Martian
I second that, someone need to be demented to be offended by her looks, or is someone who believes in Muslim, not that the two are really ay different... Just joking before anyone says anything

Either way, fucking saved it! Nah just kidding, maybe... Same for searching it on google... (>_>) Creepy enough for you Su? xD

14 posts left for 300 pages~~

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Su
I see, well, she did got warned, you shouldn't force with those people, guess at least she won't try that again. :/

Exactly. And knives also have another big advantage: they don't run out of ammo. ;)

Well, but most situations, by the time the gun is without ammo you're probably dead. xD

One of these examples where it's better to be a guy. When a woman gets stalked, it's usually not because the stalker wants to talk. >.<

Indeed, man it's always to get beaten or killed, or just threatened, but woman? One way or another it almost always end up in rape, though sometimes it is to kill, or to rape and kill, or kill and then rape, at least when the stalker is a guy.

It's not that bad here. XD There are some neighborhoods where you can sleep on a park bench and wake up without having gotten mugged, raped or worse. However, there are also some neighborhoods you shouldn't even consider setting foot in unless you know what you're doing and can defend yourself against 2 or more people at once. Berlin is a bit extreme in that regard. It really is a black and white city. :/ But like I said, I like to be prepared, so when I'm walking around in places I don't know like the back of my hand, I'm usually armed. As for Lin, she doesn't walk at night anyway. XD She drives a lot. The world is a lot safer in a car. XD And like I said: when she knows she's about to do something dangerous, she asks either me or her brother for backup before.

I think you can say nowadays everywhere is kind of black and white, I have the impression that most places the contrast between safe and dengerous neighborhoods got bigger, I mean, it's not that in the past it had more safe areas, more like the criminals just got more violent, but I guess it depends a lot on where you live, and here on Brazil the world is not more safer in a car, actually depending on the area it's more dangerous, you have to stop your car you can already have someone demanding you to get out and maybe shooting you in the face, or shooting you in the face and taking your corpse out of the car, or if you're lucky, just express kidnapping where they take you to an ATM to take all of your money they can, though if you're a woman they might molest you too, and they might shoot you in the face to finish.

as for Lin, I can imagine how she must be paranoic about her name or pictures, especially if she's particularly pretty

o.o... coughprettyisanunderstatementcough I wouldn't say she's paranoid about it, just reasonably careful. Like I said: she's been there. I don't think any sane person would like a repeat of what she went through, even if it was just for a few weeks. :T

Oh yeah, the person needs to be really dumb to go through the same again, and even creepy stalker aside, with the kind of people she deals with she don't really have a choice, also, nothing wrong from jumping from reasonably careful to paranoic, a little paranoia is good.

I'm not eager to post it. XD I'm just repeating the point I made a while ago. When we talked about pics and etc. in this thread, I also offered to post a pic of me if anyone's interested in how I look, but nobody said they were interested, so I didn't post one. ^^ Anyway, I'm gonna post the same pic I posted in the other forum, mainly cause my phone is broken and I don't wanna go through the pain of taking another one with Lin's freaking migraine of a webcam. DX Hold on a sec.

Haha, but you sounded kind of eager xD, well, maybe no one noticed well you offered, when the thread is more active some posts can go unnoticed, it happened with me a few times.

Hunting/Survival hybrid type knife with a 6 inch blade and a rubber grip hilt. I can't take a pic, cause like I said: phone's broken. But I'll look if I find one on the net that looks similar. o.o

Well, if you can't find one you can take a picure another time, cause now I want to see it, I like knifes, guns and so on, if I had the money I would probably be full of guns and fortify my house, in part just in case a zombie apocalypse happened Yeah I'm not very sane 8D, if I had one to have with me it would probably be a knuckle knife since I could also punch people with it instead of just using the blade, as for gun, maybe a Beretta, or probably any 9mm gun with a 30 bullets magazine, firepower is overrated and low caliber makes it more obvious that it's for self defense, easier to explain to the law, is it just me or this weapon talk is making me sound kind of crazy or at least a little psychotic? xD

I apologize for offending your eyes, but Thia asked for it. o.o

Here.

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/lememihlyp3wru.jpg

I brightened it up a little so you don't see the bruise on my left jaw. XD
Now, to look for a knife pic... o.o

Well hello there pretty, if only I could find a girl like you to offend my eyes everyday~~ saved pic (TvT) Did I sound creepy enough? 8D

Since you said "o.o... coughprettyisanunderstatementcough" about Lin now I can't help but wonder how pretty she is since you imply she's more pretty than you are, but obviously I'll never see it right? xD

This is the closest I found:

http://bw-online.net/media/image/thumbnail/44433_720x600.jpg

The shape of the blade is pretty much the same as mine, only that the top edge of my knife is smooth and blunt instead of serrated. Also, the hilt is covered in black, rough rubber to increase grip.

Well hello there other pretty, why not a serrated one? That could be useful someday, and like I said above, hope you can take a pic of yours another time, though I can probably kind of imagine how it is.

Thank you. Hooray i got to see your photo first!

Either that, or you're the only one left, who hasn't gone blind and can still comment. XD

Haha, I took some time replying everything, ended up being a big post, hope I didn't forget anything, but if your picture could make us blind, than mine would make everyone head explode like that guy from Scanners, I was going to post a gif of it, but didn't find a good one.

mvl89
Sorry to say it, but I saw it way before you decided to post about it, I didn't say anything cause I was still writing my post. xp

And indeed, 17 posts until we complete 300 pages.

last edited at May 4, 2016 4:41PM

Su
Now I'm curious, what kind of knife you use? Hunting? Combat? Brass knuckles? You have a picture of it or some link that shows the same knife?

Also, we're almost at 300 pages girls~~

last edited at May 4, 2016 3:37PM

Su

sighs As awesome as she overall is, but Lin has some sort of mental blockade going on that prevents her from physically defending herself. If you seriously challenge her on an intellectual basis, she's going to verbally bitch slap the shit outta you until you're lying on the ground and begging for mercy, but in an actual fight she's utterly useless. I'm not gonna forget the day when the hospital called me and told me to try to show up if I can cause they got my girlfriend in the pit and mine was one of the numbers in her phone to call in case of emergency. So I drove there and thank God it was nothing too serious (she had a black eye, bruised chin, cut lower lip and her wrist was bruised as well), but when she told me what had happened, I was seriously mad at her. She knew she was setting foot in a dangerous neighborhood, knew she couldn't fight, knew she had a girlfriend that actually could and she didn't tell me she had this blockade until it was literally too late on that day. Since that day, I made her promise me to never, ever pull a stunt like that again. And that's why she tends to take me with her whenever she needs to go somewhere dangerous (eg when she's looking for one of her kids). It's better that way.

Wait, she got hurt in a dangerous neighborhood? What happened? She was mugged? Someone tried things on her? That is, if you don't mind saying it.

knife protection goes only so far after all

True words. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight they say. But Germany has extremely strict gun laws, so hand-to-hand weapons are way bigger than guns here, so a knife is one of the most effective thing you can have.

Well, in a lot of places guns are easy to get, legally or not, here on Brazil you can easily get one, even through the law it's not that hard, but it's always good to have a knife, I think the reason people fear blades is not just instinct, but simple logic, anyone can use a gun, without it most people are defenseless, and the shooter might have more problems than the agressor, but knifes? Logic says that if the person has a knife, especially a combat knife, they not only know how to use it, but know how to defend themselves without it.

I was walking home alone from a birthday party that one night and all of a sudden, this guy who was either completely drunk or completely stoned comes up in front of me and tells me he wants to fuck me in an alley. I backed off and told him to piss off, he didn't listen and came closer. Then I did as my dad told me and clearly warned him that I'm armed and trained and that I want him to get the fuck outta my face. He still didn't listen. The moment he grabbed wrist, I pulled my knife and stabbed him through his palm. That's when he screamed and made a run for it. :T

Wow, didn't walk at night again? Or never let Lin do it? Man, nowadays all women need to know self-defense, cause really, nowhere is safe at all. :/

Any place where you can get mugged and killed any day if you're not careful sounds like bad news to me, even if there's probably worse places. :T I hope you're not living in one of such dangerous areas?

True, and yeah, I live in a more safe area, though I don't go anywhere, I work near where I live, basically go to work or stay home, don't really have social life, and I don't get well with vehicles, not that I have any reason to go anywhere anyway, so I don't really have to worry.

I've been chatting with the bunch for about half a year, but I don't really mind posting a pic of me if people wanna know how I look. XD All you gotta do is ask, really. I'm neither shy nor self-conscious. I usually leave it at one pic just so people can get a general idea though. Everything else just seems...unnecessary, imo. :T One of the main reasons why you won't find me on sites like Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr and etc. I'm more of a text person. XD Lin, however...whole different story there. She's been through stalking already, so she never puts up any pics of herself anywhere. She also doesn't give away her last name, unless she knows for absolute certain that the person she's talking to wants to contact her for something business-related. The thing is that when you google her full name, you'd immediately find her business website, which naturally gives away some sensitive info (eg. where you can find her office, business phone number etc), so she doesn't give away info, that could lead to people finding her business website in places where it'd be unreasonable to trust people. In other words: Chances are you won't ever get to see a pic of her. Ever. XD

Heeeeeeh, over half a year? Now I'm jealous (>_<), though I am kind of shy and self-conscious, I'm also a text person, I have facebook, twitter, tumblr, deviantart, pixiv and account in countless other sites, but facebook is the only place with a picture of me, but I hide it, not even friends can see it, so only way to see is if I let it xp, I don't really mind showing it to some people with who I talk for some time, nothing to worry since I'm a guy, guess I'm not really ugly, but not handsome enough to have panties of girls dropping for me, and people don't really have reason to stalk me unless they're my enemy, if they like me it's because they don't know me enough, it's what I say~~, so even if someone stalked me they would stop after talking with me enough xD, as for Lin, I can imagine how she must be paranoic about her name or pictures, especially if she's particularly pretty, there's too many creepy guys with free time on the internet, you just can't be careful enough when it comes to this, especially when you're a more public person, normally because of your job, it's too easy to find information about people nowadays, easier to create a fake persona so as to not have some crazy guy at your door one day.

And yes, please post your pic if you don't mind, now you got me curious since you're too eager to post it xD, well lets see what the rest have to say, no idea if it's cool to ask for someone picture if the rest of the people here don't want to see your face too...

last edited at May 4, 2016 3:40PM

Su
For some reason I'm not surprised that Lin is the one who gets you in trouble xD

As for the knife, there's even research on that, people are naturally scared of knifes, or any kind of blade actually, it's more effective than guns when you want to scare people or at least warn them that you know how to defent yourself, though it's good to have a gun too, knife protection goes only so far after all, and you actually hurt someone with it? What was the guy doing against you?

Yeah, Brazil is pretty fucked up, but not the worst when it comes to drug cartels, also depends a lot on the place you live obviously, but even so there's not much security anywhere, so if you're unlucky you can easily be mugged and killed any day, only reason it's not as bad as it seens is because it's more in some areas than in others, so you can be kind of safe with some precautions, but in the end don't really matter if you're unlucky to be mugged by one of the worse criminals, only reason things are so bad is because law don't really work much, but overral Brazil is still better than a lot of places, so it's probably not really that bad as it sounds.

Haha, that dude must be retarded or something, like, I know sometimes I'm creepy or make jokes of poor taste, but what he said is just plain stupid in any context, but yeah, some are pretty fucked up, guess nowadays common sense really is a super power, cause if he had some he wouldn't have said that, and well, at least most times it's obvious when the guy is fucked up, the people who look normal are the really dangerous ones.

Also, heeeh, guess you must be really close to the people of that other forum, since we didn't have the honor of seeing a pic of you and Lin. (T^T)

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Su
Always ready for a fight eh? xD

To make things even more awkward, you grab your knife because you think she's going to do something, and then she grabs her gun. xD

Either way, I think you should keep an eye more in any dumb child trying to play with Jacky as you can have problems with someone else depending on what happens.

But seriously, nowadays there's assholes everywhere, I live in Brazil, you can be robbed and killed at any day since here you can comit a crime and come out of the police station through the front door as if you did nothing, so it's pretty common for people to die or get hurt because of an asshole mugging them, really, or laws don't work as good as other countries, it's pretty much the land of crime, especially if you're underaged, as you can kill, torture, rape and so on, and hardly will have any consequences.

last edited at May 4, 2016 1:18PM

Su
If you say so, let's just hope she didn't had the same idea of changing the park, and you both end up meeting again, that would be awkward. xD

dofudofu

No problem. Please quote as much as you can so that I remember what we were talking about lol. I'll be back in a bit.

Don't worry, I will xp

I think you're the only guy, and I pretty much already think of you as one of the girls :P

At least I'm the only one more regular here, if there's others they post little too, I admit I don't post much, it's hard to post properly in phone so I wait until I'm on pc, by the time there's a lot of posts to read and I lost a bunch of talk... And nice of you to already think that o/

As for the dog, guess you should get a medium dog then, depending on the specie they have as much energy as the big ones, but will be easier to take care off, especially if you get them as puppies, it's all fun until they grow up and you can't deal with them anymore cause they're too big, you just need to find the right specie for you

No cats! I'm allergic to them. I ignore them if I have to be around them; they pester me anyway. No exceptions -_-

Ever tried meds for that? Also, if you don't like cat pestering you, you think you're going to be able to take care of a dog? They're always really eager to give you love and play with you, some people get tired of it.

Su

Well, I know what you mean, but heart in right place is not enough, a lot of parents who don't raise their children properly supposedly have their right in the right place, that shouldn't be an excuse, but well, guess I have to agree with you that it is indeed better than some parents, I just don't think you should change your life because of her as if you did something wrong. : /

Well...how about a sphinx cat then? X'D (Not serious. Honestly, I think those things are creepy AF o.o;)

I don't really find them creepy or ugly, or anything like that, but I admit it must be a little strange to pat them direct in the skin instead of fur.

I actually kind of prefer it that way...

Which brings me to the question: what would you like to be addressed as? He or She?

He is alright, though I am more to girl than guy in spirit, I look like a guy, not a pretty one by the way, and I was raised as such, so being called she don't feels right, though I don't really see myself much as a guy either, it's more because I'm used to be treated as a guy, as guess for me either way is fine though I would definitely prefer to have been born female, anyway, in a lot of places when they find you're a guy or girl, people completely change their attitude and the way they treat you, so it's in part because of that, I always felt more confortable around girls too, though I can't say the same for most girls, so I was never able to be "one of the girls" besides the internet. (T^T)

Su
About what you said on dogs, what happens is that they don't respect your authority, they don't see you as the leader of the pack, that lone wolf thing was actually from research done wrong with wolfs in captivity, they would fight each other to have a hierarchy, and then each would stay more or less alone in their side of the cage, but in reality wolfs, and pretty much all dogs, are really social and act basically like a family, with the male and female alphas as the parents and the rest as their children, lone wolf is only those who got old enough to search for a partner to start their own pack, there is rare cases of wolfs who are alone for a reason or anoother, but that's rare because they don't function well alone since they're highly social, so for a dog to obey you need to make clear that you're the leader of the pack, there's various ways to train your dog so they'll obey and see you as the leader, but it can be hard without help if they're already acting is if they're the leader.

Also, a fun fact, apparently if you want a guard dog, females are the best for the job, because even if they see you as the leader they apparently will be a lot more defensive than male, supposedly because male is normally the one who goes for the attack to defend while the female stays more close to the pack to protect the younger ones, depending on how old the female dog are they will be so defensive because they kind of see you as their child even if they also see you as the leader of the pack, that is true in particular if they grow up with children, though wolfs and dog are a special case, they're some of the few animals who both parents are really protective of their young ones, most animals it's only the mother or father who protect them, though generally it's the mother who protects, a lot of times the father is another threat, bears and lions are a good example as sometimes they can kill and eat their own fo various reasons, being hungry or to make the female go in heat again are two reasons.

As for cats, I think it depends on the dog for them to be better, but it's true that a lot of dogs are really eager to give you love and become depressed if you don't have time for them, cats are more self-sufficient, they do what they want, not what we want, we can leave them alone, as long as there's food and water they'll take care of themselves, I think the reason some people don't like cats is because they're more human-like? They're not like dogs that if they're docile you can easily win them over with some pats and food, cats can be a lot harder to win their affections, some people probably also don't like that cats can be really indifferent to us and what happens around them.

Hey girls, how everyone doing? Sorry not showing up before, not feeling well lately, I might reply some other thing said later, for now, I came to question Su about this situation, cause this might not be over yet...

dofudofu
I think you replied my post some pages ago, I'll probably reply it later when I read all the post I missed, sorry for the wait. (>_<)

Su
Are you a regular at that park? Was the bite not serious? Cause really, I think maybe you should see a lawyer about it, not because of what happeed now, but because that mother is probably a regular at that park too, and even if she's not, you might easily meet her again somewhere else and she might do something against you since she did threatened you and Jacky, especially if you are with Jacky, it's true that in a lot of places the dogs end up fucked up by the law, but really, the mother and daughter are clearly in the wrong for all reasons we can think, is Jacky docile? Because if the bite was really just a small wound and nothing serious, I don't think there's any risk against her because it's obvious she did that in self-defense, the main problem is what could happen if you two meet again, or even if you don't meet her, if that shitty little girl sees Jacky, cause you know how child is, she might outight attack Jacky for no reason if she notices she's in the park again.

Really, if it was just the little girl attacking Jacky there was nothing to do, but a grow woman attacked you without even knowing what really happened, even if most places would blame the dog, I don't think there's way for anyone to not see you and Jacky as the victims, so I think you better do something now to be ready in case that woman sees you again, cause you can't just stop going to that park because of a pathetic incompetent mother, and you can't go with someone there either as if you need protection for fearing that you might be attacked by some random retarded, I don't think it would be hard to find her again and people to witness in your favor as someone probably noticed that the girl grabbed her out of nowhere, the dog defended itself, not only the girl attacked her, but her mother attacked you, the fact that you stayed sitting in the grass even makes it more easier to go against that bitch.

Anyway, I know your life is already hard enough because of your heart, but I think that's even more reason why maybe you should do something, since you can't now go in the park to have fun with Jacky and be worried that the woman will show up again, at least I think it's worth to see if you have the law on your side in this, does Lin already know about this? What did she said?

And glad to have you back, you sure was missed, how you feeling? No side effects from the new meds?

As for the rest, 1 month already? It sure felt longer, maybe because before we, well, you girls talked almost non-stop? Cause the thread calmed down a lot after those 100 pages non-stop, I don't think the thread is dying, at least I hope so, cause I'll miss you all. (T^T)

Also, I think someone asked about other people sexuality some pages ago, I guess I'm straight? And that made me remember, I'm the only guy here? I'm not sure if there's any other here, and just you girls know, you can think of me as one of the girls, I actually kind of prefer it that way...

dofudofu

Lol it's a hard topic to completely avoid since our friends and family know we were on a break after she proposed and will ask about things with varying degrees of subtlety.

Yeah I can imagine how they won't leave that quiet...

She just likes an excuse to buy things. My office in the new place is bigger than the bedroom in my apartment and she's made it her personal quest to make it as cozy as possible. (I give no shits about what my office is like. As long as I have a powerful computer and fiber-optic internet, I'm completely fine.) And yes the place is big and fancy. There's a lot of what I like, but I don't need fancy lol. Living with a rich girl... I hope I never get too used to the lifestyle.

I see, I think you will get used to the lifestyle eventually, having a waifu like that must be nice, now with you living with her she probably don't need much excuses to buy anything except that it's for you.

We'll cross that bridge once we get there -_-

Please do say when the bridge is crossed. xD

It was never going to work out with my best friend, but not having met kanojo until after that breakup was probably a good thing or at least the right time in my life. And yes my friend's in a relationship at the moment. She's been in a couple before this one since we broke up. This guy seems more promising than some of the others, but she's a serial boyfriend hopper.

I wonder if it was really not going to work with your best friend, not that it matter since you have kanojo, good thing that you don't have to worry about her still having feelings for you, that could cause problems...

And since we're talking about your friends, did you go to that friend marriage already? Did the rapist woman attack you again? Or kanojo attacked her?

Soooo, panties are dropping KitKat101?

Man Sungji can be so romantic, that "You're the one who moves my heart."~~

mvl89
Okay then, I forgive you~~

Man Sungji can be so romantic, that "You're the one who moves my heart."~~

dofudofu

Lol no nothing like that.

Oh, okay then.

Lol she won't propose until I talk to her about it now. Or at least she said she wouldn't. She doesn't bring up the proposal stuff much anymore. Lately her hobbies have been assembling a really fancy office for me and joking about getting me pregnant, which is both weird and infeasible. I'm never introducing her to yuri science baby mangas. If we're going to do something other than adopt then I'd rather she carry them... adorable redheaded babies <3

"She doesn't bring up the proposal stuff much anymore", which means she's still talking about it enough so you won't forget? But even if she's waiting for your okay, when you finally let her do it, she's probably going to have everything planned already.xD

As for her hobby, shows that she just won't let you get away, I mean, i must admit that now I'm curious about how fancy is the office, I assume the entire house is fancy and with things that you like? And I also assume that the reason you didn't get pregnant was not for lack of tries? Bet she would go crazy over those mangas with science babies, as for who get pregnant, you two could have it but at different times. xD

Yeah we were best friends with mutual feelings that we both didn't act on. Honestly I think the time we spent together was more like getting it out of our systems. By the time we made the leap, I understood we were a bad match, but ya know, love, lust and admiration didn't go away after 5 years of friendship, and it turns out a relationship with her can kill the lust part of that equation pretty quickly lol.

I see, guess it's not that much of a shame that it didn't work out cause now you have kanojo? And is she in a relationship too?

last edited at Apr 27, 2016 11:15AM

Lin
Haha, well, of course it's not a small thing, but if everything was uncertain, it would definitely be infinitely worse, also, where did you got that she's going to basically be killed? She's still going to be alive, but only because of machines since she won't have a heart for some hours, but you can't really call that killing her, well, even with chance of not working out, isn't it for the best? I mean, with a new heart, won't it be less problems and risks? Also, it's not a surprise that you're more nervous, it's pretty common for the patient to be more calm than the people that are with them, but of course she might just be playing the calm one since you're already nervous enough for both. xD

mvl89
Brazil, and please, don't come with that bullshit of "be a man" as if a I need to do or can't do something to be a "real man".

dofudofu
I see, good that she let's you enjoy it in peace, and well, you said that she loathes manga and her sister, so it kind of sounded like she had problems with her and hated her for some reason. xD

Haha, it's good to be prepared, but I guess you might not see it coming when she finally proposes, and you're not getting married soon as far as you know, cause if you let her be, when you see it, she's going to have everything planned, ready and even a date for it.

So she was already your best friend before you two had a relationship? Guess that's make easier to be friends after break up.

Lin
4 weeks of not sleeping well? Good thing that everything is at least planned, probably helps to not make so hard to sleep, well, if you want I'm here to chat almost at any time, on skype, facebook, and so on, just need to add and call me. xD

last edited at Apr 27, 2016 10:44AM

Tiroskan
Really? Strange, I was sure I read somewhere it was a woman, thanks anyway.

mvl89
Nah, nothing to talk about, it's kind of cyclic, I'm fine, then get depressed for some months, though last times they started to get longer, but I'll get better eventually, I always get, if not, well, if I disappear from dynasty for months, you can assume I finally killed myself, yay~~ >8D

Lin
Great, it's good to know it was just something temporary, hope the new medicine don't cause this problem and that she gets better soon. (T^T)

last edited at Apr 27, 2016 10:10AM

mvl89
Not much, kind of depressed and pretty much not using pc, that's why I'm rarely showing.

Lin
Oh, good thing she was able to call and you get her in time, cause really, you two are already dealing with a problem, getting hurt or break something is the last thing you two need, and that scenario sounds pretty romantic, with you running to catch her in your arms xD

But besides that, did it have any other side affect or everything alright?

Good evening Martian and hi mvl89.

KitKat101
I don't drink coffe

Lin
I see, just taking it easy, and I hope the allergy didn't last much or caused any problem besides collapsing, did she get hurt when it happened or was not that bad? Most people don't seen to notice how you can get serious injuries depending on how you fall..

KitKat101
Good morning o7

Rainy365
Good day o7

LIn
That's great, hope she can go hope this friday, I can imagine how the hospital boredom might be a hell, hope that she gets better of that cold soon too, you two did a lot in the weekend? Mind to say what it was, or it was too, how cann I say it, a more private kind of quality time? xD

I assume the previous medicine was not doing much good for her? I know some can be a pain to take because of side effects.

Fortunately I don't think I ever had to edal with that kind of feeling, I'm pretty carefree and rarely have human contact, so it's not like I deal with people enough so that have chance of happening, but I can imagine how it's horrible and annoying when you have to deal with a stubborn and idiot kid, only to find that their parents are the same or worse, it's no wonder some people grow up to be piece of shit...