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What did Seju do that seemed unreasonable though? She was sick and didn't want Sungji to help her. Sounds normal to me.

From Sungji's POV, the president seemed cold towards her. It's not normal. Not every sick person turns cold towards others.

You think Sungji has no idea? I think this was almost a confirmaiton that she actually knows a lot more things. Because why didn't she tell Sumin that Seju called for her when she was sick? And why she said "an emergency outside" and didn't say the President is sick? Emergency outside sounds like a random person from the street or something, not someone who works in their company, especially the President.

As readers, we could see that Sungji might already get some idea about Seju x Sumin's relationship. But I really can't think of any reason on why she didn't tell Sumin about helping out the sick president.

So, if you were Seju, you would react differently? She said she will wait, and waiting she is. She doesn't have a power to control whatever Sumin wants to do anymore. She can't leave, she can't stop her? So what will she do? Of course, accept it and just go along. "Fake" is not the right word to use, imo, she masks her feeling, learn to ok with it. Now she's no longer ok with it, simply because things has getting worse for her, the only person cares for her is dying, still stay cool all through is not sth she can control anymore, and she ONLY react differently after Sumin's unreasonable outburst, before that, she let them be, still do, by the way. Why say someone is fake because she's hiding her feelings? give an example, you fall in love with your bestfriend, but that person doesn't love you, so to be able to keep a normal friendship, you keep your unrequited love to yourself, mask your own feeling, happy and go along with whoever the person is dating, is that fake to you? Or is it the only thing you could do?

Seju, with a smile on her face, told Sungji to be by Sumin's side. It's obviously that "hiding her feelings" is not the right line.

Honestly? If I were Sungji, I wouldn't find it unreasonable at all. Someone is sick, and that someone isn't close to you, either. Even when you are an adult or whatever, you tend to be a little bit more emotional than normal, that's totally understandable. And Sungji find it unreasonable so what? That's her POV, as for Seju, she is ALONE for her whole life without anyone to care for her. If it were not Sungji but Nami or anyone else, she would probably react the damn same. Expose weakness to people has never been Seju's case. You're reader, you know both case, Sungji and Seju's character and history, then why judge Seju's action by normal living world like how you react, so smart and wisely, not based on what the character's going through? And even in real world, do you easily accept strangers' help, let her go to your house, doing whatever she likes?

The fact that Sungji would take the taxi with her, enter her house, look at her password, come back again and do whatever she wanted was not something Seju could foresee the moment Sungji entering the elevator.

What kind of sudden change of behaviors are you talking about? I don't find it in Seju or Sungji or anyone else. Seju has always been like that. Now things get worse for her in too many ways, of course, she will not be the cool, flirty Seju to Sungji or indifferent to everything like before.

10 years ago, Seju said "I don't know why he is so curious about my life when he turns away at the very most important moments.", "If I was dead, I would've opened a party.", "Father who never visits although he says that he's curious whether I'm alive or not."

Also, she always knows that Sumin would come back to her only when she breaks up with others. Now Sumin hasn't broken up with Sungji yet. Didn't this kind of thing happen a lot during the past 10 years as well?

What were "Now things get worse for her in too many ways" you were talking about?

I think you're wrong with the assumption that Seju never really cared about Sumin's dating life. remember the red-haired girl? Seju might have been the one who told her fiance about her secret affair with Sumin. besides, it's not like they're still together. Seju knows her place. she knows that she doesn't have any right to be jealous and confront Sumin about it.

I didn't say Seju never cared about Sumin's dating life, I said she, for this whole 10 years, had pretended that she didn't mind it.

Seju never fake her attitude towards Sungji especially on the last chapter. that's the real Seju. of course she acts friendly towards her employee out of professionalism. but you see, she was sick and out of all the people who gave her a helping hand. it's the girl who is slowly taking away the only person she think ever loved her. imo that's a realistic reaction/scenario towards a situation like that.

The Seju who can be angry, who doesn't smile a lot, who can't be friendly with Sumin's women, who doesn't want anyone to date Sumin is her real self. In this chapter, she showed the real her to Sungji who she thought that she (Sungji) knew nothing. What's the point?

and on the chapter when Seju encourages Sungji to be with Sumin. I think by now. we already know why Seju is doing it. the only time Sumin ever spend time with her is when she's having trouble with her current relationship. that's how they bond aside from sex. they confide and comfort each other. (though Sumin is starting to be a jerk) Seju also have this mentality that Sumin always goes into a relationship that would never work. I guess she was getting too confident with Sungji. that the same thing will happen again if ever Sumin and Sungji hookup. and lastly, Seju wanted Sumin to be rejected again and again so, that in the end. she might realized that she's the only one who will ever truly love her.

I do understand her real intention. However, we can't deny the fact that this method of hers is morally wrong.

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nguyen
Me giving negative comments about Seju in this chapter doesn't mean that I'm one of those who think of her as a b*tch.

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I honestly can't get where is Seju's fakeness for 10 years from,

If accepting Sungji's hand were too fake as you said, why agreeing with Sumin dating others, smiling while Sumin's talking about Sungji, telling Sungji to be by Sumin's side, etc. were not?

and honestly talking about fake, Sungji's actions make me feel a little sick at the moment, the author is building a freaking too perfect character that makes me feel fake, tbh. She's not real, I'm sorry because there are many people that love her but the more Team Gaji push her kindness, the more it started to annoy me.

I don't think of being too perfect or being too imperfect as being fake. And I don't mind seeing any character being too perfect or too imperfect either. What I dislike is sudden changes of character behaviors!

why Seju is immature in this situation?

If you were Sungji, I doubt you would find Seju's action in this chapter reasonable. Readers are able to empathize her because we read her thoughts and backstory. However, I personally don't see the point of her action towards Sungji, her employee, in this chapter. Couldn't she at least read the situation? Sungji knew nothing at all, and she was not helping her out as her love rival.

Since when did Seju consider Sungji as a person taking away her love, or whom she least wanted to be involved with? When did Sungji thing ever pop up in her mind? I believe Seju has already gotten used to the fact that Sumin would find anyone to date, and it just happened to be her employee this time. Also, her fighting with Sumin in the previous chapter has nothing to do with Sungji.

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Oh, btw, I read sth saying Seju was acting like the unreasonable Sumin in this chap, I don't agree, I find Seju's reaction is normal. You can't just accept the kindness from the one who is taking away your lover in happy and open arms. That would be too fake, toooooo fake.

She has been too fake for 10 years already. I would love to see her real side too. But why all of a sudden? Reading the divine Sungji interacting with the immature Seju is creeping me out!

Oh, so you're one of those who think Seju is a b*tch and Sungji is all around good girl and super duper perfect then? So, I would like to stop arguing :)), there is no use of keep talking :)))).

You came to the conclusion too soon. You didn't bother finding out if your assumption about other was wrong not. Whatever floats your boat.

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Oh, btw, I read sth saying Seju was acting like the unreasonable Sumin in this chap, I don't agree, I find Seju's reaction is normal. You can't just accept the kindness from the one who is taking away your lover in happy and open arms. That would be too fake, toooooo fake.

She has been too fake for 10 years already. I would love to see her real side too. But why all of a sudden? Reading the divine Sungji interacting with the immature Seju is creeping me out!

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Yes it's weird. She should've started taking about Seju as soon as she met with Sumin since she knows Seju is Sumin's friend.

I wish Sumin will run away and never come back to Seju this time. :D

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Thank newp.

The angelic Sungji of all people was taking care of the sick Seju who was acting so much like the unreasonable Sumin.

Saying to butches that they are feminine is more like insulting them on many levels.

Since when was this a thing? I missed a very odd conversation in here at some point lol. Butch lesbians are still women. They're not going to be offended if you tell them they look like a woman or feminine. Most of them (I guess not all) probably would be less thrilled about being called "sir" or any number of male pronouns. If they want to be a man or at least don't identify as female then they're not women, they're trans.

I live in a country where transvestites (male to female crossdressers) are everywhere. It's a basic common sense that using male honorifics to address them is being rude/ignorant. That applies to other things as well, e.g. if you would like to compliment their looks, you would use "pretty/beautiful" not "handsome". Telling them that they look like a man is more like asking for a slap right in your face. Is that not the case for butches?

That really is not from my own perspective. It really is one of our common senses.

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Saying to butches that they are feminine is more like insulting them on many levels.

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I just looked at the manga. WTH!!! Is it even yuri? Cheat much! XD

It's yuri iff you don't overlook her chest. XD

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hahaha you think so lol, i think shes quite feminine x3

How?! What standard is that? XD

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By the way, if you dont know this. There is a russian artist called kototochan who recently finished her first yuri manga named CLUB. I can hightly recommend that^^

Beware of this manga: No matter how you look at its MC, she is a man with boobs! :D

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Tbh, this delay didn't affect me at all. Going through SSamba's case made me stronger.

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It is quite possible during lectures, but it may not be possible at home. :D

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Sumin's actions are somethings people say "Don't try this at home!" because, unlike her case, you would get dumped right away if you act like her. :D

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Yeah, discussing about Seju ending is depressing, but what else do you think we should discuss about? I'm sure I'm gonna turn completely violent if we start discussing about Sumin. :D

Then go with someone who is too good to be true, Sungji. :D

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Yeah, some may have thought that the writing is not so good. However, I believe no one is going to say it's "bad" even if it's really bad. I think when the ending comes, even though they killed off Seju, or even though they give any kind of bad ending, everyone's expectation may have already been very low. And with that low expectation, everyone would no longer be able to realize that the writing is "bad" anymore.

However, I think the majority of readers is agreeing with what the story's presented thus far since they never called out any inconsistency in the story.

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It seems wdtfs has already won a name of "good writing" since long time ago. Every time there were somethings wrong such as inconsistent character developments/personalities, unreasonable character actions and so on, everyone would overlooked them or lowered their own expectations to keep the writing quality at it's good level. I think everyone is willing to accept any ending, and no one would ever say that the writing is "bad writing".

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Tbh, I can't imagine how boring wdtfs would becomes or how sad I would be when reading wdtfs without Seju in there anymore. Even though in some chapters, they just showed her meeting her potential marriage partner, her smirking, her talking on the phone with her father, her illusion Sumin created, her doing nothing at all, her whatever, I still found those chapters satisfying. :D I really wish the author won't kill her off. If she is not gonna deserve anything better after her 10 years suffering, let's not give her anything worse author-nim. I don't believe in Heaven.

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I would love to hear a scenario where Seju dies, and Sumin x Sungji live happily ever after. If you were Seju, Sumin or Sungji, would you want the ending that Seju dies? What kind of happiness that only exists because of someone dying?

Beats me.

Trust me, it's gonna go the way my fanfiction described. (~˘▾˘)~

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wdtfs ending fanfiction: Seju died leaving a dying message, "It's all because of Sumin." Sumin herself couldn't stand the pain of losing Seju as well as the blame everyone put on her, she ended her little life. On the very last panel, Sungji's family put her ashes next to Sumin's. With this sadistic and unique ending, wdtfs lasts forever in every reader memory. Amen

oliver
WDTFS fans - off topic 04 May 19:32
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dofudofu
Sorry, I will leave now.

oliver
WDTFS fans - off topic 04 May 19:29
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I think CCL was just trying to point out that the word 'creepy' is decidedly a negative one. "Causing an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease". Hardly something you can be positive about, or consider a compliment, even a weird one.

UranusAndNeptuneAreJ
But only ChocolateCakeLover's first comment that seemed to be what you said.

Because after they other people waded in with bizarre attacks oO

I could see that you gave off those unpleasant comments after you felt annoyed. But I would say you shouldn't have felt annoyed that fast. How could you be mad after just one comment? :D

oliver
WDTFS fans - off topic 04 May 19:14
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I think CCL was just trying to point out that the word 'creepy' is decidedly a negative one. "Causing an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease". Hardly something you can be positive about, or consider a compliment, even a weird one.

UranusAndNeptuneAreJ
But only ChocolateCakeLover's first comment that seemed to be what you said.

It's also abundantly clear that more people than just Nez lurk on this thread.

dofudofu
It's because this thread always appeared on the most top of the dynasty's forum page. People must've been curious what was happening here. I didn't mean to lurk it at all, you did hurt my pride. :'(

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Because Seju's life is fubar, her thoughts can't be as totally clean as Sungji's, right?

That's the reason why I will never dislike her.

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Also, it seems Seju could keep Sumin by her side for this whole 10 years because she's good at hiding her dark side/thought. If she had shown Sumin something like "I want you to suffer more so that you will come to me.", Sumin would probably get over her since years ago. I don't hate Seju at all, really!