I don't understand everyone hating on Airi. She's really the victim here and the emotional trauma she's going through right now would mess anyone up.

This manga is INTENSE. Like seriously this is some crazy good stuff.

And... so what if Itou's a real life pedophile? Can you prove that she's diddling kids just because she released works about characters doing so? You might claim that that's not what you're saying, but that's what you're implying. That's quite a judgmental attitude you have there, don't you think? Does the creator of Saw construct elaborate death games in real life too? And before you try to reject the connection between these two, I'm gonna stop you, because the connection is valid and a good case to dismiss your nonsense claims that just because "some," as you say, works of fiction are "problematic," that they somehow hold less value intrinsically than those that you find no problems with, and thus not worth "defending," as you say. You're free to like what you like, and yes, do feel free to take your money elsewhere, but calling stuff problematic just because you personally don't like it is a disservice to productive discussion and makes you come off as a moralistic jerk. What you're saying is NOT criticism, it's insult, and I won't stand for it, regardless of whether I like a work of fiction or not.

PS: I also prefaced the projection thing with a "If I didn't know any better," so that's on you if you somehow felt offended by the offhand remark. Besides, I'm not even talking about projection of pedophilia, but projection of general character flaws. What was the saying again in English? "If the shoe fits..." was it? Your use of words like "problematic" and "not a good look" is a hallmark of people who think too highly of themselves, so I sure do hope you're not one of them.

You know what, you're right that without proof Itou's doing something illegal like actually touching kids or consuming real child pornography that it doesn't matter and I shouldn't have said I thought she was a pedophile based solely on her fictional work. I shouldn't have brought the author's personal life into this and I will edit my posts to remove it. That's my bad.

Also, I do think horror movies can contain problematic elements and that the issue is more complex than showing murder=real life murder and did not mean to imply showing grooming translates directly to raping children. I try not to be hypocritical in my moralistic jerk-ness.

I stand by my point that certain problematic tropes that appear in works like this are bad, potentially normalize behavior like grooming if they become mainstream, and that I personally will continue to not consume works containing them because I don't like them. I think that's fair enough for an internet opinion.

IMO Itou Hachi is a pedophile, but pedophilia is a state, not an action. People are pedophiles or they are not, regardless of their actions. Further pedophilia is not a crime in any country that I'm aware of. It's actions commonly associated with pedophilia that is the crime.

I somehow forgot that you are a camera expert. I think you talked about photography during that one love triangle manga about the photograpy club girl too.

The real experts take fantastic photos with their smartphones. I just know what they say about them.

https://kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/sample-images.htm

TBH those look horrendous and iPhone 5 is almost 10 years old.

Even if porn isn't illegal, it is often harmful to women. Not always, but often enough. Men looking at porn of real people contribute to the suffering of many women in the world.

You're talking pure nonsense here. I suggest not pretending your personal opinions on something are actual facts of what occurs. It's an opinion born out of puritanical western society and not based in fact.

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I hope this plot gets more development. First chapter was good and so was part of second chapter but this chapter less so.

Commandershepard13 posted:

HOLY SHIT THEY TIED HER UP WITH A TAKATEKOTE AND FUTOMOMO.
Someone has done their studies...

...You realize Shou used to draw porn, right? It's not that surprising.
I mean, twas pedo porn but still porn.

I actually didn't know, thought that doesn't imply having really detailed information about shibari/kinbaku

"used to"? Shou still draws porn. Last drew a chapter for COMIC LO a few months ago.

Shou has extensively drawn almost exclusively loli hentai manga for like over a decade, with the occasional flirt into safe for work stuff like Prism or Stretch and now VAMPEERZ. I hope he continues to do SFW stuff as his best aspect is his ability to do crude humor well (which is also in his 18+ works).

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Manga Cafes... never been there. So how low-brow is it to work there or go there?

Not super low brow. They're really cheap though and you can rent one for like all day for like ~$20. They have 24 hour rental options as well.

Can you sleep in those places? I mean, when one of the characters wanted to bang in there, her view point is like: this is the place for it to happen on the cheap/desperate.

Yes lots of people sleep at them. Having sex at them would be a bit ridiculous, they're SUPER quiet with open tops so you'd have to make no noise at all or it would be obvious what's going on.

Do they have a negative connotation in Japan? What equivalent establishment in the U.S. has the same reputation as Manga Cafes? (Comic Book stores with cots?)

There's no real equivalent I think. Think some place that rents private rooms with a computer and a padded floor (or desk chair, there's various versions) as well as a huge old manga collection and some variety of convenience store foods for sale (and often free soda/coffee as well). They're generally quite clean. They also have showers.

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Is this really not a Yuri? Cuz, it seems really gay.

This is maximum gay without being "gay". I find it really hilarious how gay it is but how they just avoid using any actual terms.

As one of the "very majority" (straight, male, white), I always find it interesting how so many minorities shit on minorities even more minority than themselves. It's like "cycle of abuse", the ones who were discriminated against want to discriminate against someone.

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I love little girls(with hot onee-san).They make me feel so good.

Body positivity is the key, conventionally unattractive onee-sans are fine too.

Rofl. That's pretty crazy.

She wasn't even happy in the end, let's just call it as what it is: rape. Maybe rape play.

It pretty clearly wasn't rape. She was into it for the whole thing and she was quite happy at the end. The translation word choice didn't help though, "Lily and Mari are such dummies" is using playful "baka" here.

Why is it that every time there is a lolicon manga posted here, so much bullshit is written?

Because there's a bunch of closeted prudes in the west.

I really wish the moderators would start banning everyone who just comes to threads to whine and complain about loli content.

Gross.

Why do you people come to this forum, just to create an account to post a lame meme image just to hate on a manga. Can you fuck off and not use this site? This is your only ever post. Great fucking job.

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Note about how this chapter is banned in Germany. https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/06/eclair-blanche-censored-in-germany-to-protect-minors/86631/

It'll be interesting what happens when this releases in the US in 1 month. https://www.amazon.com/%C3%89clair-Blanche-Girls-Anthology-Resonates/dp/1975359097

it's listed as 272 pages, down from 292 for the Japanese print so

it's probably cut there too

I guess it's true, the US market just doesn't like yuri.

Well I just emailed YenPress's press and editorial department and I also tweeted at them as well. I'll see what I hear.

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Hey there! Why don't you have a seat?

Fuck off. This forum needs a report to moderator button.

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Note about how this chapter is banned in Germany. https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/06/eclair-blanche-censored-in-germany-to-protect-minors/86631/

It'll be interesting what happens when this releases in the US in 1 month. https://www.amazon.com/%C3%89clair-Blanche-Girls-Anthology-Resonates/dp/1975359097

Do actual kids even fathom the concept of a lover?
I don't think this is what a real kid's reaction is like, or am I just out of touch with how the new generation thinks?

Pretty sure they don't unless an adult literally exposes them to it. And if they do understand, most likely than not, they're reaction is 'eww gross'. Kids have more than enough attention that they wouldn't need a lover. The only reason people get lovers is to distract themselves from the stressors of adulting; teenagers because of hormones. At least, that's what I think.

4th grade is 10 years old. My little sister's friend when we were kids had a boyfriend at 11. Some certainly get the concept.

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I do wonder why the title says it's going to be a love triangle when it's otherwise quite upfront about the endgame being poly

I think it's a tongue-in-cheek joke about how the love triangle will be resolved easily - by polyamory. That's my guess at least.

Technically the literal meaning of the Japanese is "Triangle relationship" which equivalently describes a 3-way polyamory relationship.

"The moon is beautiful" is a classic Japanese phrase from Japanese literature written by Natsume Souseki. It means "I love you". Just in case anyone didn't catch the final phrase in chapter 5 and the chapter title.

omfg Omichi is so fucking cute (also let's get more POC in yuri plsthnx). I think she has a really vibrant personality that's made her stand out with very little screen time. I don't think she's stepping in the middle of the main pairing at all. If anything, her presence has only solidified Hino and Koguma's feelings for each other since they know that they don't have similar feelings for Omichi. I think she'll end up wingmanning for the main pair in a big way. In fact, this arc alone could count as that (even unwittingly). I think there's zero chance of her getting involved with either Hino or Koguma and the chances of poly are very low. She's just a helpful third wheel! (but a very cute one) Please don't be mean to Omichi!

Not to be a downer, but this isn't "POC" as much as all of them are "POC" (asians). She's just from a more southern Japanese group that tans darker than others (or she's just tanned at the moment). You'll see plenty of them in Japan. Ethnic Japanese actually have quite a wide range of skin tones. In manga it's often done as an indicator of "this person is a sportsman/outdoorsy type" however, and with her getting all embarrassed in this chapter acting as a type of gap-moe.

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I just bought chapter 4 of this. I believe there's raws online already, hopefully someone translates it soon.

Yeah, further confused by it being sex she was getting something out of, namely leniency on her rent. Is prostitution under the influence rape? Is prostitution under duress under the influence rape? Like, it's clearly unethical from the landlady, but it's unclear exactly what form of unethical, and she's clearly trying to become a better person. I'd condemn the hell out of it in real life, but in fiction, kinda complicated, and people can change a lot more easy in fiction.

Coerced sex and sex with someone too drunk/high/whatever to give meaningful consent are both rape.

I'm quite aware of both of those facts. It's not entirely clear to me that she was too drunk to consent, nor that it was coerced. Prostitution is not rape. Again, I think it's bad, and the specific definition or form of badness is not clear, but it's not like her sleeping with her landlady because she couldn't make rent is rape in a vacuum, it's much closer to prostitution. And I'm not entirely sure how drunk she was (signs point to "too much" but still), but it is clear that if that was the only thing going on people would not be calling it rape. I believe heavily in consent in all manners of life, and it clearly was not here enough in this case, but the specifics of it are at least slightly muddied.

That's not prostitution, that's extortion. In fact the landlord threatening to evict someone unless they have sex with them is pretty much the default example of extortion rape. Even if she was stone sober the power dynamic between landlord and tenant is extremely inappropriate without any quid pro quo, that puts it well over the line.

I think it's pretty ridiculous what people call rape now. Rape should be only used in rare cases, applying it to literally everything that's uncomfortable/immoral just gets ridiculous. (And no I don't care what the law in certain countries says about this. Laws can be disagreed with.)

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The translation for chapter 11 is really awkward for a lot of lines, it's like the order of the speech bubbles are constantly out of order.