It's weird isn't it. Well in that particular instance I decided to rush things and conquer Scotland and Ireland so my ground forces were impeccable, which is why the enemies could not land. They just circled around with their ships being a nuisance. And the danes, Norway, Burgundy and France at the same time in a war ( plus a few nobodies ) meant I could not leave my island.
The Trio of Norway, danes and France means a lot of ship.

Denmark does always have an annoying navy. Usually with Portugal though, as well as keeping my navy only to heavy and light ships, I can control the seas. If I'm lucky, I'll often have Castile as England too. Pity since military access is shared now I can't work up the courage to play through the HYW again, I liked England...

I just think that your country taking zero damage would mean that you really didn't lose anything. At least that's how it would be in IRL at the time. But I understand that from a gameplay mechanic it might not be the coolest.

Often times the result of wars weren't based on tangible gains of territory, but rather economic suppression, dissent of certain classes and threat of intervention. I usually just blame this if a peace deal seems off.

I'm too impatient for streams and such usually. I'll sometimes have a let's play in the background at most. Playing the games needs a bit of a break for me though. I usually play with max number of enemies and huge resources, and spend most of my time systematically destroying the map.

I'm a big RTS player and have the APM to back it up so I harass alot with god tier micro. Harassing villagers is an art in AoE. There's a lot you can make your units do if you just don't just point and click attack. It's one of the great things in the game. The way arrows work, height advantage etc... A lot of outplay in there to do.

I just hoard resources, rush all the tech and go in with all destroying armies. I'm probably too cautious early on because I don't like to tempt an attack from my enemies, who usually have a larger military because they're far more competent than me. I don't invest well enough.

Okay, no I don't, but it's the most hated game I know and own. And I would play it if my Laptop would run it...

Play the other total wars though. Europa Universalis IV is my main game currently though, and a few other strategy based games (Civ V, Rise of Nations, Age of Empires II, Crusader Kings II). I plan to get every game linked with Paradox, because seriously, I love those guys. Only have two now though.

I very occasionally play Smite, SWTOR and PoE. SWTOR and PoE probably more than Smite.

So, on the whole, doubt anyone plays many of them.

Fan of strategy games, eh? I wouldn't say no one plays the games. Paradox is well liked by many, and Europa Universalis 4 is extremely popular if you're into more slow paced startegy games. I like the game myself although it has some dumb things like losing a war based on points because your allied country got wrecked and you were stuck In England because naval inferiority. I mean, you lose yet you took no damage :( .

As far as AoE goes... I'm an avid fan of ZeroEmpires stream and youtube, Can't get enough of dem clan wars and all. I occasionally watch TheViper's stream as well. I don't play anymore but I like to watch.

PoE is the refined gentleman's ARPG but I could never enjoy too much because of how clunky the animations were plus I always play hardcore so desynch hell wasn't my cup of tea. I heard they might fix that although they've said that like a million of times already.

I pretty much never encounter a fan of Europa Universalis though, especially in person where the only strategy fans I know struggle with creating a decent economy in the original Rome.

Your scenario confuses me, it seems to be implying England in some way doesn't have naval superiority if you're there and not them? That just feels... Wrong. Losing a war because of your ally usually isn't that bad though. They take the hit more so than you usually, unless you're co-belligerent for some reason, which I don't think the AI ever does. Or if you're the attacked and it's only your ally that's under siege, they can't enforce demands, so you can cheese of a peace at their expense.

I'm too impatient for streams and such usually. I'll sometimes have a let's play in the background at most. Playing the games needs a bit of a break for me though. I usually play with max number of enemies and huge resources, and spend most of my time systematically destroying the map.

I'm not sure why I enjoy PoE as much as I do. I like the leveling system, though like in SWTOR, I never think out a build for my character, so they're usually terrible. Just as well I'm fairly solitary and don't really interact much (at all).

You never know until you mention them, it's kay we won't judge.

Are you sure?

... I play Rome II.

Okay, no I don't, but it's the most hated game I know and own. And I would play it if my Laptop would run it...

Play the other total wars though. Europa Universalis IV is my main game currently though, and a few other strategy based games (Civ V, Rise of Nations, Age of Empires II, Crusader Kings II). I plan to get every game linked with Paradox, because seriously, I love those guys. Only have two now though.

I very occasionally play Smite, SWTOR and PoE. SWTOR and PoE probably more than Smite.

So, on the whole, doubt anyone plays many of them.

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What's the scope of games discussed here? Anyone else mourning the demise of square Memel?

Games of the video variety

Wrong scope. Funny though.

I'll just assume no body plays the games I do.

What's the scope of games discussed here? Anyone else mourning the demise of square Memel?

My take is, she disn't say the physical was not important or irrelevant. She did say that the mental aspect is more important in yuri than in other romances, because it's deemed "unnatural" by society. So, it's a quest to find someone like you, like finding a pin in a haystack

And "we are the same", is perfectly explained here I think. The things that makes them the same isn't only their body, it's everything : their love for each other, their desires, the fact that they are "out of mainstream" and their bodies of course. Both are looking for a soulmate, someone who will match with them, someone they can "fuse" with.

At least, I think it's like this in a lot of classical yuri. "We are the same" is a sentence Mari says when she makes love with Akko in Girl Friends. Because she was desperate to be accepted as she can not help to be, and finding her loved one being "the same" in body and desires, is a huge relief for her.

And I can't remember where else right now, but I'm sure I've read that sentence every so often in yuri stories.

And if you've watched Yuri Kuma Arashi, the ending illustrates exactly this. To be "the same" makes your love true.

I agree with this mostly. But c'mon, actually IN yuri it's more like finding a certain pin in a heap of pins. Take the manga we're commenting on for example. Heterosexuality doesn't exist.

Mami/[...]Kyuubey

What? People do that?

They do. It's horrible.

http://dynasty-scans.com/pairings/kyuubey_x_mami

I have no idea if I'm meant to do more to link here, but it's a thing and it makes me sad.

There's twice as many as Mami x Office Lady, her most obvious pairing.

So sad.

Well, apparently linking is that easy, but I can't be bothered to re do the sentence, so it stays.

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Oshikko Sensei is pretty good.

Not sure if serious....

What's not to be serious about? It's great stuff.

My usual method of finding new stuff is to go to recently added, and clicking on the link to go back as far as possible, and read on from there.

Eh, when it comes to spoilers, far as I'm concerned out of sight out of mind. As long as people aren't rubbing them in my face, for my purposes the webtoon exists as far as the most recent English translation.

I envy you so much. I find it almost impossible not to look at spoilers if they're available. I find it fun when you have an idea of a world through the spoilers, and it completely changes when watching/reading/whatever. The only thing stopping me from this is that I want to read other yuri, and the thread is big.

Now I don't know what to think, I'm confused about the ending, is it yuri? not yuri? what is yuri?

It would be easier to try asking directly to Sukekoro if the older sister married that guy or not, but don't look like Sukekoro still uses his/her Twitter anymore, didn't find a pixiv account, I found Happy End on Amazon but I don't think it says anything useful there, we'll probably never know for sure...

C'mon, believe in the yuri! one of... me! One of... me!

It doesn't work as well when you can't use plural. But as long as you're confused, surely best to believe in yuri, right?

The size of the spoiler thread really tears me on this. I don't have the time or will to go through it. So do I content myself with keeping up to date with translation? but then I'll just be painfully aware of the spoiler thread and how far along some people are. But then, it's too good not to follow, so I don't want to wait for it to finish before reading it all. This requires a scream of manly rage to fix, I'll be back in a second.

*small squeak

Well... that didn't solve anything at all...

If the judge were me, I could probably give you my nominees/winners for 2013 and '14 (edit: yes I'm a loser). But sadly there isn't an actual competition...

Damn it, there should be! What's the point of posting strings of letters on the internet if it's not a competition?

Whoa, taking a step back for a second makes me realise how easy I just made it for a random observer in a game of 'guess my genitalia'.

Why isn't that a game show? I would so watch that.

edit: Don't worry, you're too awesome to be a loser. If you want to see a loser in action, see any post I've ever made. Such as ones like this where I needlessly fanboy over random people on forums.

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I enjoy the secret story this oneshot tells:
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This is possibly the first instance of someone shipping yuri magazines in a yuri magazine.

Nominating for post of the year 2015.

Thank you so much, it was both hilarious and rather interesting!

Is there an actual post of the year competition?

Uhh... Fun? I think it was meaningless on both sides, done only on long haired girls part to reinforce the charade. Short hair went along for similar reasons. I just assume neither really thought of sex as meaningful, and did it because they were 'supposed' to, for the sham.

And God damn it I must be a masochist. I saw this in the forums, and I was 80% sure I knew this manga, and as before, it's going to have me up all night crying! Yeah, I'm weak. I didn't sleep last night either, and with a full day at school tomorrow (seriously, two in two weeks, how are they everywhere?) my day is going to end up 50 hours plus...

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And that was WAAAAY too long.

Edit: Also, I think I forgot to ask why the last two quotes indicated the relationship ended. I assumed that if if they got their happy ending by each others side, that would mean they were together? The first was I think I mentioned my opinion on, and it's certainly questionable, but I didn't get what was so un-yuri about the others.

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"However...the world they shared didn't continue forever." "I wonder who got the happy ending." "With Ume-chan by my side, we both did."

All of the above dialogue points to their relationship ending, happily. After the time-skip Ume is dressed in a coat, outside visiting the grave of their goldfish (a signal to the past), clearly not a huge part of whatever proceedings are taking place inside the church.

Even if you discounted all of the above or interpreted those differently, it's very difficult to read this as an incestuous wedding given that they're in a church, there's no relevant approach of that topic in the chapter, and there's no discussion of Ume being "the groom (or bride)" that there ought to be when she kisses her sister in the final scene.

Of course, if it makes you happy to think of it as yuri, more power! Stories are all about interpretation, and if that interpretation makes you feel best, go for it.

Well, I guess I can kind of stretch and see the room thing as the relationship ending, but I thought of that as a metaphor for them keeping it secret, and a room for everyone was them being open about their relationship, with the author waving any further questions because the story was over and there had been enough angst. There's the distance at the doors, which could symbolise their separation, but then they're back together the next panel. So, you know, an always return to each other thing. I mean, it goes "who got the happy ending" and then they kiss. I mean, I just can't see het after that. The only hint that she was supposed to marry the dude was his shocked face, which I dismiss as proof because there is no contact between the guy and the older sister (note to self; relearn their names), just between the sisters.

The church bit is what I meant by lazy writing, just giving them a happy end without explaining it.

I thank you both for trying to explain, and though now I think I can see why people thought it was het, kinda, sorta, I suppose I'm just lucky and I don't see it that way, and while i realise I must be wrong, and I'm just not smart enough to see the het, if everyone else says it's het, I still find it odd that that's the conclusion people came to.

In the end my view is

• The story and the room for two thing is just summing up how they couldn't live in isolated bliss as time went on.
• However, they still maintain their relationship despite this, as shown by them kissing right after mention of the happy ending.
• This is followed my mention of them both having a happy ending, which meant to me that their happy ending must together. I can't think why else to place a kiss there.
• I don't personally think a groom would exhaust his self when a wedding was going to start soon. You can see sweat. Not a great marital state I thought.
• The photo at the end has the sisters touching, but not the groom.
• Her being the happiest in the world if her sister was marrying the guy would make less sense than an actual incestuous marriage between sisters in Texas.
• Maybe it was a sham marriage, maybe, I could just buy in a cynical mood, but given the prior, and the fact the guy doesn't exactly have the expression of someone just married (I'm given to believe comes later), I don't think my brain could possibly compute a het and not yuri actuality, even IF the marriage papers say otherwise. Not convinced by the if.

Perhaps it's like how the Ontological/Teleological/Cosmological/Moral arguments for God just assume God rather than prove it, in the sense my brain just fills in any gap with it, and even if there is a viable alternative. Why must God be the uncaused causer. Why not Aristotle's Prime Mover? The reason is, philosophers like Kant and Anselm couldn't conceive of an explanation other than God. So, I'm basically some crazed yuri cultist.

I realise this was a bit pointless, but hopefully my retarded thought process will convince someone to think along my lines, because the more yuri in the world, even if it is only falsely perceived, can only be good.

I've never known someone who passed up yuri goggles for the riskier option of having your vision permanently changed. Truly, you are a hero and an inspiration to us all..! begins weeping

It was a tough decision. My vision of the world is forever altered. I'm now even more immensely awkward whenever two+ girls are in the same room/screen/page/whatever, but by whatever deity you ascribe to (personally, I believe in a pantheon of yuri gods, I'm SURE that's unique), it was worth it. Your kind words only enforce this. I am proud to do this service to yuri.

Hmmm, no. I find Keiko awkward in that outfit.

She looks much better in a ladysuit.

well I thought her hair looked off in the princess dress, and yeah she looks better usually, but she still looked adorable.

Supposedly got married ? Who else could she have married ? Seeing how the guy got annoyed by the sisters kissing, I personally see it as she married the guy without it being a fake marriage of convenience and kept her special relationship with her sister. The two relationship are different and they are important to the big sis, so everyone adapted and they all had their "happy ending". Plus there was no statement of them getting together as in they are the only one for each other, just that they both ended happy because they stayed together.

So I do think it ended with het... actually, the fact that she married a guy is enough for thinks there is het. Note that there can be yuri and het together in a manga.

And if it is a marriage of convenience, I find it even worst.

I just took it as a gag. I mean, at that point it seemed more implausible for older sister to marry the guy than for the author to just go 'screw logic, I'll let these two get married'. I mean yeah, unlikely in the real world, but when I read it I thought it was lazy writing without thought for real consequences, for the sake of the happy end. I just couldn't see anything indicating she married the guy, he just seemed to be there for the wedding cameo.

I didn't mean stated, stated, just the way that the story lead into the final scene seemed to indicate completely towards the sister.

Maybe I shouldn't have gotten the yuri-eyes operation, because I still can't see the het.

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You know, I still haven't got a clue why people think this is a het ending. The two who supposedly got married didn't interact at all in the epilogue, and the build up literally on the pages prior was pretty much stating that the two sisters were getting together. Just, can anyone enlighten me as to why this is het? I just don't see it...

also, someone said somewhere that the author thought they had done a yuri manga didn't they? So where on earth does the het come from?

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Yay. i make a request to Uploaded this manga after know if have very good ending
http://kitsukyouno.livejournal.com/35848.html
here I leave some spoiler to the end if you want to know

Well, came here, enjoyed the first chapter, checked out the comments aaaaaand disappointed in a page. GG

I enjoy the secret story this oneshot tells:

Aside from Yuri Hime and Hirari, Tsubomi used to be one of the only other big names in yuri publishing. It has since gone out of business, but recently Mebae has taken its place (it is also the magazine this oneshot ran in). This story literally has Mebae sending love letters to Tsubomi. I consider this oneshot as a love letter from Mebae (or the author) for all the good Tsubomi has done for yuri.

It has a lot of amusing parallels which further personify these magazines as their characters:

"I found Senpai at a book store I just happened to visit" and "After some time, she graduated, but I ended up entering the same world as her." start the story off strong on Mebae talking about finding a Tsubomi magazine, and then Tsubomi going out of business but having Mebae enter the industry soon after.

"You were born in April, Me-chan." Refers to Mebae's Volume 1 release on April 31st 2014.

"I've graduated, we live in different worlds now" again refers to Tsubomi going out of business, but then Mebae responds "We're together! I chose to enter this industry so I could be closer to you, Senpai". Pretty obvious.

Tsubomi has a lot of stories that never get to the kiss (infuriatingly, at times), hence the kissless virgin moment.

Tsubomi ran for 21 volumes, thus "There's 21 minutes left to my birthday" and the subsequent "Unfortunately, I'm out of time" when those 21 minutes are up.

Unrelated specifically to this oneshot, but Tsubomi means flower bud and Mebae means seedling. This connection runs deep!

This is possibly the first instance of someone shipping yuri magazines in a yuri magazine.

Well that made it kind of sad... ish?

But come on, as if someone hasn't shipped yuri magazines before. It's shiping. It's ALL been done.

I think that Senpai's anatomy was wrong.

"Hehe, so you did see us then."

There was nothing to indicate she saw you from what she said. You came in sporting a hickey and talking about how Mayu went to sleep after she came. She didn't need to see you to deduce what was going on between you. I feel I've written you too much.

This was a really interesting challenge to translate. I've not had much experience with long-form translation in quite a while, and then I wanted to keep the 'children's book' feel to the language as well...

How'd I do, d'ya think?

https://youtu.be/b3cEYSacVHI?t=47s

I will never again be able to read one of your comments without hearing that voice coming out of your avatar's head.

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