I fear this won't end well if we continue... but I'll give one final statement as well. If for some unknown reason someone wants to continue, you can go to the Dynasty Cafe. I check it out regularly.
@Nevri See, this is where you tripped up. If Illya remembers the bad memories of the Einzbern legacy and lives through them, she becomes like Kuro. Kuro's base is Illya. The additional information is what altered her. In the same way Archer's base is Shirou, but the additional life experience made him different. These two cases are the exact same thing.

The very definition of twins denies your assertion, so I can't really agree. That's all.

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^Personality is irrelevant. I said mind. She shares all of Illya's memories, except she also remembers the bad stuff. Selfcest has nothing to do with personality. If two people are genetical clones to the last detail then it's selfcest. Kuro wasn't born in a lab or from Irisviel's womb, she is simply a split part of Illya fused with the Archer card. That makes her more indentical to her than any twin could ever be.

My example of Archer and Shirou was supposed to convey this. Archer has a completely different personality and viewpoint on the world from his younger self. He gained new powers and was even physically altered due to overstraining his magic circuits. Yet if thos two got it on it would still be selfcest. Because both of them are Emiya Shirou. Kuro/Chloe is Illya, even if nobody in the story wants to acknowledge it.

It is Selfcest. You can philosophize all you want, but that's a fact. Same way Shirou and Archer getting it on would be selfcest. Or standard Arturia and Arturia Alter. Whether you wanna tag it that or not, it's just what it is. Their bodies and mind are exactly the same, with the exception of Kuro also having all the bad memories.

What got under my skin was Reimu's expression on the last page. Such deep affection... Haaah.

This was always the weakest link of this particular triangle to me, but this author made it pretty cute.

Except for Alice being a lolicon. How could you do that to the puppeteer who makes small girl dolls come alive and controls them to do her bidding... Ohhhh.

^I don't need to. Every single official material since the first wrong translation has done that for me. ┐(´∀｀)┌

^Not as much of a meme as calling her "Aeris".

@elevown Forget about the anime, it's trash.
Anyway, this is going to be too long to fully get into, but the fact of the matter is:
1. Illya and Kuro are in love with Shirou (sorry, I don't care for it either, it's just a thing that was taken over from F/SN, because haha funny). I'm not saying they can't have a crush on several people, it should just be remembered that this will loom over the entire thing forever.
2. Illya only sees Kuro as a little sister. This has never once been contradicted, not even with subtext. Her protectiveness is just part of that.
3. Kuro likes messing with Illya and every single kiss or lewd thing she does in the series is purely for fanservice. Not a single one can be taken seriously. It's her comedic quirk. (It's even more obvious in the anime)
4. Illya and Miyu have endless "hey this is a gay magical girl show too" subtext moments and narratively speaking they are optimal partners (as in they complete each other). Whether you like the chemistry or not, it's how they are written. Kuro is the typical rival foil of "I'm like your opposite mirror image".
5. Miyu is gayer for Illya than a rainbow shooting scissors from its bow. The manga is very heavy on the subtext there.
6. Kuro would rather pick Miyu than the entire world. She has been doing nothing but thinking of and supporting Miyu for all of 3rei. Illya is merely a side-concern.
7. Illya is more restrained in every direction, but she only flips her switch with Miyu (literally).

I don't mind if people ship them or disagree with my opinion, but the above is at the very least as unbiasedly objective as I can see the manga.

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BugDevil posted:

As far as I read in the manga of Bakarina, Katarina is indeed too stupid to understand romantic love towards her in the slightest. It's kind of a pain lol

Yeah it's fine if she thinks they like her as a friend but if she outright ignores a passionate confession said straight (and some of them not straight at all :)) ) to her face then I feel like is not worth getting excited before the real ending, so after the student council arc I Dropped the manga, it was a great "ending" and I'm not interested in what comes next.

Now, "ignoring" is not the right word... She just spurs things like "hahahahaha when the harem starts fighting for her or "Welp I don't get it but :D :D :D let's go get my tomatoes" so it gets weird after a while.

The author originally ended the story in the WN after chapter 22 of the manga. So you can see what the ending was supposed to entail. After it was picked up as a LN the plot was stretched out, so everything post chapter 22 is that new territory that wasn't supposed to happen. Perhaps the friendship ending was indeed what the story was going for or it was suppsoed to be a lot more conclusive and was then altered to make a continuation possible.

Whichever it may be, the author's way of elongating it isn't very appealing to me either. The characters are entertaining enough to continue reading, but until it actually truly ends I'd not get my hopes up for Bakarina to leave her personal black hole. Harems are not my thing, but the main appeal of this one is that it's a bi-harem, which is rarer than any other and that Katarina is using Otome game knowledge to survive. If both aspects are halted, it becomes less interesting.

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^Most of the ones that have Tifa x Aerith beyond the point where she dies usually do. Setting up the relationship well doesn't really change the outcome in any way.

Aerith death was implied to be necessary for the game to end the way it did. It was almost inevitable and required. Saying it was only done to be a tearjerker moment is kind of devaluing her part in the story. I am sure some people can write it believable enough with careful retcons, but I don't exactly got my hopes up after everything I read.

Don't remind me of Advent Children. -‿‿-

The only people who make hentai of it are obviously disgusting lolicons catering to their rape fetish. Of course there are almost no yuri doujins. The people in it for the loli fanservice are the ones who would do porn of it in the first place, not the ones who actually like Prillya for the story and lore. So they also dont care about the actual relationship dynamics (btw there is nothing between Illya and Kuro. Both of them care more about Miyu in that way).

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As far as I read in the manga of Bakarina, Katarina is indeed too stupid to understand romantic love towards her in the slightest. It's kind of a pain lol

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^There are a loooot of fixer fics where Aerith comes back. Personally I feel it cheapens the impact of the game if you do that though.
There is beauty in the emphemerality of her life. Like a flower that only blooms for one day.

Tasty ears.

Wait... is the one to Reimu's right Sanae or the one sitting at the table? The one at the table looks more like her, but the other one might be a grown up version? But I thought they dont age. Confusing.

^Oh sweet summer child...

But why?

Now that's a different kind of peek-a-boo.

^That's 90% of why I want any character to be in it.

This artstyle is so close to the original. Every single time I notice that Hakunon's eyes are absurdly huge compared to everyone else. Anime squirrel.

Mokou actually has a grenade in her mouth and Kaguya has the pin between her lips. If they move apart they will get blown to heaven.

^^ Kisama just means 'you' right? but in a disrespectful way- so I dont think 'asshole' is a good translation - I think i'd go with 'damn you' - since it also keeps the 'you' meaning.

The most common translation used for kisama I've seen is "bastard". It's that level of disrespect, but also not really a word anybody takes seriously anymore. It's just an over the top way to talk down to someone, which fits right in with Shamiko's Saturday morning villain approach to things (Don't think this means you've won!).

This is without a doubt the best MachiMazo douijn on the market right now. The art is gorgeous, the attention to detail impeccable and it's all very much in character for everyone.

I especially love the way this author addresses Shamiko's subconscious possessiveness and feelings. She doesnt allow herself to realize that she loves Momo, but she still gets upset by the idea that Momo doesn't love her. The "I am sure there is one" is a cry from her heart that Momo loves her.

If Momo ever tries to confess (again), she better do it in some private place, because this goddamn appartment complex is too crowded. lol

I can't see Shamiko calling her an asshole straight out like that... otherwise seems like something that could totally happen in the manga.

Shamiko literally called Momo "kisama" dozens of times in the manga. These translators turned it into asshole, which is in the general ballpark at least.

Why are people assuming that the blessing will bend people to the protagonist's desire rather than the blessing just meaning that the protagonist will be dumped into the location they're most likely to meet those who are compatible with them? That combined with the fact that a blessing is considered favorable by the people themselves doesn't do anything at all to violate someone's free will.

Well I don't want to insult you, but.... have you even paid attention?
There is a visual indicator when she uses her blessing. She even literally says that she will use her blessing to manipulate them. Even Blanchett tells her not to abuse her blessing to sway her.

It's only considered favorable, because a LITERAL GODDESS blessed a human being, not because the blessing is inherently a morally acceptable thing. If the god of some church bestowed the power to make people's heads explode to someone, it would be a terrible blessing that will be misused for sure... but its still divine, so the blessed will be treated like a prophet.

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^I can assure you that it barely even was subtext. At the start there were some very little moments where Eleanor was acting a bit tsundere towards Velvet, but for the rest of the game she was just the good girl who supports her friends archetype. And I specifically was looking out for it, because people told me how much subtext there was for Veleanor.