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joined Jun 6, 2016

Izz

Actually, she later said she loved her. Past tense is a past tense. It's not the same love as it used to be anymore.

official translation, when Sungji asked her ch77, she said in present tense: I like her.
if you are referring to ch64, the conversation used the past tense in all of it, which is consistent with the context. you have Seju explaining why she was afraid of saying that she loves Sumin earlier.. and Sumin answered in the past tense referring to the same time period they were talking about.
so the tense is motivated by context consistency
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go back to ch50, Sumin admits: she is still in love with Seju
"in love" official translation.

Oh god... Can't believe the words of this player... BUT She has adorable face like a kiddo angel so she is forgiven.. lmao
Nah this one ... I am half serious.. half sarcasm

Can't resist sumin's puppy eyes

last edited at May 18, 2017 3:45PM

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in a way ... picking up Seju's matter more to sumin than having an intimate moment with her girlfriend, sungji.

This one is actually a complicated thing. Seju is stubborn, if Sumin didn't pick her up, she'd just go to the garage and came back herself which could end up badly for her. Sumin knows it. Seju may not be at war with Sumin, but she for sure is with Sungji so she's using Sumin's good heart and years of knowing each other.

Sounds like a baseless excuses for me...

If I put myself as sungji and hear that excuses from sumin..... I will skip sumin and find another girl who make me her number 1 priority

Action speak louder

In the end of the day... Whatever the excuses... Sumin choose to pick up seju than continuing intimate moment with sungji

Sungji saw Seju topping Sumin and yet, she's still with her. As I said, Seju is at war with Sungji and Sungji knows it. Seju told her so.

And what is the connection with my statement again?

That she's not going to simply kick Sumin in the butt and let go of her because she knows Sumin can't ignore Seju and Seju is using her. She's a blonde, but not a stupid blonde. And Sumin can be pretty clueless.

How pitiful sumin is... She doesn't even know what she is doing! How shock!!!

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Vanbun
Exactly! Sungji's reaction is all what matters next.
the other two are and been always ready to bounce back to each other.

I think you forgot Sumin crying over Sungji and how she told Seju they can't go back to each other. I can't see them being ready to go back to each other.
1 - Sumin didn't forgive Seju.
2 - Seju didn't heal from her addiction.
Can you see it happening in 4 chapters? Because I can't.

how she TOLD* Seju they can't go back to each other.

said someone who said she will love seju forever...

Actually, she later said she loved her. Past time is a past time. It's not the same love as it used to be anymore.

she later SAID she loved her.

NICE!

last edited at May 18, 2017 3:34PM

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Vanbun
Exactly! Sungji's reaction is all what matters next.
the other two are and been always ready to bounce back to each other.

I think you forgot Sumin crying over Sungji and how she told Seju they can't go back to each other. I can't see them being ready to go back to each other.
1 - Sumin didn't forgive Seju.
2 - Seju didn't heal from her addiction.
Can you see it happening in 4 chapters? Because I can't.

how she TOLD* Seju they can't go back to each other.

said someone who said she will love seju forever...

You force your thought to believe something that you clearly want to happened

I may said to you the next chapter sungji might turn the table back and make sumin get 100% sure giving her affection back to her... Lol

last edited at May 18, 2017 3:29PM

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in a way ... picking up Seju's matter more to sumin than having an intimate moment with her girlfriend, sungji.

This one is actually a complicated thing. Seju is stubborn, if Sumin didn't pick her up, she'd just go to the garage and came back herself which could end up badly for her. Sumin knows it. Seju may not be at war with Sumin, but she for sure is with Sungji so she's using Sumin's good heart and years of knowing each other.

Sounds like a baseless excuses for me...

If I put myself as sungji and hear that excuses from sumin..... I will skip sumin and find another girl who make me her number 1 priority

Action speak louder

In the end of the day... Whatever the excuses... Sumin choose to pick up seju than continuing intimate moment with sungji

Sungji saw Seju topping Sumin and yet, she's still with her. As I said, Seju is at war with Sungji and Sungji knows it. Seju told her so.

And what is the connection with my statement again?

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Vanbun your comment is exactly how I see it .

Great... And one more highlights since everyone always put all the blame to seju..

Even seju might purposely call sumin after she knew that sungji take a leave.. (they work in the same office)

BUT

Yes.... Once again... Let me remind you...

SUMIN is not innocent nor a kid.

Please stop a moment

As an adult... Anything she choose to do.... Isn't a result from manipulation or whatever

She is the one who decide and take responsibility for what she did or will do

For godsake I like sumin but hellyeah she has flaw and not that innocent

Please don't degrade sumin as someone who can't decide the things important for her.. HERSELF..

last edited at May 18, 2017 3:09PM

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Vanbun

you know, Seju's greatest mistake wasn't that she slept with the bartender, but the fact she never trusted Sumin's love for her enough, which lead to the bartender incident in the first place.

The question is... Did sumin love to seju is really that great?

I don't think so... At least not as great as seju's love to sumin

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leeyoon0510
"antagonist vs. protagonist" categorisation is the root of all problems.

I quote Team Gaji in here: "the fox is whoever the reader wish to be. it can be either Sumin, Seongji, Seju, or all three. the story will be different depending on whom you empathise with"
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I personally find beauty in Seju's imperfections, in a sense that she was a miserable kid with no one to love or receive love from, yet she was able to give all this love and care to Sumin, the flashback in ch2, where she brought a scarf to Sumin and made sure she was eating her meals.. later when they became older, Seju will still bring food to Sumin's home in the morning after her parents' death anniversary because she knows that Sumin won't eat anything that day. ch13
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if a person comes from a loving household and grew to be considerate = good thing
if a person comes from a sick household and grew to be considerate = even more admirable
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they created her to have the money, the body and the personality.. alluring and sexy in every way to emphasise that she is in fact able to date and meet other people but she is loyal for her own personal reasons not because she has to.

One a cheater always a cheater...

Sadly people always forget all good things that a person has made compare to one mistake they mistakenly made.....

But you sum up seju perfectly

And yea... The only logical reason for me why the author create this much character development for one " antagonist" is because seju isn't an antagonist... She is the main heroine just like sumin and sungji....

last edited at May 15, 2017 7:19AM

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Gyeomji) Seju is such an beauty, extremely rich, smart, has a killer body, she's got it all, she's too prefect. So I thought, her making mistake once, giving her one flaw was not a bad idea, hohoho. 세주 미인에다 엄청난 부자에 머리도 좋고 몸매도 좋잖아요. 다 갖췄잖아요, 너무 완벽하잖아요. 한번쯤 실수해야 인간미 있죠. 호호

TG is pretty cruel to Seju though. Since she thinks Seju is too perfect in a way, she has to give Seju a flaw, making her commit a mistake, however, it was not just a simple mistake. A mistake that took away everything from her, literally, a mistake that she has to live with its painful price for 10 years without forgiveness. One mistake and she has to live in regret for the rest of her life. If this is not cruelty, I dont know what is.

And talking about double standards, if I can ask TG in Korean, I'll have to ask her, so why you think Seju is too perfect, you have to give her a flaw but you absolutely build a Sungji who is even more perfect than Seju, who literally also has it all, love, family, nice and cute personalities, the only thing Seju has but Sungji doesnt is money, but Seju doesnt even care about it. So where is Sungji's flaw, Team Gaji?

Brilliant question...

Compare seju and sungji... what sungji doesn't have is money... but seju doesn't have friends, lover who love her back, family who loves her........ leading to her possessiveness and she needs to do one mistake that stole one important thing that she has (it means her world)

Maybe TG is a seju hater. Someone ask TG about this on twitter please..

last edited at May 14, 2017 3:24AM

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Anyone read unnie taste?
The translation is low quality but the art is good... It's quite cute too.. I wonder if wdtfs will end like this.. when everything get settled on extra chapters or spinoff.. several years later.

Somehow it feels likely to happen.

last edited at May 12, 2017 6:43AM

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Sungji is kinda pushy nowadays... But it's reasonable when your gf live with her old flame lmao

Will we get the basic harem ending? When the main character said that she like the first girl but... The sad face of the second girl give him more impact than anything else... Aka he love the second girl more kind of thing

Eg. Nisekoi.. ichigo100

last edited at May 8, 2017 10:08PM

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I don't think Seju should die at all. She should have a chance at happiness as much as the next person but it shouldn't be reliant on someone else.

My partner and i go to the same therapist, we are told that neither of us is ultimately responsible for the others happiness. We can still make each other happy though. If that makes sense?

Yep

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from the bright side, it is maybe the first time I see Seju and Sumin enjoying a daily activity together that doesn't involve sex, work or hurting each other

No matter who sumin will choose at the end... she clearly will be the one who do the cook... lol

That's a charming point of sumin

last edited at May 8, 2017 8:59PM

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Ah about sungjin one month unpaid holiday,.. why take it now? She want to use it clearly to dating sumin... but does she forget that seju can't be left alone? Does she want to torture seju with jealousy? Lmao

And what sumin want to say to sungji.... but got cut off

Next chapter would be interesting

Seju's working, she wont be at home, that's why she asked for one month leave, assuming that after one month Seju would leave and things would back to normal

Ah... You make a point... so it will be day for sungji... night for seju kind of thing?

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Ah about sungji one month unpaid holiday,.. why take it now? She want to use it clearly to dating sumin... but does she forget that seju can't be left alone? Does she want to torture seju with jealousy? Lmao

And what sumin want to say to sungji.... but got cut off

Next chapter would be interesting

last edited at May 8, 2017 8:31PM

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Well what do you think about sumin asked if she should knit one for seju too after finishing sungji's?

And how sungji is kinda rushed and going too strong.... she even purposely call sumin darling and request to go to sumin house (to have sex maybe... when clearly she know seju is there... after she gave permission for seju to stay there?) the thing is sungji isn't that naive or innocent... she is actually very cunning with tact (at least for me)

For e.g when seju was sick.. she doesn't tell sumin about it.. she took care seju herself so sumin won't worry about her.

last edited at May 8, 2017 8:19PM

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^you need to read my other comments.

Which one though?

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The thing is, they weren't really poor. She bought a company that was already known and needed a little push and some money to get better. That's what Seju did. But... I've got the whole thing as - she bought the company because Sumin worked there and she could thanks to having daddy's money. I don't think she would ever get interested in it if Sumin wasn't there tbh.

Which part showed Seju has bought it because Sumin is working there? if she bought every company Sumin worked for, she probably owns hella a lot of companies =))))). And which part saying it didnt do badly before she bought it? All I know is it's doing very well after she bought it =)))))). Which part saying it's from her father's money to buy that company, instead of the money she herself working on from the previous projects to have it?

Like I already said, it's implied from the previous latest family gatherings, just like how other rich families, the father will give them some money to start your own business, when you lost those money, you have no right to ask for more or ask for inheritance, you heard Seju said that day. So it's implied that Seju didnt waste millions of dollars like her brothers or ask for money from her father but didnt pay back like her brothers. Well, with the flashback with Sumin from the beginning of arc 3, it's safe to say that Seju is pretty smart and with that, she might be pretty successful in her investments and projects. Not all of her money is from her father and not from her hard working, your critism towards her is clouding your judgment towards her, I must say

Ikr... it's kinda pointless tbh

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The message is clear in this scene - you can't BUY love. What you do is more important. Seju was always for the money. She's seeing a completely different side of Sumin these days. Something she never saw before. I like their friendship going ok now, but I wonder is she's plotting something or not.

You're wrong, go read the chap again. Seju said this "if you worked with the hours you make the scarf, you would be able to buy 100 of them". That's words from a true business woman. Instead of wasting your time on that, go work and make money then buy it with the money you make by working. That means she values work =)))))), work and make money instead of doing these things. Life lesson we got there =)))))). You cant be romantic but starve to death =))))).
Its not about money Seju is meaning, its about using your time more meaningful =)))))))), work to make money to buy it instead =)))))). She's practical that way =))))), but well, no surprise, she's born in a business family and a president of a company

It's still about buying stuff instead of investing your heart in it.

Haizzza, talking to you is like talking to someone who never understands others' pov =)))))))), so frustrating =))))))). It's practical, not romantic or sentimental. I agree =))))). But come on, Seju's words are true, instead of wasting time knitting those, go working and buy it, more practical and not wasting of your time for useless things. Some might not be as romantic as others, some are more practical. What's wrong about working your butt off when thinking of the person you love to have some money and buy sth nice for that person? Isnt it also investing your heart in it? I hope you can at least listen and understand a little bit that it is different and truth in Seju's words and her pov as a business woman

I agree about work, just disagree when it comes to money. What did Seju always done with Sumin? She bought her stuff, even if she never wanted it. And those weren't even her hard worked money. So even though the advice is partially right (come on, Sumin needs a job), I find her also wrong ;)

Please stop to diminish everything seju has done... at least one for god sake....

First seju bought something to sumin and sumin actually like it thought.... if don't, she can't refuse it anytime.. but no... she always accept "seju gift"... seju knows sumin wanted it.. that's why she bought her (the house and the blue cars.. seju bought blue car after looking a pamphlet that sumin brought... same with the house) it means sumin want it just hesitating a bit

And it's a hard work money... just because people is rich... doesn't mean they aren't diligent.. or even lazy.... (since you implying it isn't hardworked money)

Rich peoples surprisingly very diligent and hard working... they actually work smart... delegate works to people who is credible... for people who own company.. sometimes they work 24/7... it means when something bad happened... they're willing to work on it anytime possible... they make plan to grow their company all the time.... not like Poeple who got paid and work only in office hours (or get overtime).

And compare to seju and her other brothers who wasted their father money.. seju in the other hand create her own company.... make her own money

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Keep calm and read... Lol
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

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Just wait for monday girls... Lets the story unfolds itself

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I think it's save to say that many pink team doesn't really care if sumin ends up with sungji... Yet they don't want anything ruin seju's character.. blaming all the shitty situations to her only fault and make her the only punch bag... Lmao.. easy target to hate...

While I rarely see any sungji haters... I find a lot of people bitching over seju... And talking that sungji needs to save sumin from the devil... (hello.... Sumin is an adult, although she is my fav... It doesn't mean she is an angel without fault)

And here I am hoping if I could have one seju for my own... Lmao.

.. I won't mind a hot ceo with unlimited amount of money, buying me a luxurious house and sports car... with luscious body... compatible sex... And a loyal one... That I can use like a doormat and throw my tantrums every time I want.. doesn't mind if I have sex with anyone.... and she will still love me ... Nice! XD

Well... If TG said that it's a healing story.. even for seju.. she have a lot of work to do.. because I can't see how seju will fiñally healed

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But most artist will give guidance for readers to understand their story.. lets wait until the story tell itself ... we're over analyze anything here... lmao

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6EcrwsML7dRnhEodOb1Yu72VCtVl7G3TDb8NI2w0gndp3UfTF-g_RatC6

There is a difference of analysis with this:
1. Hey, the man is lying death on the asphalt road with bleeding head... a lot of blood
2. Hey, this man is a a rich man that get robbed by and hit ... and now he is lying death with blood

But yeah... people opinion is based on the sense... experience... intellectual... mood....a lot of things... so they represent you in a way

And what kind of conclusion you might think will happened in this story? For anyone point of view that is..

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My opinion is as valuable as yours and I could say the same of you, but I'm not because we are all free to have those opinions. It's not being closed.

Ah ... at least I agreed to this... but I will still think that it doesn't make sense (in a way there's too much flaws in your opinion... for e.g seju doesn't mad only because of the sex and the ring... sumin broke the promises to what they've planned together.. and it's crucial to their future... and more...too lazy to point out.. lol .)

Sumin was mourning her parents' death, it's an understandable excuse to not want to think or do anything about the future. Especially since it was only a month (and I checked, ch.10), she just got their bodies back and trust me, it takes a lot of work that SHE had do alone. It exhausted her both physically and emotionally. Seju, not being a part of a family, couldn't interfere in the process. Then, one day, Seju came to Sumin and said "it's been a month already" and pretty much gave her a "get up and man up". I know some people would say it's good to push those with depression, but it's really not. It's actually one of the worst things to do. The only way to help someone with depression is being by their side, showing support, love, giving them a safe harbor and make an appointment with a psychiatrist. Let them slowly overcome what they deal with, never, ever push. It takes time. It can even takes years. Patience is gold in such situation. Sumin was very close to her parents and Seju looked like she didn't get it. She got angry at Sumin for not wanting to go with their plans and when Sumin started to explain herself again, Seju saw her palm and asked about the ring. She got angry about Sumin losing it. Sumin didn't want to argue about it so Seju stormed out of her appartment, angry, and went to a bar. She made the entire already tragic experience even more tragic for Sumin by sleeping with that bartender - the only person Sumin had left in her life and trusted the most... betrayed her. Do you know what it does to someone with a depression? Makes it even worse and more complicated. And then, Seju's brother scarred her for the rest of her life. Another tragic experience. She felt like she's lost everything in her life. She had no one who she could completely trust anymore. Yeah, she went back to Seju every time after her relationship failed, but it was desperation rather than trust. She desperately wanted to feel again, that's why she suffered at first. But she was unable to do it so during the years she stopped caring too much and was ok with casual sex, even with Seju. This changed when Sungji entered her life, showed support, comfort, loyalty, understanding, everything Sumin had craved for.

at least good to see there is blonde team here in discussion... and yeah take out 1-2 chapters for hot Ending sex of sumin x sungji... and I wonder why but I always see sungji as the dominant one in this couple... not sumin... at least after the first sex.

Yeah, I see Sumin as a submissive character. Even if she's a top, it's a service top. She was like that before Seju cheated on her, it changed later on during the years and she came back to be like that with Sungji. She was also always shy about her own needs, even with Seju, but due to the years they were together, Seju knows it all while Sungji has to learn. It looks kind of like a first time from Sumin's side, which is funny because she's experienced and yet... acts like she's not :P

Who is your favorite character?

Sumin.

we are left to lesser chapters.. will it be an open ending? Any special chapters confirmed?

I don't think we'll get an open ending. Especially with more to come after the main manga story ends.

Yeah sungji's is what sumin needs now.. maybe you're right.... and I wonder if it's what the TG want to deliver... I kinda agree about sungji is a good package of what sumin can get right now... pretty beautiful innocent girl who accidentally work at the same office and like sumin

but because sumin is innocent (not for me though) and she clearly has her own reason to break the promises.. sulking... being harsh.... doesn't care about seju's feeling, etc.. it's okay for her to do what she wants... it's all good for her.

But when every bad things happened to seju ... suddenly it is her own fault....? . good... good... it's what called double standards to me.

And... my fav is sumin too... lmao.. can't foresee her... she looks too much of my fav gg for me...... while seju is my guilty pleasure

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My opinion is as valuable as yours and I could say the same of you, but I'm not because we are all free to have those opinions. It's not being closed.

Ah ... at least I agreed to this... but I will still think that it doesn't make sense (in a way there's too much flaws in your opinion... for e.g seju doesn't mad only because of the sex and the ring... sumin broke the promises to what they've planned together.. and it's crucial to their future... and more...too lazy to point out..but you always make seju as something evil and sumin x sungji as divine angel lol .) at least good to see there is blonde team here in discussion... and yeah take out 1-2 chapters for hot Ending sex of sumin x sungji... and I wonder why but I always see sungji as the dominant one in this couple... not sumin... at least after the first sex. Who is your favorite character? And what kind of conclusion that you have in mind? I am curious ... since there isn't any blonde representative here to give their version of ending

we are left to lesser chapters.. will it be an open ending? Any special chapters confirmed?

@MacySan
It's pointless but sometimes wrong opinion/believes needs to be corrected.... for e.g. Genital mutilation (read dessert flower) or for small things like too many trolls on the net... giving stupid comments for the sake of *I don't know.. and hey it's actually an opinion too. Sometimes I feel that people use freedom of speech (to giving opinion)" as something to defend themselves of their lack of senses... their ignorance .... or whatever you want to call it... just saying lol .. closed minded people do exist.

About the bartender..
I would say it's a bit too much... like a wishful thinking of pink team.... but who know TG might save the best twist for the last...

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