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Image Comments 23 Oct 23:44
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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Hearing out-of-character Kiara get really excited (and maybe crying?) when she heard Calli considers her a “best friend” was so heartwarming.

last edited at Oct 24, 2020 1:27AM

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I absolutely love the MC, she totally has Malori vibes (Mage and Demon Queen)

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Obviously Shiine’s love is genuine, she’s constantly trying to better herself for Ichika and put Ichika’s needs before her own, but I find it interesting that it’s portrayed more as a physical attraction rather than an emotional connection.

Maybe I’m just reading too deep into it

Actually, I think you’re really on to something. I think they’re not understanding their feelings well, because they went from friends to “friends who kiss” (and do a lot more... hoo boy ch. 6.5), so there’s a very physical element to their relationship, and that’s within the bounds of what they feel “allowed” to have. They both have a deep affection, a love even, for one another as well, but there’s a combination of not understanding that’s what’s up and a perceived boundary within their connection that precludes such feelings, which is I think why they don’t face them head-on.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Wow what a complete waste of time I spent reading this for the past 4 years.

The fact that the last page says "Thank you all for reading these past four years!!" simultaneously angers me and makes me want to laugh. The absolute audacity of acknowledging how long the author's kept us on tenterhooks, when this is that final resolution, I feels like tMnR just stole my lunch money.

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Age 15 discussion 22 Oct 17:49
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I think I see this story as one that’s gripping, messy, and hard to pin down, which is really engaging in its moment-to-moment beats, but it can’t hold longer-range ideas or structures so it doesn’t really do anything beyond that. I think there is room for such stories, though.

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Age 15 discussion 22 Oct 17:47
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

With that in mind, maybe the story’s directionless, un-trackable quality is a product of making a story like a messy situation in life, where things just happen and you can’t get enough perspective to parse and track them. I don’t know if that was really successfully achieved; I don’t think the author knew really how to get out of the mess they’d made and reach the desired final position, hence the ending being rushed.

Another point against intentionally-constructed chaos—I feel like we were supposed to understand something about Miku (and especially Yoshino) that never coalesced. They felt at time like animated plot points, doing things that messed with Anna or Ema without a really convincing motivating factor beyond what would make the story more messy. Their unexplainable pivot at the end into a relationship with one another further broke any sense of them as people—they were like tools or puppets being shuffled away so the ending could happen.

And lastly, there seems to be a patchwork character arc with Anna viewing herself as becoming corrupted that A) didn’t make emotional sense to me because we got little to no background on it—it seemed to come out of nowhere, and the beliefs that led to it were never mentioned or addressed (are we supposed to believe sexual attraction between women is this?) and B) was sort of unexplored and went unmentioned except as something that would make her be messy in her relationships. When she said she “didn’t want to dirty Ema-san” I was like, “literally what the fuck are you talking about.”

Speaking of Ema—who is she??? What are we supposed to think about her? What is her personality supposed to be? I actually still don’t know. Normally I’m pretty much aight with age stuff happening in manga because it’s usually just a coloring element of the story, but here we don’t know enough for me to form an opinion. They didn’t settle into the, “this is pure and wholesome, the fact that Anna is a dependent is just part of the moe” nor “this is fukt and we have to address that” nor “the younger one is super mature, and the older is immature, so they actually match,”—it was just this sort if morass where things clearly weren’t being addressed with realism, but we also weren’t being told how to understand them in this fictional context either. Which, together with the messiness, left me feeling kind of icky.

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Age 15 discussion 22 Oct 17:29
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

i feel like this manga was trying to be deep, and say something profound, but never really said anything at all

Yeah. The author’s writing really made you want to know how things would turn out, but it doesn’t feel like they understood people and emotions well enough for readers to really draw a line or a takeaway from what was going on. It sort of feels like, “a bunch of stuff that happened,” and it can’t really be tracked.

On the other hand, the stuff the girl at their new school said about yuri and the response about rafflesia (the intense-smelling “corpse flower”) kinda stuck with me. I think the story could be read as saying, “love between women is not necessarily heathy or pure. It can be messy, lustful, sticky, unhealthy, resolved, etc. and it doesn’t always make a nice pretty story.” In that sense I can kinda see it as criticizing and breaking this frozen image of yuri and its relationship to actually WLW relationships.

With that in mind, maybe the story’s directionless, un-trackable quality is a product of making a story like a messy situation in life, where things just happen and you can’t get enough perspective to parse and track them. I don’t know if that was really successfully achieved; I don’t think the author knew really how to get out of the mess they’d made and reach the desired final position, hence the ending being rushed.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

What an ending, it took a lot of chutzpah to write something like that after putting fans through the whole rest of the story.

This chapter deserves a bruh moment tag

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I absolutely agree. I also love [CRITICAL SPOILERS]

You have to use two of == to black out the text, if that was your intention.

I am the fucking dumb. I specifically went and read the format post and then messed this up. It is now fixed.

last edited at Oct 22, 2020 3:53AM

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

That was hot as fuck. Asuka has unlimited power bottom energy. I need to sit down after that.

biting is also objectively the best peripheral tag, and if you disagree you need to take a second and imagine someone leaving visible teeth marks on you so that you realize you actually agree.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I started reading the webnovel for the yuri, but Rei was what really made it work for me. Her relationship with Claire is fine- nothing groundbreaking, typical long-term reward fluffy tsundere conquering- but I feel like the webnovel's best parts are when Rei just takes some time to sit down and introspect about class politics, social norms and her own identity within a new world. The author could've just written a 100% yuri version of Bakarina and the fans would've lapped it up, but there's so much more that this story has to offer. It's very willing to examine its own tropes and talk about real-world issues both within and beyond the lens of a fantasy setting, and Rei is honestly one of the best takes on your standard otome isekai protagonist I've ever seen (and not just because she's gay). I'm loving the manga so far, and I hope it doesn't cut out the more introspective and personal sections like so many LN adaptations often do.

I absolutely agree. I also love [CRITICAL SPOILERS] the places where genre is broken, and Rei gets called the fuck out for acting like an anime character/gag character to hide her feelings. Their relationship is largely unsatisfying, but the LN as a whole feels like a breath of fresh air, stepping outside of typical Japanese media frameworks and genre tropes to hit you with some insightful realness. [vague-allusion-to-future-event spoiler] They touch on trans people!! In a good and positive way!!! I was like, "holy shit this is crazy, I didn't expect that at all!"

Everybody who likes this at all should for sure read/buy the WN/LN. It's really good, not just as a yuri fan, and it has an awareness that I would describe as queer and up to date, not just a yuri-genre thing.

last edited at Oct 22, 2020 3:52AM

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

It makes me sad to see strife like this when people are talking about something so important and personal, so I’d like to lend a voice in a way that is not attacking anyone. I hope to address some of the talk been going on, as well as the manga itself.

First, I want to clarify for the sake of knowing where I’m coming from that I am a trans woman; obviously that doesn’t tell you everything my experience and perspective, but I hope it does frame my point of view.

So. I really don’t think the Internet, and especially forums, are the place have important discussions, and I almost never think that coming at people is effective or appropriate. I think the big problem, in the end, is that people have different frameworks, and if you approach them working entirely under the assumptions of your own frameworks and theirs are very different, it’ll just create argument—you’re not even really talking about the same things. Arguing about frameworks, coming at people for having different frameworks, is nearly always counterproductive. And sometimes we won’t agree, and that can be okay. To me it’s about promoting reasonable, complete understandings of what we know together with kindness towards people—that’s generative, and helps everyone who’s willing to consider new perspectives, take in knew information, and improve their frameworks.

I won’t implicate myself into the ongoing argument, except to say this; to me the manga seems on the whole to be a relatively good-natured and interesting exploration of gender roles, gendered expectations, and sexuality, and how all those things work together. I really like that part about it, and to me it makes sense that we’re seeing in our main character a mindset of rigid and distinct gendered understandings be thrust into confusion and distress through confrontation with modes of gender he doesn’t understand. The main “femboy” is different from the dismissive bait I often see, having their own maturity, wisdom, and perspective that lets them challenge and productively tease the MC about his gender in ways that the passive fetishistic gender-toys of other shows do not. At the same time, I also think that some of the frameworks that I perceive in the manga support notions I consider unkind; most prominently, the idea that crossdressers who pass more are more valid and to be considered more as women is inaccurate and unkind because of how it reinforces links between gender and beauty standards. In truth, many people who don’t pass in a conventionally attractive way can give off very femme vibes and be feminine or womanly in ways that people around them will receive—perhaps one’s immediate judgement will be different, but spending time with or interacting with such people will leave a different impression, I assure you. Even just putting on a skirt or something can change how someone carries themself and their vibe. I can understand that a focus on non-passing crossdressers may not be a part of the author’s aims, and they do good work elsewhere, and also that leaving this unaddressed contributes to something harmful.

I hope that the brief account I gave properly represents my perspective that we can allow for things to be both bad and good in a work in terms of how they promote kindness and truthfulness, and that there is room for such an approach to appreciating and criticizing the work. I don’t receive this work to be transphobic as a whole, though some frameworks stand out that affect femmes in an adverse way. However, I also believe that the frequency and emotional intensity of people’s reactions to seeing AMAB femmes in anime and manga mean that there is something there to dig into that I don’t see, whether it’s a matter of tropes, individual works, cultural background, the English-speaking community’s treatment of such things, or something else. I believe there it also room for such a discussion, and that it could be productive.

Finally, I don’t want to make this as a call-out, but I feel compelled to say that calling people eggs should not be done. I think the “egg” framework and culture can be useful for helping trans people come to terms with our pasts, and “see” ourselves and evidence of our gender before we had figured it out in an affectionate, patient, and validating light that helps heal us from the notion that our validity requires knowing our gender from birth; however, I only think “egg” talk is productive when self-applied or mutually agreed-upon; otherwise, it is challenging or labeling others without their consent, which is not just bad in and of itself but also especially harmful to people who are harboring or dealing with gendery feelings; if I have hidden trans feelings from myself as a protective measure, someone trying to expose them or point them out will just make me work harder to bury them to keep myself safe. It is aggressive and counter-productive in its reception, even when well-meant. If you do want to engage, saying something like, “you know I felt similarly at one point, I felt like that a lot before I transitioned” or “Mmm, I can relate to that,” or something like that, is better. Whatever the deal is it’s their story, and your role is to offer help or goodwill if they wish to take it, not to try to write on the next page.

So yeah. Text wall. But I hope people receive some value from this, and once again, I’m not trying to say that anyone’s feelings or perspective are wrong, or to call anyone out.

last edited at Oct 21, 2020 8:28PM

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Gahhh, how does this artist draw both cute women and handsome women so well??

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Image Comments 19 Oct 22:05
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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^That shit is crazy, if you haven’t watched it you definitely should. They’re actually girlfriends IRL too, shit went down.

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Image Comments 19 Oct 22:02
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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Based Konbu Based Konbu

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Image Comments 19 Oct 22:00
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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Cuuute. She looked kinda lonely during Collab 6, when Kiara was off doing other things. And you can hear how much affection Calli has for her in little moments, like the “look at her go!” thing. I wasn’t about the ship before but I’m definitely warming to it!

I hope Calli gets to connect a little more with the rest of HoloEN, she still feels distant sometimes and I hope being so busy with music, her projects, and “reaping lessons” doesn’t stand in the way of just chilling and bonding with the rest of the members. I know how it’s like to feel that everyone else connected while you were busy, and I’m afraid to see that developing.

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

It has been lost to history

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

(Ch. 4) Ahhh, I forgot how much I love this series! The characters are so great, and they continue to get better. It looks like we won’t get as much depth in the manga as the LN, but it’s a joy to just be hanging out with them again nevertheless!

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

[Favoring of the villainess intensifies]

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Image Comments 17 Oct 00:44
Kiarabg
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Butts are god

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Image Comments 17 Oct 00:41
Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018
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THE RESURGENCE OF MIZULILLIE WILL SHAKE THE HEAVENS

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Btw, I also have a list of those manga myself, see: https://dynasty-scans.com/lists/262821-ara-ara-fufufu

Bless you traveler

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Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

Wat

“So yeah, I didn’t finish my doujin, sorry lads. But yeah, no, they’re still in there. Oh, I’m not continuing it, but yeah, they are now in this room forever.”

Also this is like one of the few Watamote doujin I’ve read which doesn’t feel like it could be part of Watamote, which I don’t know what that means.

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Image Comments 15 Oct 20:21
Kiarabg
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WE ARE RETURNING, NINTENDO HAS THROWN US A BONE AND WITH IT WE WILL CARVE MIZULILLIE INTO HISTORY!!!

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

I really love the angle we’re seeing here. Fundamentally it seems the story is about feeling alienated from your sense of self and happiness because others have decided (and frequently told you) that your body doesn’t fit your location within gender. Like what you want isn’t something that someone with your body gets to have. I actually think we don’t get that super often, at least from this direction. I mean yeah if you look at it just from a perspective of non-femme > femme it looks like a shitty trope, but like of course it does because you’re not including any of the other context.

Yes, the direction she’s going seems to be toward something more normative, but this is (at least to me) pretty clearly an example of someone healing from being precluded things that everyone else of your gender is just assumed to be able to have. Just as gender roles try to constrain how women are allowed to be, they also constrain who is allowed to be a woman, and I think that’s what we’re seeing here—the shitty idea that women are supposed to be small and weak is defended not just by degrading women when we try to be otherwise, but also excluding us from womanhood when we aren’t those things. The influence of patriarchy tries to reject counterexamples from both directions, because both show that the order and structure gender is constructed to provide are ultimately false, and reality is not so easily constrained into strict binaries.

I really fucking feel this as a trans woman, seeing some of my tall trans sisters wrestle deeply with feeling like they aren’t allowed to be femme or pretty—just as cis society tries to tell us we owe it femininity, it also tells us, especially tall or non-passing women, that they can’t have femininity. It’s a paradox meant to make us feel responsible for our own exclusion. Some of us aren’t femme, but we should have the fucking choice. Not being able to chose where you show up in gender always fucks you up.

Even when what society forces you to do aligns with what you want to do, it steals the agency and liberating self-expression that would come from a fully voluntary act of self-representation. We have high femme women in the lesbian community for a reason, and part of that reason is that wresting femininity away from the heteronormative patriarchy and claiming it for one’s own purposes is a powerful, transformative act. It says, “you don’t get to tell me whether or how I get to have these things, I decide that. I do not accept playing your game as a condition for having these things.”

So yes, I’m fucking hype for our protagonist learning how to break out of the negative bind of gender rolls, and I think it will be beautiful watching her learn that she gets to have her gender, and I strongly disagree with the perspective that she’s capitulating to the patriarchy. Capitulating would be letting yourself be erased, which is sort of what she has been doing, and I’m excited to watch her bloom into a gay ballroom femme.

last edited at Oct 15, 2020 8:19PM