yoonie0104

Make it more light, I found your post kinda funny..

Ok, first suspicious, now its funny. What is funny about my post? LOL

In other side you defend sungji with izz, and other side defend sumin with fox lady

LOL, few pages back its Sumin, now its Sungji, and both of them are not even my dearest character, lolll, what am I even doing? LOLLL, and I even said I dont like them as a couple but I'm defending them invidually, lolll.

yoonie
Just like Lurking, I find your arguments suspicious.. LOL... But I will go along with it .

Like I said before; totally suspicious. Yoonie's change of heart has been so far the biggest plot twist in this forum. I have a few theories... haha

Ok, what is suspicious about my posts? LOLLL

And hey, I didnt change my heart, it stays with Seju and Seju only, lolllll.

I don't see the current situation as Sumin's fault. Cheating, yes. Now, nope.

I have nothing more to say to you, really. Can you, just for once, think of Sungji's perspective for the last 20 chaps, for God's sake?

Do you see her trying her best or you only think Sumin tried her best?

She worked her ass off, her feelings are real and really, Sungji is all over her thoughts. It's Sungji's fault she suddenly started to be stupid and read Sumin the wrong way.

For dear God, how could Sungji read Sumin the right way when Sumin never says a thing? About her and Seju, about her and Sungji, about who is more important for her?

She had every right to feel insecure and of course she had every right to end things with Sumin but as I've mentioned before, she should've sit and talk with her rather than run to which we agreed.

I agree that she shouldnt leave without words, I didnt agree that this is ALL SUNGJI's FAULT

Look how much Sumin had changed and it wasn't forced from her side. She did that because she wanted to do it.

Does Sungji know? And please, think of Sungji's pov before answering

The last part she needed to do was become honest and the moment she did... Sungji became even more pissed. Sungji has her own problems and she took it out on Sumin. It's not the first time she left. It's the first time she left without a reason from Sumin's side.

LOL, so if she were you, you could believe it right away and be cool with it? She has the right to be angry, real or not. Put yourself in her shoes, your gf just slept with her ex, even its just sleeping, its already enough for you to be angry, let alone anything else.

Sungji needs time to think things through. What do you expect her to do? Believing and forgiving right away? She is not a saint without feelings, dear God

Btw, isn't Sumin in the worst state ever right now? I don't think she was this broken in the past.

No, its not, believe me, its not, LOL.

@yoonie

hehe... I just finish an argument with vanbun. More or less, the gist of your argument is the same. Can I just say, "ditto"?... hehe

Then this is what I want to say, there are words could be understood but still need to be said out loud.

You feel sorry, people in front of you think you feel sorry, too but do you need to say sorry? Yes, you do

You feel grateful to one person, so you express it by actions and that person understand your gratitude but do you need to say thank you. Yes, you do

You love one person, you express it and the other understands, but do you need to say I love you? Yes, you do and I believe the other wants to hear it to.

When you love, you say it but when you break up, you didnt need to say it?
Break up, implied reasons, understanding situation, well, who could understand their relationship more than the two who participated in it? So when they break up, there will be silent understanding. But in the end, the breaking up word, the love word will still need to be said.

There is beginning and there should be a proper ending.

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yoonie

Just like Lurking, I find your arguments suspicious.. LOL... But I will go along with it.

Suspicious of what though? XDDDDD. I dont understand xDDDD.

1.Is it wrong for Sungji to leave without saying anything?

She didn't leave without saying anything. She did by returning the ring.

So leaving the ring now means you break up and the other party could understand the message as well as self-understanding the reason of the break up?

Then every coward bf or gf in this world could leave behind their promising ring, engagement ring in front of their partner's door step and disappear and still get praised for their acts, also expected the one they left behind to understand them and forgive them? No need to gather courage to come up and say "hey, let's break up"

Awesome, I should try it next time.

2.Does she need to explain her actions to Sumin?

No. It is self-explanatory. If there is anything, it is Sumin who needs to explain since chap. 51. Trust anchors on honesty. How can a relationship grow without trust? How can love deepen without knowledge? Instinct moves our hearts to know more about the person we love.

What Sumin needs to say and what Sungji needs to say are two different things. So because one doesnt say, the other shouldnt say, either? To make it equal?

Self-explanatory? When one left without the reason, the other could only think of their fault and blame themselves, its a natural thing. So how can is it a self-explanatory?

And how can one have to endure the uncertainty of being left behind, question themselves over and over again? How can one have to try her best to understand why she left in her pain and agony? And we have to think how she left is reasonable and acceptable?

Sungji prepared her heart to Sumin:

Sumin also tried her best, so well, that didnt give Sungji the right to leave without words. Just because you've done your best the whole time, that doesnt mean you could leave like that and think you make me so tired so you should understand why I left.

On a final note, Sungji says a lot of things but none from Sumin.

So? Why makes comparison between both of them? Because I've said alot so one last time I wont say anything, you go figure it out? This is love or a game for us to make it equal?

Sumin is Sumin, Sungji is Sungji, not because Sumin didnt say anything, so Sungji did this and it should be like this.

I've said above, I said it again, Sumin is the root of the problem but she does deserve a closure, whatever that closure is.

But yuppp.. it could be foreshadowing to what will happen next and to where she would live.

I bet that next chap Seju will be back xDDDDD. I have strong feelings about that, xDDDD

First time yes, right now not IMO. She did her best, she tried hard and from her POV it meant nothing. She's blaming herself, not knowing the reason why she left so she's all "maybe I made her tired of me" because she doesn't see herself as a good or enjoyable person. It only adds to her feeling miserable, I think.

That is her POV and what you think for Sumin.

First time, second time, the nth time, it will still be Sumin's fault, lol.

Why do you think Sungji thought that its Seju who Sumin is thinking about and worrying about when she is having a coffee date with her? It's because Sumin herself also cant know for sure about anything, she worries for both and she cant say it clearly or doing it clearly for Sungji to know.

Why do you think that Sungji felt insecure and angry? Because Sumin slept with Seju and leaving behind a pillow and Sungji knew it, and no, I dont say what Sumin did is wrong but do think of in Sungji's perspective. What do you think?

What do you think when your gf is living with your ex gf who happens to be the on she has cheated with in front of her eyes? And yes, I know that Sungji lets it happen but even if Sungji didnt let it happen, Sumin will find ways to protect Seju. That's how it is.

So think of Sungji's perspective for the past 20 chaps, with the things she knows, she hears, she sees, do you think that she can confidently think that Sumin is in love with her with all her heart? That there is no other person in her mind when she is with Sungji?

Can you blame her for leaving? No, you cant, definitely cant. What you can blame her is the way she left, not anything else. She has been nothing but an understanding gf to Sumin, you cant ask for more from her.

I'm saying this, because with your tone, it seems right now, the mess named SuminxSungji is all Sungji's fault and Sumin did nothing. No, the root of the problem is Sumin. Dont dump everything on Sungji and think she doesnt deserve Sumin. Dont you think Sungj has also tried her best for the last 20 chaps?

I know Sumin has been trying her best, but best doesnt necessarily mean she is not at fault. Best only means she tries and she shouldnt be the one being left behind without knowing why. She deserves to know why. That's all.

SejuxSumin doesnt need to elaborate to the point of restart their relationship and all to make it the end. They just need to meet and reconcile and end, which is totally possible.

Not in 2 chapters with Sungji drama all over it. And I can't see getting any bonuses, heh.

That's your problem. You never think of other possibilities and acknowledge it. I told you I could think of a scenario where Sumin will be back with Seju in 2 chaps, no plotholes, with Sungji's problem is done, would you believe me? Cause I have, that's why I dont oppose them and I dont think they're delusional, either.

Making SuminxSungji come back in 2 chaps is more forced than SejuxSumin, lollll, after all the mess with their last break up while SejuxSumin has a clean break. But well, since the author seems to like to build SuminxSungji with unfinished business, I'll go for it

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Nora

I stand by your opinion and yoonie's .. it might have been Seju who she wants to see, even if nobody considers the "grocery shop and the TV" hints..

Wait, wait, my opinion? #.#
This is only sia ue's opinion. I dont think its Seju who Sumin wants to see, even though I pointed out the tv and grocery shop, I already said I dont focus on it, XDDDDDDD. It could be my delusional way of interpreting things so I dont focus on it, I just point it out, lol.

But can we focus on Yoonie so passionately supporting Seju? Which contradicts the bet I'm growing suspicious

LOL, I love her, of course, I would support her xDDDDDD. But bet is bet, LOL, although I dont like seeing that couple anymore, lol

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^I've never said Sumin is innocent, lol. But come on, this time she did nothing wrong. She cut the ties with Seju and was finally competely honest. It didn't work either because Sungji read her the wrong way (weren't you the one who pointed it? :p)

Yes, I pity her for falling to this that Sungji chose the most ungrateful way to leave when Sumin started to try her best but the fault for Sungji to think of leaving is Sumin's, lollll.

I pity her for once, but I dont find her being unlucky or etc.... Sungji should be blamed, not be praised but Sumin is not to be praised or highly talk about then blame all to Sungji.

Two things, leaving this way is Sungji's wrong doing and I pity Sumin because she has to go through this when she is trying her best but everyone praises Sungji, but to make Sungji leave, Sumin only can blame herself.

And you're the one making me stop protecting Sumin, lol

I don't think team blonde ending is the bigger plothole. Sure, we have a lot of bts stuff when it comes to their relationship, but they don't need to start fresh. What they need is sit and really talk.
I still won't like it anymore...

SejuxSumin doesnt need to elaborate to the point of restart their relationship and all to make it the end. They just need to meet and reconcile and end, which is totally possible.

Other things, there could be bonus chaps or sth, I dont know.

So no, its not impossible, I just find it unbelieveable. However, I understand why they believe in it, that's why I dont oppose.

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Which from Sumin's POV must look like she was used and got hurt again for trying to move on. First a physical scarring, now emotional. She's such an unlucky person, heh.

Talk about unlucky then Seju should win the number one spot, not Sumin, lolllll.

You really think too highly about Sumin and thinking she is the victim of everything, even now. That's not how it works, lol.

Even whatever misery she is having right now, she is not a sole victim, part of it is her fault, not say she deserves it but its easy to see it coming.

Maybe Sungji is the one who chose to leave in a most ungrateful way but Sumin is not the innocent one, lolll. She is the cause of it, the problem remains hers and hers alone.

So, this is what it is, maybe readers could blame Sungji for leaving this way but the fault remains to Sumin.

You cant go full force blaming on a girl who endures it all to be with this problematic girl and when she left, its solely her fault. Its not and Sumin is not that much of a person who deserves to be happy either.

She's not thinking about Seju anymore though. Sumin and Sungji are the logical pairing that was built for the entire story.

Tbh, if this story ends with suminxsungji, the plotholes get way more than sejuxsumin, lolllll, with just the way suminxsungji to be back together again, I can list hundreds of plotholes but well, I choose to overlook it.

So plotholes are not sth could be used as a reason for not being an ending couple.

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yoonie
I also was thinking of this what you mentioned about the TV and grocery shopping.. but won't use it as a tool for discussion. The next 2 chapters shall unfold this soon enough. XD

The last time we came up with something on our own, its the house not being in Korea, I think we are right about that now so I guess this time, its not also delusional at all? Lol

There are two things that I saw but dismissed so I dont talk about this, however, with the amount of people who still think Seju still has a chance, you'll find it interesting

• Sumin didnt cry in the scene of brushing her teeth, she remember things but didnt cry. So why did she cry randomly at a public place for people to see? So, let's see how this leads on to that. The fridge is empty and she needs to go for grocery shopping, lol. Reminds you of what? A certain scene of an empty fridge and an exciting someone who went grocery shopping with her and bought thousands of random sale stuff, LOLLL.

• The TV. She needs to pass time and that is her solution, but who suggested that in the first place for her to remember and did it?

But dont be too focused on this. Cause I dont, lollll.

last edited at Aug 29, 2017 7:26AM

Vanbun

From what I can see, a lot of you guys still believe Seju still has a chance. God, this girl has so many faithful believers for her, LOOLLLL. I feel ashamed of myself, LOL

From my view, hmmm, what can I say, from Seju's tone, and how the story goes, she realizes that her love for Sumin is tiring and selfish, so she lets go, she lets go for Sumin to be happy. This somehow feels like a finality for her role.

This is not about SuminxSungji and how they solve their problem, really. Its about Seju and her reason to let go, sth all of us has been waiting since the beginning. Her reason to let go is better then any kind of reason I could ever think of and make her go to a new height but that's the problem, it could also be the end of her role, for good.

So for Seju to be back (and I excluded SuminxSungji in this, they're not related), she has to believe that what sumin has for her is love and all.

Tough one. Really tough one.

The one she is going to see next is the one she wants to be with

I'd bet that the one she sees first is the one she rejects.

For the first time, I'm seeing you being so sure about a prediction, you're always so so about this

Also, since I want to see Seju more, I guess Sumin does too. lol

LOLLLLLL

Only if the current gf doesn't like it. But she does. And it's not like you sell a house only because you had sex with someone else in there.

You forgot who that someone else is, LOL and what that current gf knows of, LOLLL.

Sungji beging the one to come to herSumin, explain herself, talk and apologize is more important to me, heh.

I dont see it happening, lol and well, too dramatic ending for my liking, lol, I dont like it, lol

Gonna need a little bit more than her answer...
I think the ending will be one of the following raking from highest to lowest probability:
- all three part way: because no matter who sumin is with, she will be thinking about the other one, and sungji/seju is not cool with that.

It would not be a story about healing then. And Sumin is not thinking about Seju anymore. She's all about Sungji. She even admited herself she can't stop thinking about her.

It has stopped being a healing story the day Sungji left without words, LOLLL. Even if right now suminxsungji is the couple for the end, the healing part has died for me.

• sumin x sungji: sumin needs to sell or burn down the house. No exception.

No, I don't care about the house. She liked it, she wanted it, she'd buy it herself but Seju was faster. Let her have what she wants, is it that much?

Well, its the house where you fuck your ex gf, bought it from your ex gf, now living with your current gf, LOL, now let's not say the ex gf is not the normal one, LOL while with thousand of better houses out there.

No, living in that kind of house with your current gf is totally not fine.

• sumin x seju: Sungji will need to talk Sumin into this And Sumin brings her lazy ass to find Seju And Seju takes her back... tough one.

Can't see it happening.

Actually it can, LOLLLL, I just dont have faith in that but actually it can, xDDDDDD, you never know until you hear Sungji's reasons.

Gonna need a little bit more than her answer...
I think the ending will be one of the following raking from highest to lowest probability:
- all three part way: because no matter who sumin is with, she will be thinking about the other one, and sungji/seju is not cool with that.
- sumin x sungji: sumin needs to sell or burn down the house. No exception.
- sumin x seju: Sungji will need to talk Sumin into this And Sumin brings her lazy ass to find Seju And Seju takes her back... tough one.

Edit: as always, my math (5) is wrong. Good thing there is something called standard deviation. Allow me to add 2.5 as the std. Phew, all covered.

LOL, now this is more acceptable, but yeah, I agree, if suminxsungji back together, the first thing should be sell that effing house, LOLLLL

With the scale from 1 to 10, how highly the story would go that way in your mind? Realistically speaking?

5 :)

You really fix on giving 50-50 for Sungji's answer about everything this time? After all, Sungji's answer will let us know who will be the couple, lol.

Haha, yeah, I guess there's a lot of sex. And BDSM lately, which is not what I like. Sue is also a terrible villain but the story overal is ok to me. I really, really love Mel and I root for her and Lynn.

I tried it for about under 20 chaps sth, cant remember, its been too long and this is what it left me
- too much sex and well, sex with this kind of thing is totally really not my thing
- the main characters are not some kind of strong characters. I remember when I first read wdtfs, Sumin already appeared to be pretty appealing with her mysterious aura but from what I remember, Mei is just so so, a typical antagonist who tried to build a life, as for Lynn, I have nothing to say, this character is pretty...plain, lol.

The problem with Citrus is that it's not getting regular updates and you forget all the details until the next chapter comes out.

Nah, thats not the main problem for me to drop it. I dont like too simple story where its all about figuring about your feelings towards each other and cute dates, I dropped it even before it got bored, lollll.

That's my problem with TLD too although I don't like all the side characters with an exception of Erae's best friend but she was ruined the moment she entered this weird triangle with ballerina and ex-bully.

Actually the character left impact to me the most before I dropped the story is Yoahn, I want to see her complex and sophisticated inner self, but it got ruined with the development of the story, lol. I dont really like Chayoon.

Nah, Sungji has to understand she made a mistake and should be the one to grow up and do what had to be done instead of leaving like that.

That's what you want for SuminxSungji couple to become tolerable when it ends, not how the story will go, lol xDDDDD. Sungji left because she is sure of herself, that she didnt do anything wrong and that she is right. There is no reason for Sungji to look back or thinking she is wrong. Unless someone tells her so. So the idea should be Sumin looks for her, not the other way around.

And here's the idea - what is Seju's brother up to? What is he getting ready?

The house Seju is supposed to visit. Nothing special there.

Seju saw the state Sumin was in, Sumin told her what happened. Seju might be the one to bring them back together somehow.

Seju wont go that far, and honestly, letting an antagonist to make a grand exit like Seju like this is already making Sungji lose her characteristic. If Seju is the one bringing them back, it makes this couple a lot worse.

Going to the wedding would be too overdramatic because as I said, it's easier to go and see Sungji at work or at home. No need in ruining someone's wedding with showing up with eyes red and puffy, runny nose, pale and tired as hell. Even the best sunglassess wouldn't hide how miserable and sick she looks like. Besides, I don't think she'd want to cause a scene between herself and Sungji on someone's happiest day of life.

Not necessary, time has passed, Sumin might not be in that state anymore, and talking to each other doesnt mean they did it in front of everyone =)))))).

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yoonie

But no, I dont believe in this kind of ending, 100%.

Even after Sungji completely breaks up with Sumin and goes date someone else? While Seju is still single and loves Sumin, and Sumin still has lingering feeling for Seju?

With the scale from 1 to 10, how highly the story would go that way in your mind? Realistically speaking?

For me, zero point five is still little bit high, lolll, but I still give some point since the end has not happened yet so zero point five it is.

last edited at Aug 29, 2017 1:35AM

Pulse is still kind of good. The third party is getting better. There're also Citrus and Lily Love. The love doctor got ruined and I absolutely can't understand Serenade - plotless smut between teacher and a student? I've dropped it long ago.

I dont like Pulse, tried it but not my style. The story is cliche for once but the chacracters dont give enough impact on readers' view. And too much sex, its not even normal sex.

Citrus is boring, too much focused on innocent love and cheesy cliche love. Me no likey

Love Doctor, when I just started to like the third character, it got all ruined by too many characters and side stories, also dropped it.

About the wedding though... Even if it really is a wedding I still can't see Sumin going there. I just can't. She looks like hell, she's clearly unable to collect herself. Someone is calling her (twice), she's not picking up. Showing on the wedding would ruin the wedding. If she wanted to get answers she could always go to the studio or where Sungji lives. There's no point in using a wedding to see her at all. Besides, in the past it was always Sumin who either contacted Sungji or came to see her for answers or explanations. It's about time for a change. Sungji messed up, she's the one who has to go to her. If that won't happen, I will never ever even tolerate the ending. There's a limit to how stupid one character can be and Sungji had crossed the line.

Well, it should be Sumin who will look for Sungji :). It makes no sense now that Sungji comes back looking for Sumin when she has left.

Unless Seju comes back and talks to Sungji, but well, I dont like it, just make Seju go higher and Sungji go lower in the ranking of deserving the love Sumin will give in my mind.

last edited at Aug 29, 2017 1:30AM

yoonie

Seju and Sumin, there is none, so the chance of them backing together is almost zero

There is definitely unfinished business.

No, there is none. If there was ever ever ever an ending with them, it not from unfinished business, it's a new start with a clean state.

But no, I dont believe in this kind of ending, 100%.

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But for what its worth though, Sungji definitely doesnt seem to be in some kind of miserable or sad state, lollll. She seems well, too well.

yoonie
This is what you want.. but not what Sumin needs.. not what Sungji thinks it has a point anymore.

No, its the least Sungji could say, or do before leaving, say sth, anything, before leaving. Just anything, except leaving Sumin in pain and misery.

yes, she needed that.. after all her sadness and shock are gone, only the truth remains.

The truth can remains without ultimate pain and sadness, with just a few words from Sungji.

I dont say that Sungji cant leave, I'm saying that she can leave with a few words to at least not deepen the pain Sumin will have.

I don't want to repeat myself, but I truly think that Sungji knows that Sumin would deny the obvious (saying that she hates Seju in ch77, but later Sungji knows that its not true in ch83.. Sumin saying that she doesn't care anymore ch90, but that's also not true) ..

I also have to repeat myself alot, not only you, but I dont see leaving without words is the thing acceptable, even for whatever reason Sungji is thinking.

Sumin is running from her feelings, I know, you know, everyone knows, yes, she needs to see that but not by pushing her to deepest pain and leaving her vulnerable to the point of not be able to standing up again. They can talk and Sungji has the power of making Sumin understand and face the problem without running away. She has that damn power. I know that you want to say Sungji doesnt need to hear her reasons but Sungji has the power to make Sumin change. She has that but she chooses to leave without words.

So no, it is not justified what Sungji did no matter how people analyse.

Sungji needs no apologies anymore from what she reached.. and Sumin doesn't need explanation to what she knows from ch50 but would still fight unreasonably. So yes, the sadness, guilt and fear will vanish eventually..

I know Sungji doesnt need that but Sungji also needs to say that she doesnt need that to Sumin before leaving, at least, saying that and leaving. The least she could do is say sth before leaving.

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For watever reason she is having, its not justified for she has left without words and leaving Sumin more vulnerable than it should've been.

There is not even about the need of hearing Sumin talk about excuses or reasons, or even begging Sungji to stay, it just a courtesy of having a proper goodbye or at least, making each other understand where they're standing before leaving.

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