Anonymous__

Hello, and thank you a lot for the informative reply.
first, I would like to thank you again on the time and effort you put in translating the chapters in like 40 minutes after their release, you are already very good. (insane in a good way XD)

Now, I think you read these threads , the tone and the choice of words is specifically important in this Manhwa as it gives a totally different feel to the situation. My problem with the translation is not only in the latest chapters but there are some disastrous mistakes in the earlier chapters, these mistakes shaped a totally different image of the situation and the characters. (take a look at the snaps I made in page 304 of this thread, please)

in ch65 for example, Sungji said: but everyone who liked me, left in the end
but, the unofficial one said: the person who liked me left in the end

while the official tells you: ah it's not only one person..
but the unofficial hints to you: ah, she is talking about Sumin only.

very small change.. but different perspective.
(the examples in page 304 of this thread are disastrous.. but thank God, it's not the case with the current work)

in ch78 <- I don't think this is your translation (the style and the level is different from the last chapter.)

in ch79 <- this one is good, my caveat tho is the choice of the Team Leader's gender, in this case it was much safer to choose a neutral way of talking about her/him.. in the official translation they used a neutral way.. this changes the whole thing (because now I'm even expecting a different thing totally)
if you are the one who made the translation of ch27 <- this one is a masterpiece, it even surpasses the original with the feelings it made.. and choices of words.

in ch80 <- translation of Seju's words on the Sofa also gave a different feeling and I think there was a switch of pronouns.

Seju said: if I worked during that time I'd have earned enough money to buy a 100 muffler

Seju also said: It doesn't suit you

Now, If you compare the two versions, you may get what I mean.
specially the last example, Seju means the activity of Knitting doesn't suit Sumin.. while the unofficial translation made her sound so jealous. <- those weren't her words.

in my taste the best thing in your work, which makes me like your translation more than the official one in some cases, is that you keep the honorific and suffix intact. this is specially important and are lost in the official translation.
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bottom line
I appreciate your work so much, even though I didn't write this earlier, but I truly do.. specially how fast you are in providing the translations.
whenever I criticise the unofficial translation I don't aim to belittle your work, I just state to the reader that they probably got another vibe from the sentences that could have taken a different translation.
you are very brave to do this work (that has some good wars going on) and it's honourable that you took your time to read the criticism even tho you owe us nothing XD

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Feel like I'm reading peoples University essays on here.

sorry.. I keep writing things then I get to prove them XD

but speaking of which, I might tone it down.. I will have to do some real work (and maybe social life XD) .. so I will be commenting less in the upcoming days.

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LurKings

Sungji is Eccentric in (behavior) personality.

I checked the source also in there by Psychologist David Weeks
http://celebratingeccentrics.com/the-definition-of-eccentricity/

LurKings

please read Foxy Lady's comment in page 319, then again her answer on me in this page. google "Eccentricity (behavior)".. this will make alot of sense to you.
Sungji is Eccentric, to a point that Sumin and Seju already commented on that "weird, strange person".. she is. but that doesn't mean she is bad.. but her line of thinking is different than the norm, so her reactions.
notice that in ch13 "Sungji couldn't understand the norm that its trivial to others easily.. but then she is very very smart but in different way, when yoonie commented on how it is a weird thing for Sungji to jump to "Jagi" or "Babe" with Sumin when it doesn't comply with the social norms, then you know it also falls within Sungji's Eccentricism.. and you know she does give this distant atmosphere from others... please read the article on wiki, you will feel what Foxy Lady meant.
you will understand why idealism is important and why Foxy lady mentioned it to counter my argument about Dawoon.. you will also understand that Camillie ( Dawoon Ex. also made a point on how Sungji might have felt)

Notice what Sungji said to Seju in ch79: why do you have to be such a bad person yes again, Foxy Lady is right, Sungji thinks that Seju is evil and Sumin has to be protected from her (but at the same time, she wanted Seju to be happier.. so she allowed her to stay) <- Idealism !
also Sungji's reaction in ch77 <- protective !

I could be wrong but why is there no emotional way between Seju and Sumin? Perhaps because their relationship is that; a relationship and not a situationship driven by carnal desires.

nah, it much much deeper and complex than that. let me quote Sumin from ch50 "It's different"
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you may feel lost at the beg. it's okay.. my mind is jamming with ideas.. I even started to stutter my words.. it's pathetic of me XD

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btw LurKings I am so sorry for giving long answers that add more questions than answers

LurKings

how about this, I think that the love triangle is just a part of the story but not the whole story.

-> I know I sound like an idiot sometimes.. but there is more into it.
now if we get the other things into the picture, it will seem that the love triangle is just a part of the story.
I don't know what Team Gaji mean by this: S2 Review

I'm suspecting something related to greater past than the one we know about Seju and Sumin.. while TG didn't really care to give a clear name to Sumin's mother or father or Seju's father.. but we know the full name of Seju's mother (why?).

I know .. I know we have something like 3 chapters left to uncover what I'm suspecting. but here is where surprises come.. making the ship wares not very much important, although it's fun to discuss it.
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if that makes any sense

yoonie0104 and Methetruth

I trust Team Gaji's ability to surprise us. the ending will not be regretful

You said so yourself, Nora, if you lost the bet, you would be very surprised. So well, isnt this the ending that surprises you xDDDD.

there are many ways to surprise me,
the way to get those two together will be surprising but not the ending result.
but if Sungji and Sumin ended up together, both the result and the way will surprise the hell out of me

Yes. That is one hobby of Sungji. If you think of Sungji's eccentrism, then most of the things will just explain themselves.

I had to research Eccentricity (behavior).. makes perfect sense to me now why Sungji needed to watch a movie to understand what was going on.. and why she behaves in a weird manner that both Sumin and Seju said she is a strange person. + the idealism you mentioned

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yoonie0104 and Methetruth

I trust Team Gaji's ability to surprise us. the ending will not be regretful

Foxy lady

my GOD !! ah yeah .. the needing part ch14 and ch12!! yes
and I remember Dawoon Ex, she did tackle this point so subtly about the possibility that Sungji was in fact very confused

resignation letter, alcoholic bottle and button?
This is how Sungji thought of this(courtesy of Nami again)
letter (Sumin wants to go), bottle(Sumin's weakness), button(Seju's violence)

I think this part is what Sungji meant by: I don't trust Ms. Baek
(but she trusted Sumin tho)
and in ch51: I don't think you will hurt me that way
and yeah.. it's connected !!! GIRL you keep making me mind blown .. keep them going XD
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What is hysterical bonding, Nora?

well, it's a known case of extreme reaction to cheating.. the passionate sex is triggered by intense pain and the need to reclaim the partner physically and reconnect with them.
http://www.recovery.org/pro/articles/the-3-phases-of-erotic-recovery-after-infidelity/

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Methetruth

if I lose the bet and Seju didn't end up with Sumin.. I will only be surprised out of my mind.. but not sad really

Foxy lady

the thing is, I have very conflicting feelings about how Sungji feels towards Sumin.. and why!.. but if she was in love with Dawoon I still can't understand why she preferred letting Dawoon go TWICE on getting into a romantic relationship with her <- isn't letting go Sungji's trigger point ?

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Foxy lady

Sungji is not romantically in love with Sumin but Dawoon

very risky argument, I know from where it comes from..and the comparison that Sungji always has between the two. But why did Sungji from the start avoided having a romantic relationship with her ? but was so eager to get it on with Sumin.. even later when she had another chance, she turned Dawoon down.

She was very "curious" of what she heard and seen in chap.55(the aroused/pleasured face of Sumin)

could it be that she was in fact comparing herself to Seju.. Sumin never allowed Sungji to touch her without permission.. but suddenly she saw Sumin being topped by Seju and pleased by it..
insecurity if I can say.
even before the cheating, Sungji liked to see Sumin's face during their times. (ah.. I'm even more confused now )
-> btw, I related Sumin and Sungji excessive passionate sex to hysterical bonding.
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Seju and Sumin's parts are right on point.

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yoonie0104

there is a realistic assumption and there's the crazy.
this was somewhat obvious, given the reaction in the car, Seju would'nt have known they dated until she saw the kiss mark.
and Sungji never left such a mark before.. XD
would Sungji really Send Sumin angry so Seju would comfort her later? nah

Well, the game is still on till the last minute but it seems like I dont have a lot of supporters, lollll

it could be that I have sympathisers rather than supporters XDD
high risk of heart break XDDD

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Methetruth

You loose the bet? :'(

not at all ╮(￣▽￣)╭

let me remind you of something, in the second arc, ch52 <- Sungji/Sumin a couple made in heaven, rings on their fingers and wine.. they've got it all.

ch55 <- disaster XD

now let me blow this even though it's not very clear,

• why didn't Sungji get angry and fight with Sumin in the car ?

pay attention to ch79 lunch talk between Sungji and Seju, Seju questioned Sumin and Sungji's bond.
manhwa's time, they are in the next day.. Sungji dated Sumin, and then dropped Sungji to go directly to pick Seju up..
Sungji decided to brand "mark" Sumin instead of sending her angry and frustrated to Seju

-> Showing Seju a weakness in their relationship
Sungji could've kissed Sumin's lips.. but no, she left a mark instead.

(she is an angel and doesn't get angry.. no, she is very smart)

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Vanbun

ah, don't mind them.. I just got my mind blown yesterday.. the story is deeper than I thought.
but this Manhwa is not for everyone.
I've been catching unofficial translation mistakes.. you do get a different feeling.
Foxy Lady is right, Sungji's trigger point is letting go.. and she is indeed a broken soul.. ch65 her talk to Nammi
Sungji: but everyone who liked me, left in the end

-> she isn't just referring to Sumin
you can compare this sentence to the unofficial one.

yoonie0104

btw, Nora, the look on Sumin's face this chap when there was a kiss on her cheek. I still think I'm gonna win the bet :PPPPPPPP

hehhehehe.. "it's not over, till it's over"

btw, this chapter
Seju said: it's all right <- referring to be in her room
"the translation says: as if" <- this one sounds jealous, but it's not correct

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It is all over.. let the scarf uncover one ring to another XD

the amount of symbolisms that I missed is just crazy!.. what a work..

yoonie0104

discard all the flashback of ch27, and start reading from Sungji's line: I think I understand why you told me all those things.

To prove what, Nora?

to show you that the conversation in ch56 wasn't very clear from Sumin's perspective and rather very subtle compared to ch27 flashback that Sumin couldn't hear. <- maybe that's why she didn't interfere.

@Nora89
I love to discuss it here but I don't know the plans of Team Gaji. In as much as I am eager to share my views, I restrained myself out of sheer respect to Team Gaji. The narrative arc on Sungji is very interesting. As I've said, it is worth another manwha. Would it be alright if I just pm you a story board on Sungji?

please do.. I appreciate it :)

yoonie

and I think at the end of the chapter, Seju was referring to something that Sumin said to her in ch54. (and maybe ch74 as well)

Seju: you would be better off if I was gone, right!

Nah, I dont really think so. Jugding from Seju's words, it does seem she no longer care if she can be back or see Sumin again or not. The moment she set her foot outside of the house, things will be gone, the only she has clinged on to Sumin will be gone so there is no need to hold back though, just go all out, believe her or not, it's Sumin's choice but she can go all out but she didnt.

sorry, I just saw this, what I meant by Seju's sentence being related to ch54 is that Sumin told her: I can't do anything with you next to me.
and she said that Seju is a hindrance to her life.. which made Seju break down even further. something like that was said in ch74 in a way or another.. about Sumin not wanting to have Seju's name on her.
Seju told her <- if you dont like my name that much, you can just leave
Seju this chapter <- I will leave for you!

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yoonie0104

discard all the flashback of ch27, and start reading from Sungji's line: I think I understand why you told me all those things.

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Foxy lady

Though, before I thought he was the one who abducted Sumin, now I second guess because of the mysterious man in chap. 66 comparing it to chap. 26. It is not Saehyun's chin. Thus, I am entertaining the idea that he was the one who rescued Sumin but cursed her due to his anger.

I have to disagree, I opened the chapter again, ch26 and ch27, it's Saehyun who abducted Sumin, you can know that from the mole in his chin and his exact suit in both chapters http://i.imgur.com/Ub4HG78.png
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the mysterious "guy"(girl) in ch66 is in fact the assassin you saw later in ch74 ,ch75 and ch76.
http://i.imgur.com/TuMo2GK.png
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but since we are at it,
previously we saw him saying to Sumin that the compensation wasn't the money, but that she was given the chance to take revenge on Seju.
- it was the guilt that kept Seju alive after their break up, which then gave Sumin the chance to take revenge on her.
- had Sumin took too long, Seju didn't seem to have anything to live for, if anything was to happen to her, even Sumin would be devastated and destroyed.

in his mind, the Scar served two purposes. and actually saved two lives

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MacySan

I wonder if that was even true, the existence of a plot twist. At this point the only shocking twist would be Sumin and Seju together again. Which I still highly doubt

if you could see the plot twist, then it won't be shocking XD

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