Thank you....SO much Divulge. This has been one of my all time favorites. So satirically perfect with romantic happy end (?) too.

Nevri

Anna gets squeamish about it, but she doesn't seem to mind it one bit, so while it's technically sexual harassment, Anna doesn't seem to suffer from what that does to girls/women (make them uncomfortable because of the way they're body is put on a sexual pedestal of sorts). I suppose if they do end up having sex in the future, it'd also be technically statutory, but Anna wouldn't go out and complain to the police because there'd be consent and mutually informed feelings involved.

I would disagree with that. Anna actually don't like what Ema is doing. She clearly told her to stop. It wasn't like she thought to herself that she liked it, but is embarrassed about it. She was annoyed by Ema's behavior. Similar with make-up etc. to me it's more Anna just giving up and going along with Ema than actual consent. She could report that to police, but then what? She would go back to her parents (which she stated, she doesn't want) so she thinks the only option for her is going along with Ema's pranks. Unless Ema makes her fall in love, all she does is pushing herself on Anna and taking advantage of her. There wasn't really any positive development between them. Only Anna thinking "it can't be helped".

Of course, obviously, there is a lot of gray area here, so I am by no means saying you are wrong. Simply that, at the moment, I disagree.

I suppose that's a discretion thing. Because to a certain degree by that argument, every relationship is then started without any real positive development. Meaning, if you simply pushing yourself onto someone == not positive then all relationships are not positive. At some point, someone has to go a level of aggressive, otherwise the feelings just pass by each other for all of eternity. And in this particular case, our sample size is too small to legitimately claim whether or not Anna dislikes it for sure, so I'm giving Ema the benefit of the doubt. Plus Anna acquiescing did seem more of her own choice than it seemed like it was forced upon her.

That must be a pretty darn strict country, since it's legal everywhere in America to marry even your straight-up cousins. Some unnamed states even encourage it.

Well, that's not exactly true given that something like half the country prohibits it. But it does seem pretty complicated all the same.

It's that 'complicated' part. 'Legal' was the wrong word to use, my bad. But it's caught about at the same level possession of weed is caught: you were probably doing something really stupid and were screaming to the sheriff to cuff you up, or it was stumbled upon because you were pulled over for a different offense. But most of the time, it's really easy to loophole around those laws.

Source(s): 7 members of my family (1st degree of relation) are lawyers. I asked them this particular question a little under a year ago out of curiosity during a family birthday/reunion.

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I'm pretty sure in my country you can marry only from your 3rd cousin and so on, because at this point you're almost not blood related hence it's barely a incest, but it was ages since I heard that so I might remembering it wrong.

That must be a pretty darn strict country, since it's legal everywhere in America to marry even your straight-up cousins. Some unnamed states even encourage it.

Anyway, I pretty much like it so far. Ema worries me a little. If she was any more drunk in this chapter, she might actually raped Anna and while I'm not 100% against this kind of development (depends how it's done) I really would hate it here. I'm not sure yet who I ship more Anna x Ema or Anna x Miki. Both looks compelling so far, though I guess I like Miki more.

Miku...I don't know what to feel about her quite yet. I don't think she'd treat Anna good one bit...she'd just be a "best friend in crime" type. Ema I think actually fits quite well with her imho. But there's always development to go ofc.

Because Anna is taking pity on Ema after what happened yesterday. Ema was sexually harassing Anna before anyway and was ultra in your crotch with a lot of stuff already so I take it as sign that Anna just gave up.

And keep in mind that certain laws with regards to things like that are there to protect those in danger from predatory older men. Statutory rape and sexual harassment are the main ones. Anna gets squeamish about it, but she doesn't seem to mind it one bit, so while it's technically sexual harassment, Anna doesn't seem to suffer from what that does to girls/women (make them uncomfortable because of the way they're body is put on a sexual pedestal of sorts). I suppose if they do end up having sex in the future, it'd also be technically statutory, but Anna wouldn't go out and complain to the police because there'd be consent and mutually informed feelings involved. The concept of statutory rape as a black/white thing is kinda ridiculous. It's not like a people magically figure out what sex is and have the ability to fend for themselves at a certain age.

Side note, not condoning either of the above when they actually are crimes. Not a rapist, not a pedophile. Do not take away from this that I am saying either, because that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I like her both ways, Ill just be SUPER annoyed if the whole hair-cutting thing is because "oh im a lesbian okay now I gotta look boyish and show that im turning over a new leaf so imma cut my hair now".

But! No-Rae looks fantastic both ways. So I'm not complainin'.

Nez and I tend to either have super deep and philosophical banter or we talk about the most random shit.

Isn't that like half of all discussions on the forums?

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This conversation is the last thing I'd expect to see on Dynasty.

Nez and I tend to either have super deep and philosophical banter or we talk about the most random shit.

Home-made yogurt is awesome, even plain. Your argument is invalid.

Nonono not homemade yogurt. Cooking yogurt. If you've ever eaten it and can legitimately tell me you like it by itself then you craaaaaazy girl.

I have never in my life heard of a substance called "cooking yogurt". Even Google seems to draw a blank, so I'm really not sure what you mean.

So I went back and used these gifts from mother genetics called eyes and saw that you used the qualifier "EVEN PLAIN". Cooking yogurt is just a chef's name for plain yogurt. But I still stand by the fact you're crazy if you think plain yogurt by itself tasted anything remotely close to the word 'good'.

Long extended metaphor over now. My point was that this felt very skeletal and bland without much emotion. Not that it's cliche (because at least some of you know how much that word bugs me), it literally just felt like it was trying to be cookie-cutter cute and failed to give any character to the people involved.

Nya-chan

Dont mistake critique for lack of gratitude. I am grateful for the translators taking time for the translation. But just because Im grateful doesnt entitle me to like it.

Thing is...I love cute stuff. And it doesn't take much. But this felt like the author had no attachment or emotion when making this. Like I said: cooking yogurt. All he/she had to do was add some fruit or chocolate or use it for some bigger recipe and it woulda been good.

Home-made yogurt is awesome, even plain. Your argument is invalid.

Nonono not homemade yogurt. Cooking yogurt. If you've ever eaten it and can legitimately tell me you like it by itself then you craaaaaazy girl.

Nya-chan

Dont mistake critique for lack of gratitude. I am grateful for the translators taking time for the translation. But just because Im grateful doesnt entitle me to like it.

Thing is...I love cute stuff. And it doesn't take much. But this felt like the author had no attachment or emotion when making this. Like I said: cooking yogurt. All he/she had to do was add some fruit or chocolate or use it for some bigger recipe and it woulda been good.

meh, forgive me this is mostly because i am a romantic but i really don't like long-standing orgies like this, you wanna have one night stands? fine, not for me but that's ok, but i dont like orgies on the basis of OTP or OT3 (in very rare cases) is probably much more love filled and satisfying in the long run.

sex is fine and all but it only lasts a short time and when you get to the point where you are doing it with a shitton of people you dont care about it loses all meaning, so yeah basically because my views on sex tend to be that they should have more love in them i dont really like this much.

oh... I'm a total hopeless romantic and love romanticism, but I think that last chapter was great. Sure, it's smut. However, I could see the desperation coming true for Moe and feel the passion though the ultra-sex and BDSM. Sorry if that sounded too enthusiastic, I didn't mean it to be, but I think it turned out rather romantic in the end.

No, I personally totally agree with you on this one. I think that's where the saving grace of it is. I don't think Moe continuing the orgies is because she's indulging her own lust...she never did do it because she wanted to. And Ran never did it because she wanted to either. So Moe continues as the dorm mother back to its roots of teaching girls about some things they normally wouldn't learn otherwise for them to grow up and figure themselves out through sex.

...that's quite the sentence o.O

Regardless of whether you agree with the concept of the dorm basement's rowdy activities, it's a rather selfless act on Moe's part, and the fact Ran seems to support it oddly enough does the opposite of what we'd expect. It proves that Ran sees her love with Moe as above the chains of lust and trusts Moe to not fall prey to them herself.

It's a weird ending, but the entire setting I think is only viable under the precepts of either a thought experiment or a fantasy world, unless under very very very special circumstances.

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I dunno. This felt very...bland. Undercooked. Tasteless. Kinda like all the ingredients were just sorta thrown in according to a basic recipe without any spice. At the end of it all, we've got cooking yogurt, and I feel confused as to why such a thorough and careful preparation of the final product is so insipid; it simply cannot satiate me.

If you were able to palate the abuse of puns in that metaphor, brownie points to you.

A bit rushed, but I see what it's doing.

It's always good to have these reminders of what Madoka is about.

I'll be honest, I never thought I'd say the sentence "Wow that story was surprisingly good" for something pretty much meant to be smut until I found Mira.

I mean not spectacular by any means, but at least hard to call it bad unless your definition of 'bad' is 'it wasn't good'. I kinda liked it, all things considered.

Nevri

After falling asleep I realized I need to elaborate just a liiiiitle bit, so here we go (sry if this gets all textwally, Ill try to condense it):

Why would a person try to cheer up someone who is crying?
-They see the person crying
-They connect crying and upsetness, assume other person is upset
-They want the other person to be happy
+Why would they want the person to be happy?
-They like the person
-They think it's the right thing to do

Now if we look at those last two...those are not mutually exclusive. Why would someone want to cheer up the person they like? We can't say "because they like them" because that's begging the question. The reason is because it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to try and cheer up the person you like. But how does this separate any standard person you care about from the special person they like?

This is where it gets hard. Because that's where this kind of logical deduction ends up I'd bet 80% of the time when involving these questions. Why would you make food for someone? Why would you help someone move into their new apartment? Why would you write a note telling someone you're thinking about them? It usually boils down to "It's the right thing to do, inclusive of both people you like to a certain degree, and the person you love most in your heart". So how can we make a robot to love under logical determination? My own guess is to pick apart one specific person and make them the upmost priority in their life, which Hiro already has done. Again, that's my own opinion though. I obviously do not know for sure.

So I'm betting this series will propose it's own answer to that question. I look forward to seeing it.

Alright, I'll be damned if Shou doesn't do something huge, or at least meaningful next chapter. It's dragged on enough...I think he knows he's milked all the casual slice of life he can fit in over the last few.

Nevri

To lead before I respond: you must be on the side that doesn't think AI is possible, eh? Hehe. Also, thanks for the clarification on the game. I thought it was Go too, but the researchers talked about "shogi" afterwards so I got confuzzled.

Not necessary. All you said here is well within the program. Hiro knows that when people cry, they are sad. She knows that smiling can make other smile back. And she knows that in situation where someone is crying, she should try to cherry them up. She is acting according to what she learned and I bet she would react the same way if anyone else was crying in front of her. I don't deny she might felt compel to cherry Chika more, but the case of Chika crying (Hiro's kissing her as repaying "dept") is more than enough prove, that Hiro still don't understand actions driven by emotions. She ask how long is appropriate to kiss someone for crying out loud, because she doesn't understand that length isn't the key part.

That essentially is what I am saying though. Hiro is working entirely within her program, and my statement is that a robot working within the program is capable of love. Because even if it embodies itself in a different manner, she still has not done anything differently, and even though the reasons why she did what she did are essentially robotic, they are effectively still caring and specialized.

They were playing Go, but I nitpick ;x They didn't say she is learning how to love (ok, female scientist implied it, but I disagree, at least in terms that we think about love). They said she is building her own self, with preferences and attachments. By no means she "loves" Chika, but I had to say they way they set up is really clever. Hiro is a program so she is categorize things in order to mange data better. She had category for children and adults. When Chika said she is a adult, but according to law, she is still a child, Hiro couldn't put "Chika" in either category for the time being, so she ended up creating completely new category "Chika". Everything related to Chika is put here, so things like remembering her ribbons etc. is classify as Chika. That also explains why she ignored game of Go. Whatever on purpose or not, she set the priority of Chika related stuff as the highest one. That's why whenever Chika is involved, Hiro will react to it first. In a way Chika truly is special for Hiro, but still, she's only special because that is how Hiro's program is working.

Well "love" is hard to define. Everyone and everything is capable of love, there are just different levels of it. It is a word that encompanies the broadest spectrum in the English language. The thing is, Hiro is not doing anything different than a child learning how to love either. The dissonance is that Hiro is a person with young adult experiences, an adult mind, and a child's grasp on the concept of love (among other things most likely).

My best guess is that the feeling will continue to blossom, but when Hiro realizes it's love, Chika may be far older.

Nevri

I think again that's being unfair to the series as a whole though.

I understand wanting a yuri couple, but let's think about it: if Haruka and Yuu talk about how much in love they are and how great dating is...not much changes. Not much changes at all. It's the same relationship, but with them understanding what they're in. And the person you're in love with should be your specialest of friendships anyway.

As I've iterated before, there's a lot of introspection into what the relationship between love and friendship is in this series. If we calm down and not expect a dramatic angst-filled relationship building series and just read it as it is, it comes across a lot better. It's what I did, and it made this whole series wayyyyy better.

Plus, if you ever are desperately in need for a good yuri pair, just look at Shizuku and Kotone.

Special word of thanks for diligently uploading these KanColle works. Not a whole lot of clear benefit for them in comparison for other things you could be doing, but we greatly appreciate them.

i always figured that they are confused about their relationship because they essentially started backwards. its usually [confession -> dating -> lovers] or something similar but haruka and yuu are going [lovers -> dating -> confession].

mitsuki went the traditional route and that is what threw haruka for a loop. to her, [lovers -> dating -> confession] is the norm so she didnt understand what mitsuki was talking about.

Thing is, that it seems like they are COMPLETELY unaware of what love is or even dating. It's as if it is a foreign concept that does not cross their mind at any time (yet Haruka fantasizes about being married with Yuu (and Yuu thought she was gonna marry her)). They are so unbelievably ignorant (and dense) about the matter that it makes no sense, specially for high school girls.

I think it's a bit too harsh to use such absolute language. Yuu clearly has a brighter picture of what's going on with her heart, and Haruka may be dense and a bit ditzy but she absolutely knows 100% she values Yuu above anyone else, and the kisses do hold a very special meaning to both of them.

So while by no means experts in love, they have a qualified understanding of the concept and also a high level of confidence in what they think of each other.

Ikeno Kaede
"Makes a good pair with Yuzu"

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It's kinda funny the Introspection that Uko-sensei is doing right now. The whole deal with Hiro/Praha smiling because it increases the likelihood of someone smiling back...and there within the ending where it is clear she is smiling to Chika to get her to smile back, and nothing more...

...or is it?

I think not. Hiro knows to much about cultural norms and whatnot being a high school student, and knows people cry when they're upset, and smile when they're not (at least to the extent she knows). So her trying to get Chika to smile is not something so simple and robotic as simply because she learned to do that; Hiro knows that if she can get Chika to smile, that'd mean she's happy and thereby be cheered up. She's trying to cheer up Chika.

Now as they said, Hiro is currently learning herself how to love someone (specifically Chika), and does a lot of things even without active execution of a function (i.e. putting finding Chika at the Shogi place ahead of actually playing the Shogi game). Essentially the same thing as a subconscious action, which suggests she might subconsciously be starting to have feelings for/realize the feelings she has for Chika. Not sure which at this point.

Now also granted I think Hiro is legitimately a good person, and would want to cheer anyone up, but we have sufficient evidence that she puts Chika at least above anyone else in her life.

tl;dr - the author is cleverly using the way a robot fxs to illustrate how/why humans act certain ways when in love.

Wow. That was quite the sudden one, wasn' it?

I think I like this. It's quite the different take on the senpai x kouhai student council skeleton we've had in the past.

:'(

Well I lost care once I realized it was, actually, nothing but smut...but I still appreciate some representation of these two.

One of the most underrated couples in all of KanColle imho. Considering both of them are so incredibly WAY melodramatic over each other in about everything because of the rivalry with Ise and Hyuuga. Which makes sense considering the hx of the actual Fusou ships and Ises.

Now whenever I complete a tough sortie with these two I will only be able to imagine them doing this when we get back to the district.