You sure are funny, there are a lot of contries who enslave others humans, but they won't say that to the world ofc. please inform yourself before saying such a thing.
You have just said it, according TO HUMANS LAWS. HUMANS AREN'T GODS who have the right to decide of how others species have to live. Though they want to be, want to control others everything and animals.
Please reread what I wrote ealier.
Humans laws should apply only to humans not others species.

Yes, forced labor is still legal in many countries, usually as the punishment for a crime. And some degree of slavery exists illegally in the form of human trafficking or indentured servitude. Neither of those things applies at all to Mel's situation. Plus they aren't the same as chattel slavery.

And yes, I go by human laws and human definitions. Humans are the only animals that have laws and the power to enforce them. Maybe you disagree with that and think it's wrong, but that's just the way it is. Let me know when dogs or monkeys or whatever establish their own rule of law and gain the ability to enforce it.

Just to toss in 2 cent though I dunno what the whole convo is. Some animals do have laws and enforce them. Crows and ravens even have what is called a crows court where they punish other crows who commit crimes like stealing food from younger crows. At times even with a sentence of death where they will gang up and kill the offending crow.

Gushing about the episode every week might get a bit repetitive, so let's sum up the bad parts!
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I mean... They kinda stretched the investigation into Touko's sister a bit... which gave it more weight that she was hiding it... which is an inoffensive and ostensibly good addition...?

Yeah, no, this anime rocks. Can't even pretend to find flaws. (not so flawless on the subs though)

Alright... in that scene where Sayaka and Yuu had that little talk, I must admit Sayaka sounded much less friendly than I remember it being in my head while reading the manga.

I dunno how well you can read the mood, but the manga didn't portray it as a friendly chat either. Sayaka was quite antagonistic.

Sayaka is basically staking her territory to someone that she views as an encroaching rival, but she's also trying to persuade her to be helpful and cooperative, so it's a pretty complex scene. I think it was handled pretty excellently.

At this pace, I feel like the season is structured to reach it's climax with the showing of the play. They'll probably tighten up the preparations so that the plot of the play itself is more of a surprise to the viewer? We've got what, six episodes left? So sports festival, training camp, Aquarium date, culture festival prep, and then the play is spread over the last two, probably, with maybe the last half of the last episode about Yuu building towards confessing, ending on a hopeful note.

I really won't be surprised if they skip over the training camp. While a fun part for reads it doesn't have much impact on the over all story compared to other stuff.

I do think the character art could been better and not so separated in style from the backgrounds though it did feel like it improved some in the last episode.

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^^ Well, I don't even look at the subs most of the time, but the few times I did they seemed relatively accurate, at least to the idea.

About the "creepy" aspect, it's just the whole "Stay unable to love so that I can use you as a comfort pillow" thing. The VA's delivery might have something to do with it too.

I was wondering if somebody actually wrote the text on Koyomi's novel or if it was just gibberish.

Someone said from skimming over it that it appeared to be a story. Apparently the manga author had a hand in the anime and wrote the novel pages and letter for the anime.

Well for a good while Sayaka saw Yuu as a threat as someone who she perceived as stepping into her sole territory with Touko. I can't remember clearly but it might not not been till Yuu approached Sayaka and they had their verbal battle at the restaurant that Yuu earned her respect. Then Sayaka started to become more willing to accept things and view Yuu being there as possibly a good thing.

I am aware. Yuu was in Touko's way, so Sayaka anatgonized her. I was just reminding BV that it was always like this, even when he read the manga.

Unfortunately we are losing stuff due to the poor quality of the official subs. I saw screenshot comparing a fansub and the official subs and the fan subs almost matched what is said in the manga while the official sub was completely out there.

It's not generally that bad, they always get the message across more or less. Literalism isn't exactly necessary at all times.
An example that stood out to me was (paraphrased):
Manga: "I wish I could think of her as cute."
Subs: "I wish I could look at her the way she looks at me."

Now those sound very different, but they are essentially very similar. Because the entire scene implies that Touko looks at Yuu affectionately and Yuu wishes she could do the same back. Her wish to fall in love with Touko is basically set up here.

These kinds of translations convey more the idea than the literal thing being said. It's irksome if you know the original line, but I don't feel the subs are misguiding newcomers exactly. If there is a really egrigous alteration, may you give an example, because I didn't notice one. (I still think the sub is subpar for altering so much tho)

Eh, I actually suggested something like this at one point, but I feel like the chance for something like this was predicated on Sayaka confessing first. Now that Yuu beat her to it, I can't see Touko accepting Sayaka's feelings. She knows she wants to be with Yuu, and she knows how accepting anybody else's confession after turning down Yuu would hurt the person she loves. I just can't see any possible way Touko could end up even temporarily with Sayaka at this point.

Does she now? Does she really know she wants to be with Yuu? Because that seems to be the issue right now. She subconsciously yearns for Yuu, but her mind doesn't accept that she needs her/wants to be with her anymore after the confession.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate with that, of course I don't want it to happen. I prefer good writing. lol

https://i.imgur.com/EOURWcw.jpg Left being the fan sub while right is official.

Alright, okay, let's do a thought experiment. Just a little what-if, entertaining the most unlikely scenario. Let's assume Nakatani Nio loses her mind or some pushy Editor says "We need to stretch this out at all costs, so we can have a second anime season!" or something like that.

A possible way to drag out the plot that is not completely outrageous could be that Sayaka confesses during the school trip, but, now hear me out, Touko is in a pretty confused and depressed state. She can't make head or tails of her situation. If Sayaka confesses and Touko asks since when she has been hiding this and Sayaka says for a while or whatever, then Touko will see it as an echo of how she hurt Yuu. But unlike Yuu, Sayaka is not afraid to face her and even says she will accept a rejection.

Now Touko always appreciated how Sayaka doesn't pressure her and let her keep secrets, but she also realizes that Sayaka actually saw through her. Sayaka knows that Touko is changing and would actively support this. Where Sayaka keeps a strong front and keeps pushing, Yuu retreated out of consideration and denial.

In this scenario there is a possibility that Touko might accept the proposal of going out with Sayaka, to see where she really stands. She is close to Sayaka, but didn't tie her down like she did Yuu. She might not feel romantically for her (yet), but she wants to know if this current her can actually even feel like that anyway. Sayaka's love is passive, but straightforward, unlike Yuu's which has been painful and indecisive.

Now, obviously I am not saying this would lead to a Touko x Sayaka endgame. That is literally impossible for this story and I won't play devil's advocate for that. Still, if they started dating for these improper reasons, it will lead to Touko slowly realizing that it is different from what she feels for Yuu and that the love of a partner is not harmful. Yuu will obviously get hurt in the process from seeing that and has to deal with shutting her feelings down harder than before, but now that she actually knows what love feels like, she also feels heartbreak all the more. Jealousy and all those emotions she never had.

Ultimately it will end with Sayaka giving Touko the push to ask Yuu for forgiveness and mend their relationship, because she is sympathetic like that and doesn't want to live a farce.

I think this kind of arc is not unfeasible, but still highly unlikely.

PS: Don't make fanfiction of this, even Nakatani Nio can barely make this work. lol

Eh, I actually suggested something like this at one point, but I feel like the chance for something like this was predicated on Sayaka confessing first. Now that Yuu beat her to it, I can't see Touko accepting Sayaka's feelings. She knows she wants to be with Yuu, and she knows how accepting anybody else's confession after turning down Yuu would hurt the person she loves. I just can't see any possible way Touko could end up even temporarily with Sayaka at this point.

Worrying thing is how often has this series already done the thing people didn't see coming and gone in a direction with things that people didn't expect it to go?

God, that post-credit scene… Even knowing she had no ill-intentions, Touko sounded almost creepy there. And selfish, which… is pretty much the cause of the current mess in the manga.

Unfortunately we are losing stuff due to the poor quality of the official subs. I saw screenshot comparing a fansub and the official subs and the fan subs almost matched what is said in the manga while the official sub was completely out there.

Gushing about the episode every week might get a bit repetitive, so let's sum up the bad parts!
........
.....
I mean... They kinda stretched the investigation into Touko's sister a bit... which gave it more weight that she was hiding it... which is an inoffensive and ostensibly good addition...?

Yeah, no, this anime rocks. Can't even pretend to find flaws. (not so flawless on the subs though)

Alright... in that scene where Sayaka and Yuu had that little talk, I must admit Sayaka sounded much less friendly than I remember it being in my head while reading the manga.

I dunno how well you can read the mood, but the manga didn't portray it as a friendly chat either. Sayaka was quite antagonistic.

Well for a good while Sayaka saw Yuu as a threat as someone who she perceived as stepping into her sole territory with Touko. I can't remember clearly but it might not not been till Yuu approached Sayaka and they had their verbal battle at the restaurant that Yuu earned her respect. Then Sayaka started to become more willing to accept things and view Yuu being there as possibly a good thing.

Somehow the latest parts of the A Room for Two forums became the early parts of the Bloom into You forums..

So that's why harems don't get just solved immediately, because of god. Makes sense.
This was a fun reading.

But what if the protag is the god?

What is with yuri stories and there being interludes after the big confession. It's like the mangaka goes "ooo! I got 'em hooked, so I can make more money dragging this out a bit without worry!"

My favorite is when the girls are constantly about to kiss but they keep getting interrupted so the manga can be delayed further. This has nothing to do with Bloom Into You, just yuri in general.

The mangaka don't make these decisions on their own, they're often mandated by the publisher. Periodic manga are a unique challenge to write because very often the mangaka can't know how much time they will get to tell the story. It's completely different to, say, writing a novel, where the writer can know how many words the story can be from the start, and can plan out everything accordingly. Periodic manga generally follow the "strike it while it's hot" model, where it has to keep running as long as it's successful, and if the author concludes a story while the manga's still selling well, they might have to make a sequel.

That said, I found the post-confession chapters good so far. Yuu confessed, and now both her and Touko are dealing with the fallout. This is standard for drama. As for the Sayaka chapter, this one is especially important because Sayaka finally decided to confess. Not only is that a huge thing by itself, but! Since this decision seems like the beginning of the end for Sayaka's character arc, it is an event that, just like Yuu's confession, signals the conclusion to be the horizon, that we have entered the final act of the story. That is, if the manga ends shortly after the Yuu x Touko conflict is resolved.

This seems to be the case with the manga Horimiya. It seems like they didn't expect the manga to be as successful as it was so the manga was just sticking to the main plot. Though the series was successful but a problem was it had a set ending since it had a original source web comic it was retelling. Now though instead of sticking to the main story that would probably ended by now instead for the last couple years they have been using almost exclusively omake that were written after the main story finish and have no effect on the actual story. This has been hurting the series popularity as it is just dragging down the series as it drags out the story for a obvious money grab.

The anime is explaining things. :)

That being said, we're only mere hours before the next episode.

It's already out in Japanese.

It has already been out for a couple hours in the US also thanks to daylight savings time.

Now, I now that what I'm about to say is highly debatable (I mean, at the current situation, everything is) but I honestly wouldn't be surprised that, if Rei (Yuu's sister) gets involved, that her boyfriend, Hiro, might at the very least tag along with her on that.

He hasn't had any relevance in the story yet and has no real place in that conversation, even Doujima is more likely than Hiro tbh.

WHY?

I honestly think Doujima is meant to end up with Yuu's friend on the basketball team who had a crush on her senpai on the team that she followed to that school. They have a whole kind of love hate dynamic going and him comforting her when she found out the guys she was crushing on was secretly in a relationship was a real bonding moment for them.

That being his whole place in the series.

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I can't tell, if there is actual romantic tension between Kasumi and Sakurako, or I'm just looking through my yuri goggles, and seeing what I want to see.

I think what is throwing people off is they are a yuri couple who has adopted a very traditional japanese het type of relationship. Kasumi being the working husband who buys their wife things she wants or needs ( like the oven thing for Sakurako birthday that she wanted and Kasumi bought Sakurako her phone.) and comforts her and Sakurako is the traditional housewife taking care of the home and her husband's needs.

Apparently there is a earlier version of the series that was full yuri but the publishers for this version at least initially didn't want it to be a actual yuri series. Though it seems that no longer holds true as the author is working it more and more to being a yuri series.

Sakurako is pretty much open about her feelings towards Kasumi and that she is a lesbian as she has also shown a attraction towards other women besides Kasumi though not romantic feelings. Kasumi has shown she has feelings for Sakurako at various times though on a more subdued level.

The Kohai pair is gay, but Sakurako and Kasumi outgay them in every possible way

They pretty much out gay every lesbian pair no matter what series it is.

Agree 1000000%. They unconsciously do gay things without ever worrying about “but we’re both girls, it’s weird.” No one could possibly outgay Sakurako and Kasumi, but I’d say Nanofate and Chidori/Nanoha are on par with them

Well hell, They have a more intimate relationship than a lot of official couples in other series. They sleep together they take baths together they are very physical with each other touching or cuddling up. Kasumi evan walks around their place naked like its a normal thing.

It kind of feels like people have been disregarding Sayaka inturition. She almost immediately picked up on that the teacher and cafe manager were a couple. She pretty quickly picked up on there was something different between Toukos relationship with Yuu and came to highly suspect they were in a relationship and tried to seek confirmation repeatedly. The only thing that has held her back is her own half heated self denial of what she realized is going on only because of her own feelings what what it would mean for them. Though it did seem like she moved fairly quickly past that denial at least in part and accepted there is a relationship going on between Yuu and Touko in some form and even recognized Yuu as her rival for Touko. She just doesn't know how serious that relationship already is.

I just realized something rereading ch 34. Just before Yuu confesses she thinks to herself that she hopes Touko will keep changing but then on the other side after Yuu confesses Touko thinks to herself that she is afraid to be loved because it means they will stop loving her if she changes. Both thinking the opposite what all could be fixed with just a couple words of Yuu saying she hopes Touko keeps changing.

There has been nothing of Sayaka being shown that she is the kind of person to do somethng underhanded like try snake Touko away when there is discord between the two. Not to mention it would be making Touko do to Yuu the same thing basically done to herself in middle school.

I don't understand why it's underhanded to just confess to someone. It's not like Touko is seeing anyone. Not even unofficially at this point. Yuu hasn't even told Sayaka she's been involved with Touko, even when she asked about it directly. And not only that, but Sayaka even told Yuu she loves Touko and of course because of that might tell her someday. Sayaka has already done everything right and then some.

Underhanded as in she wouldn't choose now to confess just because she saw there was discord between Touko and Yuu. Her confessing in itself is nothing wrong. It is her reasons for confessing now what would be out of character if she chose now because she saw her best friend was having trouble with the girl she highly expects she is in some kind of relationship with. Even if she doesn't know how deep it is.

I basically said it earlier in a spoiler before the chapter was posted to dynasty. I really think Sayaka is gonna be used as the catalyst to make Touko get her head on straight and go fix things with Yuu. She will probab;y confess but in a way where she is expecting rejection or maybe even rejects herself and uses her confession to tell Touko that she needs to go fix things with Yuu giving Touko that push. This giving Sayaka closure while at the same time preserving her friendship with Touko. There has been nothing of Sayaka being shown that she is the kind of person to do somethng underhanded like try snake Touko away when there is discord between the two. Not to mention it would be making Touko do to Yuu the same thing basically done to herself in middle school.

I'm really wanting to see what sentai is gonna do about their screw up with names in the dubs with what is most likely coming up in the next couple episodes of the anime.

Yuu x Sayaka endgame leggo

Makes sense.

Sayaka confesses to Touko. Touko as expected turns her down. Sayaka is sad.
But it gets Touko thinking and re-examining what she's doing. She returns to Yuu, apologizing and wanting to give their relationship a try. But Yuu feels Touko just isn't ready for a relationship, that she's just clinging to the idea now that both her most important friendships are failing, and turns her down. Now everyone is sad.

Sayaka and Yuu meet and commiserate over Touko being an idiot. They start drinking, things happen; a week later they wake from their week-long drunken binge to find they had flown to Las Vegas and gotten married.

The End.

There is a Maria Watches Over Us fanfiction that basically has this plot with Yumi and Sei.

So I just noticed something. There is a big problem with the Dub version of the anime. They localized it to using first names. Problem is the series has two specific chapter 11 and 12 about them switching to using first names along with people making a issue of it.

Typical… I hate translators who do that. It's such a pointless adaptation to make… It's not even like first/last-name basis is something completely foreign to Westerners. Back in middle school, me and my friends routinely called each other by our last names…

Yep and they are gonna have go back and redo the dubs otherwise they are gonna have a big discrepancy somewhere in the next couple of episodes unless the anime skips over those parts of the chapter what is something so far the anime hasn't been really doing. They basically changed all the times Yuu called Touko senpai to Yuu just saying her first name with no honorifics.

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but she is now of all times thinking it is the right time to confess even though she also knows there is something wrong with Touko and Yuu right now and it is having a negative impact on Touko. This is like the worst timing to do it unless she is looking to try and sneak in there when there is discord between Yuu and Touko what really doesn't seem like her way of doing things.

LOL. I agree, It's not her way. Sayaka won't stoop that low.

This is what I understood from the new chapter. However, from the cafe scene when they get interrupted, Sayaka may still have reservations on confessing. Unfortunately, they were interrupted and Sayaka never finished her thought. So, we don't know if the "but..." means she suspects something between Touko and Yuu, or something along the lines of Touko not into girls. But, this is just me conjecturing an obvious question.

I want to think, Her "but..." means Touko might interested with someone else. Perhaps, at the back of her mind, it's Yuu. Well, it's not the first time she suspects the closeness between Touko and Yuu. But because of her feelings, she chose to settle that it might be just Touko enjoying having a kouhai. And Touko never entertained any romantic feelings to anyone.

Anyway, I'll share this. Someone translated the interview of Sayaka's VA. It's a nice read.
https://seiyuuplus.wordpress.com/2018/11/05/195-yagate-kimi-ni-naru-kayano-ai/

Later on when Sayaka is home she straight out questioned to herself if Yuu and Touko was in a relationship but ended up somewhat half heartedly denying it to herself because what it would mean for her own feelings and I think the fact she let the chance slip by. Though then it seems like she starts to accept it as more a possibility and comes to terms with it but isn't ready to give up on her own feelings. For her it is a bittersweet situation in that she finds out Touko is attracted to girls but at the same time it is a different girl Touko is interested in. It might be things being setup that she is planning to confess but in a way that she expects to be turned down and instead doing it to help Touko as a means to then tell Touko to get her head on straight and go fix things with Yuu and tell her how she feels. The alternative is so underhanded that it just doesn't seem like something Sayaka would do.

I think around 9 months ago the person doing the uploading changed and they are prioritizing dex over dynasty. At least the person who is listed as the uploader on dex changed and that is around when dex started getting the translations first.

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I think the chapter 36, is like semi-intro since Sayaka is having spin-off story that would be released on November 10. Though, it seems her story will be told from while she’s in middle school and maybe high school where she met Touko.

Anyway, like what I said in my other comment outside dynasty, Sayaka. I love you, you’re the good girl. There’s no wrong having hope, but it’s clear Touko’s not into you. She cared for you for sure, coz you’re the best friend. Try looking elsewhere. You really deserve someone who can love you back. Seeing Touko change, is not guranteed she’ll feel the same for you. Though, I’m fine you if you confess, it’s been hard for you keeping that feelings and stays beside her. Moving on without telling what you feel is twice as hurt than keeping it.

Here's the thing. She knows there has been something going on between Touko and Yuu and knows it is more than just normal friends or senpai/kohai relationship. She doesn't know to what degree exactly but she is now of all times thinking it is the right time to confess even though she also knows there is something wrong with Touko and Yuu right now and it is having a negative impact on Touko. This is like the worst timing to do it unless she is looking to try and sneak in there when there is discord between Yuu and Touko what really doesn't seem like her way of doing things.

So I just noticed something. There is a big problem with the Dub version of the anime. They localized it to using first names. Problem is the series has two specific chapter 11 and 12 about them switching to using first names along with people making a issue of it.

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LBH, the first chapter is completely relatable to us anime and manga fans, liking a niche category hiding out passions and being happy when someone finally accepts it and you can talk to them about it, especially for us doujinshi, especially yuri doujinshi fans.

I'm a huge yuri fan, not just with manga, but novels fanfiction, shows, films, you name it. I literally have about a hundred novel length lesbian fanfiction epubs on my phone right now that I listen to via TTS all day long at work. I've been into yuri for like 15 years.

NOBODY KNOWS.

You know of any good sites for it? I'm really into the Maria Watches Over Us stuff but www.fanfiction.net is the only site I found with a proper categorized collect. I've read so many on it though that I'm running out of ones in the categories I prefer.

archiveofourown.org is the other big site and it has a much better/more powerful search and tag system. I use both. Right now I've been going through Twilight fanfiction, which I found to be an unexpected TROVE of lesbian pairings. I was never even able to make it through the first book, but now I'm glad Twilight exists lol.

Thank you, Sadly looks like they only got 64 Maria stories.

LBH, the first chapter is completely relatable to us anime and manga fans, liking a niche category hiding out passions and being happy when someone finally accepts it and you can talk to them about it, especially for us doujinshi, especially yuri doujinshi fans.

I'm a huge yuri fan, not just with manga, but novels fanfiction, shows, films, you name it. I literally have about a hundred novel length lesbian fanfiction epubs on my phone right now that I listen to via TTS all day long at work. I've been into yuri for like 15 years.

NOBODY KNOWS.

You know of any good sites for it? I'm really into the Maria Watches Over Us stuff but www.fanfiction.net is the only site I found with a proper categorized collect. I've read so many on it though that I'm running out of ones in the categories I prefer.