I love this so much, the atmosphere, the love for books and the art, is all so good

Same, but where is the yuri?

We should make a new tag: "Kinda sorta Yuri but not really" or "1 chapter of Yuri"

Reminds me of early chapters of Girl Friends back in the day; the scanlators had a little joke page with a conversation, something like
"What are you reading?"
"A new yuri manga!"
"What's it called?"
"Girl Friends! What about you?"
"I'm reading a new manga without any yuri."
"What's it called?"
"Girl Friends!"

Yummy.
Plus, based on the little character summaries at the beginning--no friggin' triangles in the cards!

Given that the B stands for Bondage....

And it seems like that's the only part that ever gets tagged. Im not saying that it's not a part of it but there's also the *DSM (Dominance/ Submission, Sadism/ Masochism) which rarely seems present in the Mangas I've seen with the tag thus far.

It's rare on the site as well. Can't think of too many, especially ones that don't involve bondage.

Yeah. Pity . . . I mean, they don't have to go big time paraphernalia all over the place, but f'rinstance, what's wrong with a nice juicy little spanking? You can't tell me that wouldn't be an apt response to some of the spoiled-brat characters getting shipped.
Sigh. When I am king of the world, Amazume Ryuuta will have a royal commission to do a Yuri "Nana to Kaoru" type story.

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Mmm, pretty average still. Weak chapter tho.

I agree. Chapter 2 is kinda weak. Feels like padding or filler.

Well, someone has pointed out this is unlikely to get as long as the typical shounen harem. I guess the response is they have to start the filler earlier just to have any time for it . . . ;)

It's interesting to see the response to this. Everyone seems to pretty much agree that it's a compltetely by-the-book shounen harem manga, with all the cliches, all the thin characterization, all the panty-shots and fanservice, all the hackneyed-to-nonexistent plot. And then there's the split: Half seem to think this is a terrible idea, half think it's great and have been waiting impatiently for the yuri world to get this kind of thing.
Just for the record, I'm in the "terrible idea" camp. This kind of thing is why in het manga I usually far prefer shoujo to shounen.

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Cute! Never thought I'd see a Yotsuba&! based yuri picture.

So there's a "bread" tag? That's awesome.

I'm not as strong as an interpreter of subtext as you guys here, but did I miss something about someone moving?

I was wondering the same thing. Like, "Was I concentrating so hard on the will-they-won't-they that I didn't notice the big decision to move out happening? What's going on???"

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Nope. Not worth my time. Asami doesn't strike me as any healthier than anyone else in her life.

I'd have to agree with the premise here--that woman seems to have some serious problems of her own, yes. Not sure why that necessarily makes it a bad story. Might make it a good story. Depends how it's handled.

I can totally relate to that Minato girl. I'm 22. I've been good and did what my parents and big sis told me. I told them what I wanted to do but they rejected it and since then I never said a single word about it. I'm not saying they're bad people. Everything they did was only for my own good but I don't know. I'm so fed up with it. I'm tired of listening to them dictating what to do with my life. I feel so constrained. Sigh...

I feel for you. Them too, but mostly you. I mean, it's a bad world out there, and in many ways getting worse (As an older guy I would like to sincerely apologize for the way my generation has fucked the place up. But I voted against all of 'em, honest) so your parents are very likely paranoid. They're all "OMG if she doesn't do the exact right thing and follow the path she'll be toast!!!" but I think there's still room even now to come up with some of your own ideas and if that's what it takes, make a few mistakes when you're young. And money is nice but if it's at the cost of being thwarted all your life that's likely not worth it. So I think their overcontrol is misguided; I'm trying hard not to do that with my daughter. (Self-actualization advice may not apply if starting position is really precarious; loss of income in Germany is one thing, in Guatemala a little different)

Moving pretty fast. Quickly sets up the premise and then straight to sex in the first chapter.

I dunno, After Hours did that and it's pretty great so far.

It wasn't a criticism, merely an observation.

Moving pretty fast. Quickly sets up the premise and then straight to sex in the first chapter.

I laughed so hard. What a bitch, you just have to love her.

Don't actually have to, no.

So....fast....it's...obviously axed.
or was it?

According to someone in comments elsewhere, the author says it wasn't axed, this is how it was planned.

You are probably right indeed... The fact she answered "I think so, maybe" with such innocence when asked if she was lesbian shows she doesn't even know what is love.
Rui might be the only lesbian after all, kinda sad.

She wanted to give that scarf to "most beautiful senpai in school". Chances for it being only admiration are high.

Ayup. In love with the idea of love and such. I see her turning to the girl she knows, who helped her and was there for her. And then all will be sweet and fluffy.

Actually, to me (and I think this is a strength of the story) the big sister only goes from "jerk" to "ambiguous". Yes, a couple of little sister's recollections of having things taken away are actually recollections of having things not taken away. But she still treats her routinely like a servant, and she still hangs with nasty vapid backbiting friends and lets them nastily backbite her girlfriend. She turns out to be not so bad, but I don't think the story is making her out to be totally sweet and wonderful under a tsundere facade, just a realistic person with good and bad points (and maybe capable of being recalled to her better self by the love of a good woman). IMO people are forgetting this because we tend to be too easily swayed by the most recent snippet of information.
Younger sister would probably have been better suited to Kuga-san, but she's out of the running because she's younger (and 'cause she met her second, which is fair enough). It's good her older sister has a nicer side, but the one who brought it out is Kuga-san. To me that second-to-last page, with the message saying "sorry for stealing your big sister away from you" is doubly ironic--on one hand, that's the opposite of her problem, rather she feels like her big sister stole Kuga-san away, and on the other, Kuga-san (with her gentle, generous influence) if anything gave her back an older sister she hadn't had for a while.
It's a great story, but I do find it bittersweet, and I don't think it should be disqualified just because the girl in love is young. I remember how it was--when I fell in love at 13, it was as hard a fall as I ever had in my life, ripped me up and made me as sad as anything ever did. It wasn't some little thing just because I was young, and I think that's true for lots of young people.

I have no idea why, but while I'm pretty "meh" with most doujins, I have a real soft spot for NanoFate. Mmmm.

i worked in a resturant specialized in weddings, and the cake is usually a mille-feuille, at least in italy,
only few could cut it, i was able to only after 2 years of work

Impressive. I love those things, I share them with my wife, cutting them is a pain and a half. The custard always squidges out. Must take a light touch and a sharp knife.

I've heard of fingering but.. toeing? Is that what it's called? Lol. Well this deserves a fav.

She gives great foot.

Explain? Well thanks awfully, here I thought this was a conversation but actually it was instruction all along? Very well, I'm done here then.

Saying that there are other things going on as well is very different from saying there is "absolutely no sex". Of course there are other things going on as well. And very wonderful things they are; I don't disagree with a word you say. N to K is a really beautiful impressive manga.
I don't think I understand, though, the distinction you draw between "erotic" and "sexual". Surely the first is some sort of subset of the second?

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The culture of s&m isnt about sex (or only about sex), what individuals do with it is a whole 'nother story. Too many people watched or read 50 shades of nonsense and think that's what s&m is. Sunstone is a more accurate depiction.

Also what KittyCatOmaniac said.

Just have to read "Nana to Kaoru".

There's absolutely no sex in it (lots of service though), but it's damn thrilling. One of the cutest dom/sub relationship I ever read about.

There's no sex in the sense of going all the way, but it's clearly about sexual tension, about desire; they will get to sex sooner or later (not necessarily in the manga, but you know their relationship is headed in that direction). The SM in Nana to Kaoru is thoroughly sexual. If that's the kind of yardstick people are using for "Oh, no, no, SM isn't a sex thing" I am greatly skeptical.

And I think it's unnecessary, a sort of defensive reaction, taking on board a hint of puritanism from the critics, like "Oh, no, it's not some mere tawdry sex thing"--hello, sex is a foundation of our existence as biological organisms, we wouldn't be here without it as much as we wouldn't be here if we didn't eat. Obsession with sex is a basic important survival trait, so of course sex is intertwined hugely with our cultures, with huge amounts of what we do. Back to SM, if the point isn't driving that fundamental obsession (in a sometimes somewhat obscured way) then I don't get the point; I don't see how sex is just an optional extra. I can envision SM without a sexual component, I guess, but it seems like the drives involved must be much less basic.

(Although I suppose Tachi's reaction to SM is almost nonsexual, it's like a different kind of athletic effort for her. But I don't really grok her take on it for precisely that reason.)

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ya know for a manga about sadomasochism it's surprisingly not sexual at all XD I both love and hate it. But it's so cute and funny I can hardly complain. I don't want this to end ;-;

S&M isn't really about sex. It's about trust and control and submission. Sex is often associated with it because of ignorant writers and Hollywood.

Kitsune has just won the thread. Go home people, we're done here.

I dunno. Seems to me that's a matter of individual taste. I personally like sex in my S&M; just the power stuff with no lust holds little interest or point for me. Just because some people want to separate the two doesn't mean they belong apart. You can eat graham crackers without chocolate or marshmallows, too, but it would be wrong to say they have nothing to do with each other.

Well, the sex was awfully damn abrupt.

But the general "This makes very little sense" atmosphere, with a lot of apparent non sequiturs in the conversation, was a surprisingly good rendition of how things go in the series. Although the girl with the longer hair usually says stuff that's a lot weirder than that. The art did a pretty good rendition of the way the manga does their faces and the cluttered feel of their homes and stuff. As a doujin specifically of Dead Dead Demons Dededededestruction it was well done.
As a sexy doujin more generally, it was kind of meh. But to be fair, while I can imagine those two having sex, even in the actual manga, I can't imagine it being all that sexy when it happens.

. . . since when does one not fap to sexy yuri? What memo did I miss that needs badly to be burned before I get it and have my fun spoiled?

Couch is suddenly HUGE!

It's certainly a Big Comfy Couch. (I'm sure I just ruined someone's childhood)

I like how honest this feels. It's not full of the usual ritual phrases we see in yuri, or complete ignorance about sex. It's even got girls laughing during the act which really speaks to me, since that relaxation and intimacy are really part of the mood. Not something you really see much, if at all, in the Japanese stuff.

True, this is nice that way. I found it pretty fun and engaging.

As to Japanese stuff . . . I can only think of one major exception, really. That would be Maka-maka. By the same author as Virgins' Empire, but much more adult. It almost systematically breaks most of the conventions of yuri manga in specific, romance manga in general, and sex in manga. The art style is odd by manga standards--it's all in colour, it has a more three-dimensional look and the face and body types are somewhat unusual. Most relevant to this, the two leads (both girls) have sex a lot and are generally laughing through half of it.
It's really worth taking a look at IMO. The attitude towards sex, friendship, romance and stuff are very different from how you see them in normal manga, and the social environment seems neither sugar-coated nor sensationalized. There's more to it than meets the eye. Look at it one way and it's just this manga about two friends who have sex a lot. But I feel like there's a challenge in it to a whole lot of conventions, both manga and social.

Just so .... so ... cuuuuute! Wait, people get undressed & do it with the lights off the whole time? That has never occurred to me. Sounds like fun role-play for next time heh heh.

Thinking of fun role-play, I like your icon thing. Clearly Morishima Akiko, yes? But where is it from?