From what we've seen, I get the impression that her relationship with her "sister" is more mutually violent, with them fighting a lot and being kind of numb to the violence, (it shows them getting into fights with each other and then just kind of forgetting about it) while the abuse of her foster parents was more one-sided and brutal and is likely what led to the injuries we saw at the beginning. (we're shown her bieng menaced at knife point by her foster dad, IIRC)

Your chronology's way off, the knife thing was her birth parents before the child protection folks took her away from them.

I don't think that's clearly laid out, but even if that was true, the first chapter clearly says she was beaten by her parent, who was drunk and belligerent. She also describes them as huffing fumes to get high, and we haven't seen any signs of addiction from Shizuku aside from cigarettes. All we ever saw from Shizuku was one sucker punch and a thrown ashtray, and in flashbacks it's implied each pretty much gave as good as they got from each other.

Not saying their relationship is healthy or non-abusive, but I seriously doubt Shizuku would or could ever put Minami in the hospital. and I'm willing to bet her injuries at the beginning were nothing to do with Shizuku.

Also, if she was the sort that was going to put Minami in the hospital over a one-night stand with Iori, I doubt she would have let her go sadly and largely without resistance when she insists on going back.

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Sayaka will confess. And maybe Touko will accept. This is... oh dear god...
Goddess bless Nakatani Nio.

I don't get how anybody reads this and thinks Touko might accept. I mean, you get that when Sayaka says "I feel like I have a chance", the fact that she feels that way doesn't make it TRUE, right?

Sayaka has picked up on the fact that Touko is moving into a place where she can accept someone's confession, sure. Sayaka's sharp, and she's not wrong about that.

That doesn't mean Touko would accept HERS. I mean, the narrative has been screaming SAYAKA IS OUT IN THE COLD since the start, and we know Touko is desperately pining for Yuu even though she's afraid to give herself over to that. Sayaka does not have a chance, guys. She thinks she does, but that's because she doesn't know the details about how Touko and Yuu feel. She knows something went down between them, but she doesn't know what. (that's contributing to her suspicion that she might have a chance, but again, she doesn't have all the information)

So, yeah. Sayaka is on a track to heartbreak city. Bet on it.

I really should've started reading this story when it first popped on my radar, rather than wait this long. Then I could've have joined whatever fun discussions that you've been having here, instead of skipping 20+ pages.

Eh, I think you might be better off in some cases.

What, did a big flame war erupt over something trivial that the mods had to crush with several bans?

Nothing that bad, just people complaining about things that I personally regard as trivial.

I realize her abusive best friend and parents would put this on the same wavelength

... I thought it was obvious when she referred to her best friend as "family" that her aforementioned "parents" abusing her was really a cover for her best friend doing so (for whatever reason; maybe she was upset at her staying over at another person's house without calling her?).

From what we've seen, I get the impression that her relationship with her "sister" is more mutually violent, with them fighting a lot and being kind of numb to the violence, (it shows them getting into fights with each other and then just kind of forgetting about it) while the abuse of her foster parents was more one-sided and brutal and is likely what led to the injuries we saw at the beginning. (we're shown her bieng menaced at knife point by her foster dad, IIRC)

But FOR ME the Mangaka is stretching it now to much......

It is ONE chapter focusing on THE MOST IMPORTANT side character.

Patience. You must learn patience!

(Edit: What's more, the resolution of Sayaka's personal arc is going to be integral, one way or another, to what Touko decides to do with Yuu. This is not stretching anything, this is build-up.

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So there have already been some good discussions of this. Here's my perspective on Sayaka. I think Sayaka knows that Touko has had a crush on Yuu. I think she doesn't know how Yuu feels about Touko. She asked her about it and didn't get an answer. She knows that Yuu respects and cares about Touko, but she doesn't know to what extent.

She's also aware that something has gone wrong. She might actually suspect that -Touko- confessed and got shot down. Either way, I agree with the perspective that she's picked up that Touko is closer to a place where she could accept someone's affections.

I wonder if Sayaka confessing would screw Touko up at this point. I mean, she's already feeling guilty as hell because she accidentally forced Yuu to bury and hide her feelings. How do you think she'd feel if she finds out it was happening to Sayaka too? And then she has to deal with having to turn one of them down while accepting the other? I don't think she could do it. She'd feel too guilty about Sayaka to court Yuu properly at that point, although I could be wrong.

I think the most likely course of events at this point would be that Touko admits her feelings for Yuu to Sayaka first, and Sayaka gives her the push back towards Yuu. I could see Sayaka confessing after that point, for closure, but if she confessed before Touko has made a decision, it'd turn the whole thing into a quagmire.

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Sorry but i dont really understand this Chapter. o.O Is the Mangaka now streching this Manga or why is it not focusing on the Main Chars anymore? im not Interessted in the Side Characters,,,,,,,,,,

Sayaka is one of the central cast and has been the focus of chapters before. She's Touko's best friend, is in love with her, and is Yuu's principle rival I don't think it's a diversion to focus on her POV for a chapter.

Iori's sister keeped calling Minami a man. Didn't she realise Minami was a woman? Or, was it just a generation, to lump Minami in with all Iori's exs?

She has not realized yet. Minami is not especially well-endowed in the chest area and the sister has not closely examined her. I'm eagerly waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I really should've started reading this story when it first popped on my radar, rather than wait this long. Then I could've have joined whatever fun discussions that you've been having here, instead of skipping 20+ pages.

Eh, I think you might be better off in some cases.

im not crying your crying shutup

I mean, Ayaka impersonated her dead sister and deceived Touka's girlfriend (it's confirmed their feelings were mutual, so I'm gonna just call them girlfriends) into thinking she was her, -apparently- explicitly as some kind of ill-defined revenge scheme that she couldn't quite commit to?

I mean, absent any other knowledge about her, that's fucked up, and it's more than enough of a reason to dislike somebody. ;p

I dunno, it's pretty common--at least a couple of people I started dating later switched out with their semi-evil twin.

I'm pretty sure, anyway.

Man, I hate when that happens.

If Touka didn't die I would like her to end up with Chitose but now that she is dead I want Chitose to end up with Rikako..I was really sad when I hear about Touka's past especially knowing that the reason she tried hard to survive was because of Chitose..Also, don't know why but I don't like her twin sister..

I mean, Ayaka impersonated her dead sister and deceived Touka's girlfriend (it's confirmed their feelings were mutual, so I'm gonna just call them girlfriends) into thinking she was her, -apparently- explicitly as some kind of ill-defined revenge scheme that she couldn't quite commit to?

I mean, absent any other knowledge about her, that's fucked up, and it's more than enough of a reason to dislike somebody. ;p

Wooo! Collectors is back!

u guys who can figure this out make me feel so stupid
esp withthe black and white pages

Never feel stupid just because someone else gets something you don't get. Everybody thinks a little differently, and some people are more accustomed to decoding symbolism or story structure than others. It's almost entirely about experience and reading history. The reason I come to these forums in the first place is because hopefully I can learn something new about the work, or that sharing my own thoughts will help someone else glean some extra meaning or interest from it. I'm wrong as often as I'm right, at least, but it's part of the fun of it for me.

So don't be down on yourself. ;p

Hey, compared to Black Lily and White Lily, this is like freakin’ Tolstoy or Virginia Woolf.

That doesn’t mean it’s good, of course—just compared to . . .

You're not wrong.

So we're confirmed that they're twins, and that she started growing her hair after Touka died, which pretty means that Ayaka has the fastest growing hair in history.

Also, evidently when going to the library daily to search for her loved one, Chitose walked RIGHT PAST her twin without recognizing her face.

And once again, we're left with a manga where nobody seems to respond to anything like a human being. (sigh) I feel like there's been a lot of that, lately. Also we're just blowing past the confession from Rikako, apparently.

I did kind of enjoy the bit where Chitose thought she was gonna get stabbed.

At the beginning of the next chapter, Ayaka's hair should be awful and lopsided, with Chitose apologizing because she doesn't actually know how to cut hair. ;p

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I'm so over the main gimmick but i adore boob-girl's blushes and squiggle mouth reactions. I'm in it mainly for that.

And I guess you read Playboy for the articles, hm?

d( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

Does that joke even work anymore? I mean, nowadays, internet porn is easy and ubiquitous, so if anybody reads Playboy, yeah, it probably would HAVE to be for the articles. ;p

Somehow I think the science of this is pure bullshit...

That's because, evidently, you have a functioning nose.

Like, crack a book, author. Or run a google search.

It isn't just the misunderstood mental illness, though. Nobody in this thing acts like a human being.

(gasp) He held the director's hand? SCANDALOUS!

There is one odd thing about this series, even in a world where girl-girl relationships where totaly normal, it's still a big decision to decide that one is not going to persue a life of building a family of one own and instead live a life of self gratification. Yet the notion seems to go completely silent in this series.

Nobody in this series is making long-term life decisions, so why would it come up? You've got a couple of helpless gay girls who are pining for their crushes and haven't thought beyond that, a terminally ill girl who has no life to pursue, a heartbroken little sister who doesn't know how to mourn, A doctor who sure as hell isn't going to give any shit to her dying patient or the girl that now has to mourn her, and a nurse that seems to be a blank and endless void bereft of anything resembling a personality.

Who's gonna comment on "hey, are you sure you don't wanna have kids some day?" under those circumstances?

Ouch.

I expected this when she woke up in the bathtub and didn't know why, but that was still unexpectedly brutal.

I actually feel the most sorry for Hiro, oddly enough. I think her feelings were real in high school, but they started drifting apart after she moved, as happens. Long distance relationships are hard. They had fallen out of contact for awhile, and Hiro probably thought they were over. At the very least, they are to her, though she still thinks favorably of Chiharu. She seems genuinely excited to see her at first, but switches to awkward and distant as soon as she realizes that she still considers them an item. She might even have moved on to dating Mao, but either way, she doesn't know how to handle it and responds poorly.

But then, this girl goes back home and accidentally drowns herself. I'm pretty sure the ocean promise was a dream (she seems to wonder about it in her drowsy stupor,) so all Hiro knows is she left Chiharu heartbroken, Chiharu went home, took sleeping pills, and got in the bathtub.

We see Chiharu's POV and the promise-dream, so we can be fairly sure she wasn't killing herself, but Hiro has no such reassurance. She must spend every day wondering, was it on purpose? Was it her fault? If she'd broken up properly sooner, or if she'd just behaved differently in that moment, would Chiharu still be alive? (Chiharu's mom is probably going through something similar.) That is some serious guilt to carry around.

Bruh wtf? Am I the only one who thought this was messed up?

That Youko chick first confesses to our fluffy portag in middleschool but then deflects her own comment by using her BS "But we're both girls" jutsu then she meets the fluffy in present time and is like "yo sup gimme relationship advice bro, haven't seen you in years but whatevs, lemme braid your frecken hair man"

And SHE'S INTO THE male but not really male, female version of the protag???? Really????? That's such a crappy thing to do!?? And our protag is just like "meh whatevs". Am I missing something?

Yae is really not like meh whatevs, she is super bothered by it, that why she said the very realistic but kinda shitty thing of "if you can't tell if it's love or not maybe it isn't" - not because she wanted to give her real advice but because she was pissed at this girl for now crushing on another girl when she was rejected back in middle school

It's totally fair, if my old friend from school who I was crushing on but was super straight turned out to be gay I would be also be like wtf are you kidding me

Also pairing that with the fact that the girl the old friend is crushing on is a "masculine" version of herself just makes things real complicated

Totally gonna be some drama down the road, I don't think Yae is completely over Youko yet, so things are gonna get i n t e r e s t i n g

I think it's important to point out that Youko never really got over Yae -either-. She was super perturbed when she found out Yae had a girlfriend. She was verbally supportive, but she was clearly upset the whole time. So she probably feels like Ayumi is a second chance to act on her true feelings for Yae. (That doesn't have to mean her feelings for Ayumi aren't real, mind you, after all Chitose was initially attracted to Yae because she looked like Ayumi.)

So the girl who broke Yae's heart, and left her questioning her gender identity, turned out to be into girls after all. I think if I were YaeI would be pissed.

Not so much questioning as resenting. Like she never seemed to think she -was- a boy, she just hated that she wasn't. But that's neither here nor there.

We kind of knew this, though. I mean, you could see the pain in her heart when she found out about Chitose, and it kind of gave the impression that the whole "but we're both girls!" thing was more of an autopilot response than an actual considered position.

Like, "Wait, you mean it's -actually- an -option-?"

And so she wanders off to crush on somebody that looks just like Yae HMMM.

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i think the ayu girl is chitose's first love who looks like yae?

Ayumi, and yeah, definitely. She thinks she's seen Chitose, and she's got the right name and appearance.

Looks more like a side couple with a side order of lingering resentment than a triangle of any sort.

Gotta be annoying for Yae. "What would change if I cut my hair and was more boyish?" "Oh, apparently I would have gotten to date my first love and spared myself some early heartbreak, because it isn't that she wasn't into girls, it's just that she likes the boyish type."

Still, Yae is exceptionally not boyish, so I don't think she could've pulled it off anyway, and Chitose loves her for who she is.

I'm 100% not worried about this development.

Yay, more Ootomo Megane!

This couple looks so much like Motoko & Keiko that is feels like I'm reading a prequel.

Isn't this the same Miyu from the third chapter there? So either Miyu and Aya break up, or Miyu and Ao never get together, depending on which one of these is chronologically first. (Or Miyu's actually a secret player)

(Oh, or maybe the "Too late" is because she's already got herself another girlfriend.)

With this author I have enough trouble keeping track of which character is which within an individual story and across connected stories in individual collections, let alone across all the different series. (A trait she has in common with another of my top-tier yuri mangaka, Takemiya Jin. Love them both, but sometimes my head hurts.)

Both of them could use one of Lyendith's superb organizational/character relationship charts.

Actually, with Takemiya Jin, they almost always -are- the same character if they have the same name. She loves her coupling crossovers.