Gay people: Love wins
two sisters love each other
Gay people: wait no not like that

"It's not your business what I do in the bedroom with a consenting adult if nobody is harmed, but it totally is my business what other consenting adults do"

As ridiculous as this "proshipper discourse" is at least these hypocrites are labelling themselves to be avoided now I guess. Although, it's difficult for me to wrap my head around. Like, of all the real problems in the world, you're choosing to stake your identity on opposition to siblings loving each other? That's the hill you need to die on? So badly that you can't even accept fiction of it? It's kind of hilariously sad.

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I understand Japan is conservative when it comes to LGBTQ issues

Your understanding is very wrong. Japan was long ahead of most Western countries in many ways, especially transgender rights. The only thing really lacking now is marriage equality, but it's more "when" than "if" - the public is in favour of it, but democracy is a slow-moving system designed to preserve the status quo, so legal change takes time.

Notably, Japan is not a Christian country. While there are many people that are indifferent to LGBTQ rights, the percentage of the population that rabidly hates gay people is significantly smaller than countries where ~half the population define their lives around a 2000 year old book that tells them to stone the gays.

This page already has me on the verge of tears. It's only the second chapter, you can't be pulling my heartstrings like this.

But also, I got way too distracted from the main story by goddamned Karen. Holy shit woman, keep your fucking pants on. Two 14 year-olds, at the same time!?

It's worse than that, the other girl is still in middle school. And it started a year ago. I think the thing that squicks me the most, though, is how s*x-obsessed said middle schooler is. Sex positivity is cool and all, but holy hell not at that age.

On the subject of Karen and the bar scene, it also bothered me in another way. Karen is portrayed as this mentor figure giving life advice for Aya to navigate her relationship with Marika. But the advice she gives is, like, "str8 girls have different values, to them it's not normal to have multiple casual sex partners, so try to see it from her view". Hello??? Aya isn't actually interested in casual sex, she just went along with it because YOU pressured her into it. Why do you think you're qualified to give this advice when you're the cause of the thing you're saying is the problem, Ms predator lady??

I too want to get bullied by a hopeless lesbian who is completely incapable of conveying her feelings properly

You'll have as many translations as there are translators.

You're agreeing with them, though? This just reinforces the point that there's plenty to discuss. Seems weirdly draconian to declare that nobody is allowed to talk about the nuances of the language. Especially given that nuances are actually often very relevant to the story and characterisation. If anything that comes across as trying to enforce your interpretation, which you've established yourself as being only one of many, as the "correct" interpretation, when no such thing exists. Obviously people shouldn't go around flinging unconstructive criticism at translators, but they absolutely should be able to talk about the translation.

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The way MC adapted to the lesbian bar so as not to offend them was cute tho; what a polite girl.

It's hilarious to me that the entire premise of this yuri story is that the main character is a homophobe, but in actuality she's the least problematic character, by a lot. Bless Marika's heart

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Oh baby, work me like you work your Pringles

That's cool. You're allowed to enjoy it, and other people are allowed to not enjoy it and stop reading if the subject matter makes them unhappy. I think it's a good idea to provide content warnings so people can find the kind of content they're looking for and avoid the stuff they aren't.

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Regarding consent, it gets a lot worse before it gets better. What had been depicted so far in the manga actually hadn't bothered me, but what comes later this volume is pretty egregious, and I think it's unfair to tell people to stick with it because it gets better without warning about this.

There's a scene where she very explicitly refuses Aya. Not the usual ambiguous culture, "dame means yes", but straight up: "今日はえっちしないから" ("I don't want to have sex today"), followed by Aya forcing herself on her despite repeated denials.

Also, this became massively problematic in an entirely other way, so... might as well warn about that too.

Aya's boss, the owner of the lesbian bar, is a predator who has sex with both Aya and a middle schooler. This is portrayed completely uncritically. The actual sex isn't depicted, mind you, but even though I have a pretty high tolerance for lolicon in yuri romance this made me really squeamish. I think because there's no romance, just casual sex with minors, and also perhaps because the setting of a lesbian bar is more grounded in reality than most lolicon yuri and that makes it all the more believable and therefore yucky.

Also, I really want to know if Aya is still just edging her, or if she actually let her finish.

In the light novel, it was clearer. In this chapter, she came multiple times. No more teasing, just plain ole sex with no acknowledgment for the progression.

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Villainess light novels and going off the deep end with the plot, name a more iconic duo

I've gotta say, pretending to be asleep so your girlfriend will strip you herself is some high-quality lewd play

boru is literally the best yuri doujin author on the planet don't @ me

Not sure if anyone else was following this, but wanted to update that last week the union-busters were defeated and the union was successfully recognised. Money well spent, wasn't it? I'm still in disbelief that the owner of such a small company was determined to stiff their workers that badly, but I'm glad for the union.

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tfw "the childhood friend always loses" is a documented statistic

(unless the above is the kind of person who wouldn't watch Madoka because it's just yuri bait)

(Madoka Magica movie ending spoilers contained below, late bloomers like myself be forewarned)

I did actually just give in and watch Madoka this week after a particularly interesting manga was posted here recently, and I was pleasantly surprised. I was a little disappointed by the TV anime, which really did feel like yuri baiting early on with Sayaka talking about wifing Madoka only to have a het interest define most of her character, but the movie plenty made up for it. I have to admit that "reshaping the entire universe while declaring your love" is pretty unambiguously yuri, and Kyouko / Sayaka had some incredibly gay handholding action too. Like, that was some high-sexual-tension handholding, no doubt about it. I guess I'll have to give Revue Starlight a shot too if it's comparable.

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There's always a message that tells "You like that ship? Watch the anime" and at this point I don't know why I am refusing to do it. I am addicted to this ship lol

Personally, my reason is that I just get frustrated watching series that are clearly yuri baiting but won't commit. Better to just read the fan works in that case.

ahhh yes.. depression

The clinical term is homupression.

I like the little hints this has to the tragic stuff in the original, like mami and kyouko getting a traffic safety and household harmony charm

Wow, I didn't catch that, that's darkly clever. Personally I freaking lost it when Mami instantly went into murder-suicide mode over the last slice of cake.

The irony is that the Dunning-Kruger isn't even a proper thing nor was it actually made by either Dunning nor Kruger.

Not sure where you're getting that from. The cognitive bias that ignorant people don't know they're ignorant because they're ignorant and don't know what they don't know, is absolutely a "thing", and the bias is named such because Dunning and Kruger co-published a scientific study about it in a peer-reviewed journal. The only thing that isn't "a thing", I guess, is the chart, which isn't and doesn't claim to be rooted in the science but is just a demonstration to communicate the concept to laymen, which I think should be pretty apparent from labels like "Mount Stupid".

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Yeah, dunno. I was here for a bit of angst but it didn't actually go anywhere at all so what was the point? Might as well have kept things fluffy if it was just going to revert to status quo 2 chapters later anyways.

My two cents: It's not okay to bash other people just because you phrase it politely. You literally didn't even understand the story, going by your first comment, and yet you repeatedly attacked the author and, um, exhibitionists, I guess, even though this story had absolutely nothing to do with exhibitionism (Kaguya didn't know they were being watched until the end). It doesn't matter whether you used profanity, you're just using this thread to soapbox and judge people, for something that isn't even related to the story. And even if it did contain the fetish in question, there is nothing productive about making 10 comments saying how much you hate it. Make a comment saying it's not your cup of tea if you must, but other people are allowed to enjoy and discuss it, which is hard when you derail the thread by saying how the author is wrong and bad over and over and over again.

On a more positive note, this was a wonderful manga. Really unique concept and interesting take on the characters.

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