Delinquent used as writing material and seems to be about love triangle, writer was writing about her own love for delinquent. Delinquent thought it was her and a glasses girl.

That would be "One Who Depicts Love" by Yotsuhara Furiko (havent quite figured out the linking thing yet)

So looks like Shion isn't really the predator that many of you accused her of in previous chapters, eh?

This is why you wait for the story to play out before you jump to conclusions.

ikr, when you judge something, you should know BOTH versions of the affair and not only from the most druken side of the story. Not only Nozomi was the one who asked Shion but Shion didn't want to in the beginning.

Except that people were obviously speculating based on what we knew at that point, which is a completely reasonable thing to do. You dont have to wait for a story to finish to discuss your opinions of a series and its characters lol.

Regarding After School, while theres only 1 chapter here on dynasty, theres 9 translated chapters out already (on mangadex and the like) and , so i recommend checking those out aswell.

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Night & Frog

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So this also confuses me, Night and Fog (im assuming thats what it has to be since i found absolutely nothing under "night and frog") is a french war documentary and Viktor E Frankl wad an austrian psychiatrist but these 2 seem to have nothing to do witz each other.
But then, theres some japanese book called Words of Viktor Frankl, "Night and Fog", which is apparently about him (at least thats what a few google-translated japanese comments seemed to indicate) and, according to some amazon listing, made by him, which sounds dodgy considering its release is a while after his death.

Tbh i dont see how the other girl couldnt be in love with each other, it could just not be shown here since Kanon is the one in a dilemma so shes getting focused/comforted.

To rephrase the question, besides biological issues (which dont matter if you just dont have kids), whats intrinsically wrong about consensual incest ?

In this case, we'd be talking about an adult-minor relationship involving an authority figure(with an intrinsic status as such, rather than the more transient authorities of teachers, etc). Like I said, dragging this into the real world isn't a good idea if you want it to remain cute.

Except that i specified "intrinsically wrong with consensual incest" rather then talking about this specific example, which if the age gap makes it ilegal, it isnt really consensual.

That sounds like some rather selective invocation of legality, just sayin'.

What that sounds like is me arguing about the moality of incest in general, not about this specific example. Obviously you cant just take an example that is already problematic due to other reasons, point at that and go: "see incest is bad".

To rephrase the question, besides biological issues (which dont matter if you just dont have kids), whats intrinsically wrong about consensual incest ?

In this case, we'd be talking about an adult-minor relationship involving an authority figure(with an intrinsic status as such, rather than the more transient authorities of teachers, etc). Like I said, dragging this into the real world isn't a good idea if you want it to remain cute.

Except that i specified "intrinsically wrong with consensual incest" rather then talking about this specific example, which if the age gap makes it ilegal, it isnt really consensual.

They're judging it through the lens of real life; boomerism has nothing to do with it.

Same thing with real life, what's the problem if they're cute girls?

To rephrase the question, besides biological issues (which dont matter if you just dont have kids), whats intrinsically wrong about consensual incest ?

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Btw someone correct me if im wrong, but didnt taiyaki at some point basically confirm there was gonna be a sex scene ? I seem to remember someone mentioning that in here and linking the tweet

Hello, there's one manga I simply can't recall the name of and I don't know what to search to find it.
It's a oneshot yuri, between a Japanese girl that lives by an american military base and an American (?) girl that lives on the base, and they communicate through a fence. It would probably be tagged with Drama.
Thank you if anyone finds it, since that description was pretty vague lol

That would be F.U.S.S.A by Togashiko Fumi

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Suzuki Senpai delivers as always

This trainwreck of a thread is a pretty solid counter argument to the "people can enjoy a bad thing in fiction without normalizing it in real life" argument. People will look at an extremely romanticized fictional portrayal of something and then turn around and act like it's at all representative of the reality of that situation. Also, good god stop comparing incest to LGBT relationships you absolute loons.

Most people havent been doing that tho. Im well aware that alot of incest relationships/encounters arent great (a large ammount of them just being child abuse) however what me and most others have been trying to argue is that incest isnt INTRINSICLY bad and has a very real chance of going well between two consenting adults, against which someone still has to provide a valid counterargument.

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Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

You have to understand the difference between a manga and real life. I can read incest stories and find it good but it's a different matter if someone said they go out with a family member in real life. I think i couldn't accept it.
By the way, the line between grooming and raising your childs as a parent is very thin.

It's not surprising you couldn't accept it, you don't accept almost anything of what you read.

What even is your problem ? I don't have problems with incest as long it's fictional and I wouldn't read a story so long about incest if I didn't like it. I said (see, it's the tricky part, hope you can follow) that's I have a problem with IRL incest, I will be a bit grossed out if someone I know said they have romantics feelings for one of their family member, regardless of the gender.

tl;dr : I'm ok with Incest as long as it's only fictional.

Heres the problem with your previous statement tho, you said you "couldnt accept" it. Being grossed out by something is perfectly fine but when you say it like that it kinda insinuates that youre against people being allowed to do it, which people are obviously gonna have an issue with.

DridyEXE posted:

So first of all, how people are arguing that that Utena is doing isnt abuse cuz Azul kinda enjoyed it is beyond me. Surely we're not about to have a "its not rape if they like it" debate on dynasty of all places. Secondly, people keep talking about how Utena really likes magical girls and is just upset to see one surrender, which is obvious but also really doesnt matter, hell, one could argue that that makes it worse. The main points i was making are that A: Utena is a hypocrit cuz shes angry at Azul for giving in to a desire even tho thats what shes been doing the entire time, and B: that shes even more of a hypocrit and kind of an ass cuz shes the main cause for all this in the first place, and her intent in the matter really doesnt change anything because her actions dont reflect it. Its as if i walked up to a friend and broke their leg and then proceeded to argue that i only did it cuz i enjoy watching them overcome hardship and grow stronger. I feel like thats what half this comment section is aswell, people keep trying to make arguments in favour of Utena that end up boiling down to "Well she means well so its fine right ?", as if that justifies her actions ???
Btw just incase any1 think i hate Utena/this manga, i very much dont. The main reason im so upset at this is cuz i really enjoy this manga and like Utena as a character, so having the newest chapter leave me with such a bitter aftertaste is frustrating.
So basically, the main three arguments for Utena have been "Well Utena meant well so its fine", "Azul is at fault, shouldnt have given in so easily" and "Well she kinda liked it so its not bad", which either thats some lack of self-awareness or people on here are alot more yikes then i thought. Like these are arguments that ive seen plenty of times before, and not exactly in a good context.

Ffs is not a romance or a hentai (it is close to the later, I'll give you that) and I believe that no one here has ever said something close to "she likes it so it's fine" and even if that were the case you're still fundamentally wrong because Utena IS A VILLAIN, she's NOT supposed to care about collateral damage, she's completely free to fall to darkness and enjoy it and if there's some kind of retaliation or justice for her it will come from the hands of the magical girls.

No one is saying this is fine, we're just having a blast because we're seeing a rare case where the villain is the protagonist in a magical girls show, the vast majority of people laughing and having a good time here already understood that Utena is twisted and BAD (so we don't need to talk about it every single episode) so please stop with that "She's not supposed to hurt them, she's to ask for permission and to act properly, she's an hypocrite!" no no no, that's not a villain, you're asking for a villain to act like a good girl and you're mad because Utena is asking a good girl to act like a good girl, to not fall to darkness, to not give up (and this IN NO WAY means that is Azul's fault).

You don't like that the villain is saying that of all people? well that was even acknowledge inside the series at the end of the chapter, it's supposed to be ridiculous, not appropriate.

You're using an analogy of a friend hurting you for your own good, just to make it look worse... But you're far, far from what's really happening, a crazy bad girl not holding back going against her admired rivals, And she got hit plenty of times too, blood and all, they're not being kind to each other's and they're not friends... They're supposed to fight and Utena is playing dirty (as she's meant to do).

But sure, keep talking about raping and blaming the victim and dynasty users agreeing with that... But keep it on your head where all those comments really are, we're not reading a cheap hentai here, so before you start saying that dynasty forum likes to throw rocks at girls that have premarital sex I suggest we stop, you're fighting the wrong battle in the wrong place with the wrong enemy.

First of all, you seem to have completely misunderstood what my original criticizm of the chapter was. What i was criticizing was that i felt the manga was setting up to have Utenas disgust at Azul be used as a means to put Azul back on the "right" path, which would bother me because 1. i dont think what Azul did is even very reprehensible and 2. Utena criticizing her about that feels jarring because shes been doing the same for a while now. Obviously, my comment was entirely based on speculation as to how the manga would continue and this is something i stated in one of the earlier comments.
Secondly, i dont know if we've been reading the same comment section or where exactly you have your "Noone here is arguing that" from, but the entire reason my comments went to arguing why Utena is being a bad person was because people were defending her or arguing that Azul was at fault for giving in. I dont doubt that you view Utena as a villain and a twisted and horrible person but im pretty sure a lot (if not most people here) dont, me included, which is why after my initial comment, half the comment section was something like "why are you trashtalking my girl Utena". But hey, considering that you said about her being aweful, i guess we both disagree with the same people lol

Dridy, i never said what Utena was doing was right. look at what i typed.
"she learned losing control like that in a non-harmful manner can be fun, and it opened the door"
"she thinks Baiser is the only way to get"

All i said is that the interactions with Baiser revealed she was wired this way, not that Utena was in the right. Trust me, i know way way too much about abusive BDSM RL.

My comment wasnt specifically aimed at you, but yea i was a bit too standoffish, my bad. Just getting kinda frustrated at people saying that the blame lies with Azul for giving in. I do think though that "non-harmful" isnt something we can assume and definitly something that Utena cant and hasnt assumed. Tbh i kinda hope the manga goes a semi-serious route now an properly adresses what everyones been doing but thats highly unlikely sadly.

Pretty sure ignoring a plague is pretty dangerous (pretty relevant topic lol) but yknow

So first of all, how people are arguing that that Utena is doing isnt abuse cuz Azul kinda enjoyed it is beyond me. Surely we're not about to have a "its not rape if they like it" debate on dynasty of all places. Secondly, people keep talking about how Utena really likes magical girls and is just upset to see one surrender, which is obvious but also really doesnt matter, hell, one could argue that that makes it worse. The main points i was making are that A: Utena is a hypocrit cuz shes angry at Azul for giving in to a desire even tho thats what shes been doing the entire time, and B: that shes even more of a hypocrit and kind of an ass cuz shes the main cause for all this in the first place, and her intent in the matter really doesnt change anything because her actions dont reflect it. Its as if i walked up to a friend and broke their leg and then proceeded to argue that i only did it cuz i enjoy watching them overcome hardship and grow stronger. I feel like thats what half this comment section is aswell, people keep trying to make arguments in favour of Utena that end up boiling down to "Well she means well so its fine right ?", as if that justifies her actions ???
Btw just incase any1 think i hate Utena/this manga, i very much dont. The main reason im so upset at this is cuz i really enjoy this manga and like Utena as a character, so having the newest chapter leave me with such a bitter aftertaste is frustrating.
So basically, the main three arguments for Utena have been "Well Utena meant well so its fine", "Azul is at fault, shouldnt have given in so easily" and "Well she kinda liked it so its not bad", which either thats some lack of self-awareness or people on here are alot more yikes then i thought. Like these are arguments that ive seen plenty of times before, and not exactly in a good context.

I think that's the point. Utena is the MC but she's also the villain. She can be awful, a hypocrite, an asshole, and not be accountable or responsible for anything cause well, she's the villain. Azul is supposed to be one of the heroines. She's held to a higher standard. She's not allowed to fall that low or break, and if she does, she's expected to get back up. And I think, that's what Utena expects out of them despite her efforts to make them submit. She doesn't want them to be like her: falling cause of their desires. She looks up to magical girls after all.

Right, which is why its so jarring to see Utena of all people be the one to criticize her for it. Its like watching a criminal beat up some security guy and once the latter, wounded and tired, gives up and begs for mercy the criminal starts lecturing him and somehow the narrative acts like the criminal is somehow right. Which btw the whole idea that Azul is commiting some big sin here is also lost on me. Like these are 14 year old girls who got picked basically randomly cuz they were brave one time so her giving in is pretty understandable. Turns out, normal people cant just willpower their way through continuous abuse and not be affected by it, especially when theyre 14.

Well the last panel pretty much confirms this.

While thats true, the way it looks is theyre playing it off for laughs again. The main thing that bothers me here is that characters arent being held as accoumtable by the narrative. Utena can go around being aweful as much as she wants cuz the manga keeps playing it as a joke and not taking it seriously while Azul breaks at a pretty understandable point and the manga sets up to scrutinize her and have Utena whip her back into shape (pun intended) with her words.
Obviously this is just my speculation for how the next chapter is gonna go and maybe ill get surprised but thats the direction i see the story going in for now.

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Aight, all this talk of agreeing with Utena is annoying me cuz this chapter has her being a hypocritcal shit. Literally from the start her whole thing is that while she doesnt want to be on the evil side, she keeps giving in to her desires. And once one of the magical girls does that its all dissapointment and disgust ? And while the MC isnt really supposed to be seen as an amazing person, if theyre gonna treat her saying this as something correct and have the magical girl take it as a source for character development while the MC (who was the one who brought her to that point ik the first place) being a hypocrit and acting like an asshole/being responsible for all this in the first place keeps getting played off as a cheap joke like they did in this chapter, imma be pissed.

Slavery and Smartphones in the same era? Seems weird, but sure

Last time i checked, slavery was still a pretty big problem

Honestly this is the kinda series im gonna stay the fuck away from until the comments tell me that its going in a good direction for both girls, do not feel like being miserable.

Huh, i asked about this manga on the forum like 3 days ago and now it gets reuploaded, funny coincidence.

As for Hagiwara, i feel like its indicated that it wasnt him that told the class but rather his friends (Hell, he even tells them to knock it off when they talk about it) so id say no fault to him.

Tis the time for spicy comment sections

Thank you, that's it! No wonder I didn't find it by looking through tags. I'm not sure what else could be applied to it, though. (I'd still say that's not moe art, but it is more standard manga style than I remembered.) I feel like there should be a new tag for manga which are poignant but which don't warrant the "depressing as fuck" tag.

I feel like there could definitly be a tag for manga that cover a very large timespan and sorta show the summary of someones life, like "Born this way" and "I could just tell".