On the other hand, tsugumi has suddenly disappeared, which suggests a tragedy or her pregnancy may result... forced pregnancy?

Well, it's certainly not the pregnancy, since she had Haru when she was 17, which would be some time after graduating from middle school.

Her classmate (current nurse) says she suddenly disappeared at graduation. That's where I think there was an event, exactly at that moment, right?

So their friendship may not have been so special? Is that what this chapter's implying? Even so, can't wait to get some Tsugumi backstory

I doubt that. It seems like it was kind of secret or rather unnoticeable bestfriend(or more who knows) kind of relationship, especially with how timid Midori is.

Midori herself has said multiple times her relationship with Tsugumi was rather one-sided. She knew that she wasn't special to Tsugumi. So what the nurse is saying actually makes sense. If anything, I'm not sure where Haru got the idea Midori and her mother were close. No one ever said they were.

This is not true because Midori was silent and tsugumi systematically made the first step to talk... Moreover it was found in the adult tsugumi smartphone the number of Midori she had kept while there was no one else…
On the other hand, tsugumi has suddenly disappeared, which suggests a tragedy or her pregnancy may result... forced pregnancy?
Something abnormal happened and tsugumi didn't seem like a very hot girl...

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The thing is that aki accelerates things too much because she is angry to see a girl hesitated in front of yori whom she loves... but she says she understands that himari and yori have agreed to take the necessary time and that yori wants to take himari's heart with her song... aki should have waited until the concert to see himari's reaction and the denouement between the two...
She's making things too much of a fuss, a kind of whim. Of course yori is anxious about himari's opinion,that she is jealous, it is part of the process that has been set up... But aki doesn't accept it because she is already crazy in love with yori but she is not yori's choice and she is not himari and must respect that.
Finally it brings me some action and himari will probably want to confide in his kitchen senpai!

Despite the "violence" of the attack of aki I think it is a good thing to make himari progress in understanding herfeelings...
It may even be aki's real goal to "shock" himari to see if she reacts with, for example, jealousy or a big pinch in her heart...
On the other hand if himari does not react aki will not hold back even if yori is madly in love with hima and it will be very difficult for her to change her mind.....

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As usual it will lead to nothing, she will never cheat chidori, but there will be a scene of jealousy and yelling, it's too predictable...It would be missing if the chidori's seinpai came back and this is the fireworks display!

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For spoilers this may mean that risako wanted to demonstrate to kaoru that his loving obstinacy towards reii was not shared and that he had no meaning. That kaoru takes years to confess his feelings to him and can't do it, while risako can do it in a few meetings without any problem.
It would be a beautiful revelation on the cheating side between reii and her but also on the obstinacy of kaoru who ignores the defects of reii and still wants to go out with him. Which is a good match for an adult kaoru

Nevri : I confirm that we will never agree and I'm sorry for the "he".

This is incoherent--what does "reading according to preferences" have to do with the concept of narrative focus?

Inconsistencies I can find in all the mangas, necessarily when you target a particular story it no longer becomes relevant especially for a family and love fiction with characters all very typical and different.
Moreover, the author masters his art and his history very well, there are defects but no more than similar mangas or characters are immersed in melodrama.
I like the fact that it evolves slowly, that characters that we thought were frozen and incurable change little by little and that thanks to that the story evolves. After this bow on kaoru I can't wait to see the same thing with uta.
That the manga drags on in length pleases me, it is completely different from a haru and Midori for example much denser but both have their charms.

Nev, it’s obvious they don’t understand the concept of focus (or just don’t care about it) and are never going to stop making excuses for this one and projecting stupid suppositions onto those who don’t.

What concept? yours? that of not admitting that people don't read the same way you do? that you judge an author's work according to your preferences?
Your opinions are anything but neutral in any case!
He loves nettaigyo wa yuki who suffers from the same problems so I am septic about the logic of criticism.
It is better to say that we don't like manga instead of yes, find all kinds of excuses that we can find to belittle it.

Stannis posted:

there are lots of mangas where everything happens in the first 10 chapters not this one

I never said everything has to happen in first 10 chapters. Good to know you didn't understand me at all.

you must not like nettaigyo wa yuki no kogareru either, right?

I love it. It's well-written exploration of feelings and development between two main characters, without ever losing focus. Unlike this one.

Well no, this manga also hides a lot of mysteries if we follow your reasoning, how come konatsu and koyuki are like that? what are their past? what are their feelings? his father is not just absent for business he is almost never there, is this realist? her mother ? why don't we know if konatsu is in love or not with koyuki? why koyuki doesn't ask what konatsu feels like ?very happy first part and we move on to pure drama, they talked to each other at the beginning and on the last chapters they talked less than on the very first one, why koyuki under the guise of I don't know what of lonely ment a konatsu ? why kaede does anything? the path of koyuki ,why konatsu doesn't know about it from the father ,the brother or in the school that koyuki goes to the university of tokyo? We are very far from having all the details and the author does cliffhanger just as much.And we can talk about the same tricks when, for example, kaede wants to ask konatsu how she feels if koyuki goes to university, or the good old phone ring that interrupts everything or the fact that she happens to meet kaede and koyuki, or the message she doesn't send when she's on a school trip to Tokyo because she falls asleep...in short the same strings as we see in all mangas.
In short, it's just as disconnected as a story and there are a lot of unanswered questions, if we analyze it in your own way, except that I also love this novel, which also leaves plenty of room for imagination because if you know where the story is going, please tell me because we're at the same point as the unrequieted love...
It just seems like you hate manga, kaoru and nothing else… and that you wanted the story to go in a different direction...
The author does not require you to read his work now it is he who proposes his way of doing things, which is realistic for me on the changes and evolution of personalities over time and it is not up to you or me to decide that he should do things differently, it is his work, his story... your way of judging is borderline is like criticizing someone who loves a star wars instead of a kill bill, they are excellent films that have a totally different narrative.....

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Interesting the very jealous classmate does anything with haru at school. Haru also repackages it sever ^^
And haru who understands at the end that Midori was in love with her mother....
We may learn more soon and it will be very intense emotionally compared to tsugami....

We talk about it again at the end of the manga, there are lots of mangas where everything happens in the first 10 chapters not this one and it suits me.
I specify that I like both type of narration, you must not like nettaigyo wa yuki no kogareru either, right?

I think readers need to understand that this is the author's vision and that he assumes it, he knows very well that he could give much more detail but he doesn't do it consciously. It leaves a lot of room for imagination and interpretation and I like that.
So it can't please everyone, I myself had moments of frustration because things weren't moving fast enough but now I really appreciate the story in retrospect, and I know we're getting to the part where things like the past are beginning to be explained.

It feels like the author keeps a lot of concrete information to mark the occasion during the real revelations!
There we are clearly focused on the kaoru arc on the present and soon its past and the situation after this arc will not even be solved yet.....
Then the same thing or uta will have to adjust and acclimatize to her new situation with revelations about her past and why she is so in love with kaoru.
Then I think that if the two girls solve their respective problems, what feelings will they then have at that moment? the emptiness of not seeing each other anymore? going on with their lives on their own?
From where we will have all the information and the respective family situations calmed down (or not) the author could end this with a romance or a sweet ending between them.
What is for sure is that this manga is not about to be finished and will last with many chapters.....
I am sure that if the author correctly masters the key events that happen, a complete final proofreading will make a very, very good emotional manga.

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In my opinion on the next bow of uta you will have all the information and flashback since she is going back to her parents necessary on the past of uta...
It is the author's style to disseminate information, to let us think that..... every time, it is frustrating but in a way his journey.
Currently we spend a lot of chapters on kaoru and we discover little by little things and it is not finished, the same procedure will happen for uta.

I can't believe that people forgot about this~
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1mwJYx1Yj7fvunmx6
I don't like other people said I don't think Kaoru is dumb or useless, I just think she cared about how her feelings and actions might affect others. But now that Uta's gone, she doesn't really need a reason to keep up the ACT. I think Kaoru is an expert at observing her surroundings and people around her, we see her at the beginning of the first chapter catching Uta in her lie and Reiichi in his, in the middle of chapter 27. We see her time and time again saying that "it would be easy to just believe that lie." So sadly, if Kaoru obviously picks up that someone is lying, it would be hard for me to say that Reiichi isn't cheating.

It's absolutely true kaoru is very good at reading people's faces... that's why when she says she doesn't believe risako it's true, and she's been since college apparently. She says there's no better liar than risako, but she sees it very well.
I feel there's going to be a lot of twists and turns and risako is a central character in everything. I think she's using reiichi or this one's like a puppet...

It's a fiction, so the goal is that in the end we don't stay on status quo...
The purpose of the story centred on kaoru and uta is to see their development, all the more reason why they are separated by distance and can no longer help each other (especially kaoru).
For me kaoru is finally making a personality change and I hope that the author will demonstrate it later.
The manga will not end like uta and kaoru will stay away from each other and everything and finished....

So like when exactly will Kaoru reach that point of rock bottom?

I'm thinking about the next suspicion she'll have, like for example reicchi going on a business trip a little too long or something like that or she really intends to ask reicchi for explanations or risako.
She's mentally preparing to act. Kaoru has always needed to think before acting.

When do you see Kaoru as actually acting? I mean this seriously--I can much more easily remember occasions where she decides that she's going to act and then doesn't, or she starts to ask important questions but allows herself to be deflected by the answers.

I know she is full of compromises, but for example when she finally decides to clarify the feelings of love for uta, she has made her decision.
Now we must not forget that since the departure of uta (and kaoru who says it) she retains less her words towards reicchi already, the baby test confirmed her in the fact that he was not really serious with her. She got angry with her husband, which is not at all usual according to her friends, by the way. I'm sure she won't accept a reiichi or risako becoming now. We would all like it to go faster but kaoru evolves slowly but surely towards a less submissive character, is realistic because it takes time to change years of repression of itself.
Now it is obvious that the author takes all his time but I think you have to get used to this fact. We may have many other chapters on developments both in kaoru and uta. But the denouement of this reiichi-kaoru-risako triangle is vital for the story and the author must know exactly what conclusion he wants to write.
So I don't agree that the mangaka doesn't know where his story goes.

So like when exactly will Kaoru reach that point of rock bottom?

I'm thinking about the next suspicion she'll have, like for example reicchi going on a business trip a little too long or something like that or she really intends to ask reicchi for explanations or risako.
She's mentally preparing to act. Kaoru has always needed to think before acting.

Yes it is the biggest mystery of this manga for the moment, risako has been introduced very early with small distinctive appearances... she pleases men but says that she is not more interested in it than her... it seems that she slows down her love life for a reason, for kaoru? why? This story has been going on since high school and maybe reicchi is just a bridge between kaoru and risako, especially for the latter.
Personally I see the manga evolving on the evolutions of kaoru and uta each on their own, how they will solve their respective problems and find some kind of peace. For the moment we are on kaoru but the author will do the same thing with uta.
Once all this is over, they will find each other again, not necessarily for love but to find each other soothed about their family problems.

So those who think that reichii and risako don't cheat towards kaoru then why reii lie to kaoru by telling her that he is prolonging his work and he sleeps or during this time there? at the hotel? at the Hospital he is on a phone call with risako and he blames himself by saying "but what are you doing!", that risako says she has never seen again since her marriage....
If they don't cheat then they lie to her shamefully and why?
There is clearly a hidden objective at risako but we don't really know what else.

You are for some people really too scornful towards kaoru just because she didn't say yes to uta.... It has never been the bad girl in the story, if uta could be the person she is it is because of the attention and affection that kaoru gave her...
Now like you, she irritates me on many points, but here too you don't take the necessary distance on her personality, she is kind and submissive towards her relatives, she wants her entourage to be happy and that's enough for her to be satisfied. He is a person like there are in real life.
Now we clearly feel a shift in the way she manages her emotions, she is starting to show others that she is suspicious and that she suspects them... which is a huge change at her level.
It is clear that the next step is to finally make some radical decisions because, as she says, she will not accept a single deviation from the people close to her, and that means reiichi and risako.
It didn't end between her and uta, the many memories or observations she makes on uta prove it and it's still fresh, she'll inevitably miss it more and more, it's inevitable.
The problem for some people is that it doesn't go fast enough and now I understood that the author will take all his time and that this story will last a long time, so that the evolution of the characters are realistic and not hyper speed.

I think we're on a kaoru bow and then we're going to move on to uta (and I don't think it'll be a joy for her either at her mother's house), the author will let us separate one of them for a while, each one evolving on her side to necessarily have a reunion one day or the other for some reasons...

It smells like a hot relationship when you come home ^^ jealous and envious is mixed up.
On the other hand, that some people are surprised by the mother's reaction when since the beginning of the manga they have been flirting I don't really see why, there is no off-topic here from the author, it's a new step (sexual or not).

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i honestly don't pick that up at all. Just because one is related by blood doesn't make it a healthy or loving connection. Asahi was broken by his experiences with his dad, and basically 'worshiped' an ideal life of him, his sister, and his mother, his sister attaining a similar purity to Taiyou's ideal of her. This is a big reason she says she is dirty to Taiyou; she's rejecting that role. So of course she rejects her brother. That's also why she sees a younger version of him clinging to the real him; he's basically slowly became another variant of their father.

While Sato did bad things, she really didn't do any of them in front of Shio. Even when Sato admitted to doing bad things, she still worked at protecting Shio. And Shio got a form of love and affection that Sato never learned. i see it as Shio taking the best parts of her relationship with Sato, and learning to live for herself, not to be an idol, or represent purity, or as a burden to others.

Swear ta gods, feels like i'm the only one seeing this from a survivor mindset, having been in similar situations (though not to the extremes of this manga).

I think that seen as the author wrote the manga you can remove all kind of positivity and evolution for this poor girl... If we follow the guiding line of the story she will remain locked in her vision that she is now one with sato... she rejects any return to the past, her brother ,her mother and especially her unconditional love to sato.

Manga filled with psychopath who created an unhealthy atmosphere, and for that it was successful.
For the rest, a 5 year old girl decides not to come back to her family and manages to turn on her own? it's a fiction ok but well....
Sato really deserved her death, a happy ending would have been too beautiful for her

Yes, the kaoru / mask couple is clearly the one who denotes in relation to the others.
On the one hand, we have the most powerful seductress who literally fell in love and confessed to her and, on the other hand, a cold girl who rejects her (for the moment), it is the only potential couple in the manga who is in this situation.