There's a difference between enjoying lolicon/shouta and being a pedophile and the two groups do not always overlap, but there does exist some lolicon/shouta that is clearly either created by pedophiles or is created for pedophiles such as those involving these realistic grooming scenarios and if you defend such works, you will often end up defending inherently problematic elements like grooming whether you mean to or not. Which is not a good look.
I stated there is " some lolicon by/for pedophiles" and that defending that specific category can easily result in the appearance of defending grooming and that THAT is not a good look. I object to the depiction of grooming very young children specifically and not necessarily to all lolicon/shouta works. I am also not the person you quoted as saying "'dangerously close' to real life" and did not use those words. I also did not accuse anyone of being "defenders of grooming" as if it's a job title and their life's work, but rather stated they will end up defending it, unintentionally or intentionally, in their attempt to defend certain works that depict it.
I was trying to be careful with my wording so please read carefully too instead of accusing me of projecting, which is uncalled for.
I never attacked anyone or made any generalizations. I accused one person with a clear history of including these elements in multiple works of possibly being a pedophile. I will remind you Itou Hachi also wrote "The Inferiority Complex is Not Over" which is literally about a self-identified pedophile struggling not to molest kids.
I might be wrong, but it's not like I'm pulling my opinion on the author out of thin air or starting an online smear campaign to get her arrested. I'm entitled to think Itou Hachi shows signs of being an actual pedophile and not just a troll or whatever (just as you are entitled to think the opposite) until we get proper evidence and confirmation one way or the other. I see a red flag and thus will vote with my wallet by not supporting her here or elsewhere and you don't see a problem; that's all. No need to scream "projection!" or any other subtle insults implying I'm the pedophile for not liking a problematic comic.
And... so what if Itou's a real life pedophile? Can you prove that she's diddling kids just because she released works about characters doing so? Also, is everyone who happens to put a good word in about this manga, or try to justify its themes, now suddenly a bad person? You might claim that that's not what you're saying, but that's what you're implying. That's quite a judgmental attitude you have there, don't you think? Does the creator of Saw construct elaborate death games in real life too? And are the people who enjoy it all secretly want to murder random people off the street? And before you try to reject the connection between these two, I'm gonna stop you, because the connection is valid and a good case to dismiss your nonsense claims that just because "some," as you say, works of fiction are "problematic," that they somehow hold less value intrinsically than those that you find no problems with, and thus not worth "defending," as you say. You're free to like what you like, and yes, do feel free to take your money elsewhere, but calling stuff problematic just because you personally don't like it is a disservice to productive discussion and makes you come off as a moralistic jerk. What you're saying is NOT criticism, it's insult, and I won't stand for it, regardless of whether I like a work of fiction or not.
PS: I also prefaced the projection thing with a "If I didn't know any better," so that's on you if you somehow felt offended by the offhand remark. Besides, I'm not even talking about projection of pedophilia, but projection of general character flaws. What was the saying again in English? "If the shoe fits..." was it? Your use of words like "problematic" and "not a good look" is a hallmark of people who think too highly of themselves, so I sure do hope you're not one of them.
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