstrates how little she actually cares about Aya’s feelings.

As for Aya and Sei, it has been revealed, piecemeal it might have been, that Aya doesn't have any meaningful relationships. Her parents are absentees, and she feels that her childhood friend neighbor is robbing her of her freedom and privacy. Sei, meanwhile, actually makes an effort to treat Aya as an equal (emotionally speaking). While you can see it as Sei trying to get Aya to lower her guard, I genuinely don't think so. Sei is also lonely, suffocated by her horrible work environment and her attachment to a past relationship. Aya's the first person, maybe in a very long time, that she can be open to about her troubles, and that actually makes Sei very, very attached to Aya, even if she calls out Yoru's name during sex. She gave Aya a key to her apartment, bought dishes for her to use, took her to karaoke, etc. While those may seem unimportant, those are the things that Aya longed for - a meaningful relationship. To Aya, Sei is everything, and I can understand why.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

The fact that she has begun to moan Aya’s name and her offering that Aya stay means she definitely has formed some sort of attachment with Aya. It’s just her connection to Sei and her past trauma is so strong that it’s easily overpowering said connection with Aya.

Sei brought forth all the things Aya’s been craving so it’s easy to see how Aya would be attached. And since she did not have a lot going on before Sei, it’s understandable how Sei became the focal point in her life.

EDIT: This is kind of lost in translation, but Sei sometimes regresses to the speech pattern of a little girl whenever she and Aya does the dirty. As the translator, it's really hard to get those nuances carried over to English. This is also the reason why I believe that Sei is much, much more attached to Aya than it seems like when just reading the translations. I'm sorry I couldn't bring these nuances out, but that's pretty much impossible to do without making Sei sound like an idiot.

Translations are hard. Certain words in another language don’t have the same weight when translated.

Thanks for your efforts!

Yeah I would get that if she absolutely had no one else. Let's say someone like Kaoru from MUL who really doesn't have anyone else.
What's very contradictory is how we've seen Haruki trying to approach her and Aya was rejecting her. It's not like she had no other person in the world to talk to, she was just very aloof and distant with them on her own. So I can't believe that she suddenly felt so familiar with someone she barely knows. And even if it was the teen hormones etc(I'm not saying she shouldn't feel anything at all), it's a great stretch that someone like her would go into these type of lengths for someone so fast. She reminds me of Mei from Citrus regarding her aloof side, but even if I have criticized it, I think it did a better job in depicting someone with this type of personality and the time it takes for them to feel strongly about someone.
I don't think it's impossible for someone to feel like she did, but you need a different personality for that. They have to be more open and company seeking in general. Not someone who avoids human interaction like Aya.

Aya has expressed her guilt about just relying on Haruki’s kindness. And like I mentioned before, she knows Haruki isn’t just hers. She has to share Haruki with her classmates and Haruki’s family and from how she regards herself as a gloomy girl, I’m certain a part of her feels she doesn’t want to hold Haruki back. That’s why she gives her her blessing to get a boyfriend.

True they were both lonely and aloof but Aya and Mei are different characters with different motivations.

Mei was detached but was looking to maintain her status quo and had huge responsibilities to maintain her good family name. She had to keep the school in order, get married, become Chairwoman, make her grand dad/dad happy and proud. Yuzu was an uninvited change in her life so their progress came at a different pace.

Aya was seeking. She was hoping for change, invited it even. She’s actively looking for someone to share her stuff with, maybe she and Haruki don’t really have similar interests, so she has things she wants to discuss that maybe Haruki might not know about.

Aya has always felt out of place. She didn’t keep people out because she didn’t want to be around them. For her it’s hard to make a connection irl so she chose to sign up on the dating up, hoping to play around, but as we see she knows a bunch of things can go wrong with her decisions yet she makes them anyway because believes it’s definitely better than what she currently had going on when Sei wasn’t in her life.

It’s not that great of a stretch to believe she would crave something more than her mundane everyday life she had of school related activities, Haruki barging in when Haruki feels like it, and waiting for her parents to come home.

Oh yes there is, and then they divorce/break up just as fast as they fell for each other. Or in these shows that you mentioned. You honestly take them seriously? Most of them are staged, and the couples there barely last.

That’s not the true in all cases. Most, for sure, but definitely not all. There are definite exceptions to the rule. They are the reason that some people still believe whirlwind romances can work out.

I honestly don’t watch dating shows but the Netflix show premise was interesting. Most of the contestants seemed like they were genuinely there to look for love, as opposed to most Bachelor contestants who are looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

Anyway I found it a little bit harder to stage, though I’m sure there were producers tying to influence things on the show and it was edited to show more drama, because couples families are involved and some of them actually got married and they’re all present on forms of social media so we can keep track of what’s going on in their lives....

And I was actually surprised to learn that not just one couple from the Bachelor ended up together- I always thought it was just Tristan and Ryan who have been married for 16 years.

The guidelines for love are different for all people.

True time can play an important role on the development of emotions yet there are couples who have known each other and been together for years yet still break up. Being in a relationship with someone for years isn’t a guarantee to lasting happiness.

Staying in love takes work. Sometimes people just don’t want to put in the effort or sometimes love just fizzles out and even though they’ve been together with someone for years, they still break up.

In this manga, someone might like them as a couple for various reasons. Their story is interesting and the art is pretty good. So it attracts readers and then you can bend the possibilities and go with the exception of the exception and believe this is a very strong love. It's not completely impossible. But I'm reading this with the most common and possible situation irl.

It’s totally fair, expected even, to judge the story based on your experiences and what you know from life.

I try to imagine myself as the character and see things from their perspective rather than basing their actions on what I would or would not do.

I don’t find it hard to believe that a lonely 15 year old would look to the internet to make a friend and then get caught up in a web of sex and drama. Like I said, it all depends on the person, their level of susceptibility, how in need of attention/company they are.

And Aya is depicted as someone looking to break free despite all her social awkwardness.

Although I'm sure there will be a happy ending.

I don’t want to hope for one because I don’t want to raise my expectations.

last edited at Apr 26, 2020 11:15AM