A fox can also mean a beautiful and attractive woman, which is pretty much how Sungji is portrayed ;)

I like your interpretation though, even if i doesn't fit into how i had read into the narrative etc
Any good folk tails involving foxes in that capacity that you'd recommend? Going to sleep now but will see any replies in the morning.

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No one is objective when being a reader of story, not me, not you, not anyone.

Exactly.

Holy crap, NO FLASHBACKS. Bye a-hole Sumin, see you never!

Lets not start that again, save that for 4chan :P

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matsuri_wins You're unlikely to be Yoonie as you seem to understand objectivity, where as they did not when i made a similar argument against them.

In saying that we could apply that very argument against your interpretation of the narrative structure and what you think is "genius" writing. It's still based of how you interpret the story structure, narrative and "mis-en-scene" and that comes from both your experiences in life and biases for and against characters.

anim8tur While i agree with a lot of what you say and read into the story/narration/structure in a similar way i don't think you are completely objective either because it's not possible by the way of human nature itself. When i said the closest commenter to being objective i didn't mean to infer that i thought you were completely objective sorry.

Let's all try to keep our egos in check, otherwise this may just become another Nora/Foxy saga.

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So much Deja'vu in this thread. Life really is cyclical in nature.

Ha. Really? Like I said, new to the thread.

Nothing new is really being argued and it's mostly the same points, only difference is that the SungjixSumin side comes across as more factual rather than emotive this time round.

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So much Deja'vu in this thread. Life really is cyclical in nature.

No comment made like "this is past now" closes box

If they ended it like that there would have been no following pages ;)

Precisely. 108 chapters later and with a relationship now ongoing, we still don't know where the train is headed.

Sums up reality though, we don't really know where the reality train is headed so all we can do is make the journey as comfortable as possible.

Ah ok i thought it was something bigger like a photo on the mantelpiece in plain site. I'll leave you to your interpretation of that but it makes sense to me from a plot structure point.

No comment made like "this is past now" closes box

If they ended the chapter like that there would have been no following pages ;)

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Your first two points have been answered before in this thread, so i will let the new commenters argue those. But what picture are you talking about?

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For me

I didn't have much expectations when i first went to read WDTFS as i was apprehensive about reading something with a love triangle more than anything. So this is entirely based on my judgement after reading.

Sumin - Little Miss Snarker, Dark and Troubled Past, Ms. Fanservice
Seju - Lonely Rich Kid, Dark and Troubled Past, Parental Abandonment, Ms. Fanservice, Big Bad
Sungji - Nice guy, Ms. Fanservice
That brother guy - Big Bad

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SoYouWantTo/WriteAKoreanDrama

To break up the seriousness of this thread, how many of these tropes can you find in WDTFS? I had a good laugh when i read this.

Edit: I don't watch Kdramas.

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Or maybe they would br better off just wrapping up WDTFS as is and starting out a new story that only has the elements they are best at depicting, without the hanging promise of a vanilla happy ending for

I've been thinking this the last few years now. Take the experience they've had creating WDTFS and improve by writing something new.

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TG has to fully develop Dawoon in order to make her worthy of having a love story with Seju, as well as properly depict Seju’s path to healing, or else it will never feel like they’re giving Seju a fulfilling ending. TG gave her the most tragic life so she should have the happiest ending.

Even though it's not something i'm going to read, i agree. I think Seju and her fans need some closure and i think it can be done without going around in circles and involving Sumin (Not that the two of them getting back together is entirely unthinkable).

Deleted an earlier comment as i should really be doing other things since i don't have much interest in this story anymore.
But keep up the good work of being the closest thing to an objective commenter on here anim8tur.

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Remember Sumin is much older now so comparing the love she had as a teen with the one she had as an adult isn't fair when making judgements. I saw the love, it was just different and a bit more mature to me. Sumin kind of has resting bitch face, i'm the same way to be honest. Also Sungji was joking around with Sumin when she makes a face at the mention of Sumins ex.

To be honest i found the love in Paradise almost infantile in parts which is why it took me so long to finish reading it. But then maybe i saw it that way because i'm in my late 30's. After all, our experiences shape how we see the world. We can't truly look at things objectively.

Ps. Im at work so may be a little incoherrant.

Also am i the only one who thought the chapter was more played for comedy rather than seriousness.

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As i was saying to anim8tur the story was never meant to be that long which i think is where TG went wrong. They tried to pad it out and make it longer which is why the writing and plot started to suffer.

That was quite the write up haha. Not much i don't disagree with, it was definitely shoved in to extend the plot and add in more drama. (Did you know, the story was never meant to be that long. Pretty sure it was only meant to be 50 or so chapters)

Was the whole "i know your secret" thing a red herring or just misunderstood you reckon?

anim8tur i'm curious what your opinion on the whole assassin plot? I felt like it raised more questions than it answered.

Also in terms of the latest discussion I think Sungji only feels out of place because her background was underdeveloped compared to Seju and Sumin. Buuuuut her actions arent in her past like a lot of Seju and Sumins, they're more in the now in the context of the main story which is where you really need to read into her character and her main role in the story.

But then that's just how i read into the story and whether you interpret it the same way i did or not, it's why i don't discount the end relationship of Sungji and Sumin.

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matsuri_wins You and anim8tur have had some pretty civil discussions on here which is good.

But sometimes people from 4chan seem to worm there way into these threads and i'd just not engage with them if i were you.

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Don't worry, you don't come across that was to me. I think people have their favourites and it generally subconsciously changes how they read into the story. Happens on both sides of the fence really.

I try to be logical and analyze all the information that's given. I like to think I'm impartial. I know it seems like I'm a Sumin supporter but that's not the case. I can just see myself in everyone's shoes and understand why they do the things they do.

Wasn't trying to infer that you were a Sumin supporter, if i came across that way then i'm sorry. Was more trying to explain why people miss on certain details.

Nothing i disagree with really. I was mainly looking forward to reading your counterpoints as you articulate them very well and don't get too emotive while getting accross similar points to what i generally have in my mind.

Thank you. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade or sh+t on anyone's ships. I'm just baffled by the way important details are overlooked/forgotten/ignored and I want to know whether or not I read the manga wrong or something.

Don't worry, you don't come across that was to me. I think people have their favourites and it generally subconsciously changes how they read into the story. Happens on both sides of the fence really and i'll admit i can be guilty of it too.

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Looking forward to anim8tur's counterpoints. Just read the side story finally as i have been putting it off till it was finished. Was a bit underwhelming and the translation i read was kinda bad.

Already posted it. Let me know what you think.

Nothing i disagree with really. I was mainly looking forward to reading your counterpoints as you articulate them very well and don't get too emotive while getting accross similar points to what i generally have in my mind.

^why do you call people you disagree with "yoonie?" Is that a new slur I am unfamiliar with?

It was the user name of an active poster on here a few years back.

Looking forward to anim8tur's counterpoints. Just read the side story finally as i have been putting it off till it was finished. Was a bit underwhelming and the translation i read was kinda bad.

Hey Blastaar i just want to say you pretty much hit the nail on the head about the writing, you vocalized a lot about the writing and story structure that i had similar thoughts about but could never find the mental stamina to write.

TG really need some constructive criticism about how they put the story together (amongst other things) before they start on a new IP.

I was hooked on the story for the first 50 chapters or so but then it started to drag out and some of the drama felt unnecessary.

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Sumin losing her parents was not what eventually broke her though, we clearly see some scenes post-cheating of Sumin trying to move on normally before that guy tortures her and places a curse on her, that's when Sumin has a big mental shift and pretty much becomes mentally unstable for 10 years or so.

While i agree her behaviour was not normal it wasn't born out of something Seju did and not something that she developed on her own either.

Also i only recall Sumin calling Seju once during sex.

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