If straight women were using. iPC cells to reproduce, why would they bother with dating and marriage, at all. They would probably just band together and raise their children sister wives style.

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iPS cells. Google it.

I know what iPS cells are thank you very much. I just don't think that would be able to support the whole world's population that way.

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I know I will probably catch flak for this, but if you genetically modify women, so they can impregnate each other, wouldn't they technically be hermaphrodites, and not females. Does this story even count as a yuri?

I'm thinking it's something more along the lines of assisted, medically-controlled reproduction; artificially making a human egg (as in the first stage of a human after conception) by putting the mothers' genes together. That would naturally result in XX (so female if all works well, and considering this would need to be medically assisted, it probably would) babies being the only ones able to be concieved, making it so that no male or (probably) intersex children would appear.

I'm pretty sure such a thing was envisioned by the most radical feminists, the first wave in our world being more or less when men became a scarcity in the yuritopia. Maybe with more support from mainstream feminism and the approval of a doomed patriarchy, that would've been a thing a century ago like this manga imagines; or at least, I'm pretty sure research would've been made towards that.

Maybe, but I think that would be a logistical nightmare, to keep an entire world population aflloat. Imagine everyone in the world having go through a clinic to get pregnant. The health cost alone would be prohibitive. Not to mention the moral and ethical questions raised by needing money to have children. That would definitly raise the specter of elitism

Note: sorry It's been a while since I check this thread.

I think that when you agree to make breakfast for someone you know has romantic feelings for you, you're basically confessing yourself. Breakfast is that kind of meal.

Only after a romantic night together, if you get my meaning.

I like to believe this is a yuri win. God knows my yuri goggles have thick lenses. However, I keep going back to Fuwako's line "I'm sorry for being inconsiderate this whole time." That says to me, I'm sorry for letting my boyfriend intrude on our friendship, not I love you. Let's be a couple.

It says to me, "I'm sorry for never realizing/recognizing your feelings and that you had to suffer in silence until now." She then continues, now in full knowledge and understanding of those feelings, "I want to be with you forever." The final lines about a new jewelry box "without a key" are a callback to the very first lines on the first page, showing how the situation has changed, and that she was wrong that her feelings would never reach. They did, and were accepted.

As I said, Fuwako shows signs of clear attraction to Arisa throughout the story, and at the end, there is no "sorry, I can't return your feelings" etc., no equivocations about the choice she's clearly making to be with Arisa from now on. I really can't understand how it could reasonably be seen otherwise.

Maybe, but Fuwako never said I love you, or kissed Arisa, or did anything to show her feelings for Arisa were anything other than platonic. I think Fuwako wanted to stay best friends with Arisa. And was promising not let her relationship with Date-kun get in their way.
Arisa's metaphor about the jewelry box, and the key could simply be her way of saying locking away her feelings brought nothing but pain, from now on she'll be more open with them.
Look I want to believe in a yuri ending, but no final romantic show, plus that inconsiderate line leads me to say probably not this time.

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The mental gymnastics people here will do to convince themselves something is not yuri. Amazing. This was clearly a yuri end. Fuwako had been blushy over Arisa all the way through, and at the end she makes her choice. Everything about the final scene is arranged to make that as clear as it needs to be, and if you think otherwise you have trust issues from reading too many actual Bad End stories.

I like to believe this is a yuri win. God knows my yuri goggles have thick lenses. However, I keep going back to Fuwako's line "I'm sorry for being inconsiderate this whole time." That says to me, I'm sorry for letting my boyfriend intrude on our friendship, not I love you. Let's be a couple.

(Cryssoberyl's Note: This post was edited in error, I meant to quote. It has been properly restored to what was first written.)

last edited at Mar 21, 2019 3:37PM by Cryssoberyl

Can y'all not see that they're just staying as friends? Jeez, take off the yuri tinted glasses for 2 seconds, c'mon y'all.

On a separate note, the long haired girl surprised me with how much she actually loved and cared for her friend in the end. Even when the black haired girl kissed her and told her never to come back, the long haired girl treasured their friendship so much to the point where she just came back.

Rip black haired girl's feelings
Mvp brown haired girl's friendship
Honourable mention: Date-kun for existing in like 1 panel lmao

I agree with you, but there is enough ambiguity in the ending, for us yuri fans to see a Fuwako, Arisa hook-up. So don't go harshing our yuri mellow.

P.S. Date'kun can leave our yuri girls alone! After I'm Getting Married we needed a yuri win.

P.S.S. yuri, I just wanted to write yuri one more time.

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To me this ending seems like the worst possible ending. Triggering some weird memories, leaving a bad taste.
For me, this ending doesn't give any hope for 'yuri wins' solution. But you know who is left with that hope? The mc, Arisa. For me it's rather clear that Fuwako came back to fight for friendship, but only for a friendship. But actually it's rather egoistic act. Arisa will continue to suffer and won't be able to let those feelings go, how the heck is she going to move on. Fuwako on the other hand will be in pretty neat position. She can keep her friendship (by hurting the other side) and a relationship. As hard as it may be, the best what Fuwako could have done, was backing off, really...

Bro... people can move on from loves and with the actual rejection from the person she likes, the black haired girl could finally move on but still have the friendship that both her and the long haired girl treasured. People can get over things and grow

Maybe someday, the pair can continue their friendship but, right now Arise should take a step back and do some me work. She needs time to get over Fuwako. Letting Fuwako stay that close will just confuse her, and give her false hope. A friendship with one-sided love is doomed.

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I don't get it. Why all the Arisa hate? She just didn't return an earring, Fuwako lost. Yeah it was childish, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal. What Fuwako did to Arisa, while unintentional, most certainly hurt Arisa far worse. After Arisa kissed her, Fuwako, probably took some time to think about it, and realised what she had been doing to her best friend and forgave Arisa for her childishness. It's like you feel Arisa's feelings don't matter at all.

^I think that's unfair. Romantic love is always, at least a little, selfish and possessive. While I agree their close frienship is doomed, I can't fault the black haired girl for doing something childish. People do stupid and desperate things when they feel like they losing something precious. Maybe the light haired girl understood that, and forgave her. And heck black haired girl could have done way worse. I've seen more than one story where the gay girl slept with the guy to destroy her friend's relationship. Compared to that stealing an earring is nothing.

I dont think someone's romantic interests are a excuse for mistreating those that they are supposed to care for. Just because she could have been more damaging and hurtful isnt excuse for bad behavior, it's the breeding ground of a toxic relationship. She did something hurtful on purpose, and that should have been addressed.

Its not that her acting out is unrealistic, but it's not excusable. The blonde girl had the right to be upset and while that doesn't mean she should have lashed out in return that also doesn't mean that she should allow herself to be treated poorly.

I still think you are being unfair to Arisa. Yes not giving back the earring was childish and hurtful, given what those earrings ment to Fuwako, but I feel It's far from unforgivable. Remember Fuwako discarding the earrings she shared with Arisa was just as hurtful. Just because Fuwako didn't realise she was hurting her friend, doesn't make it hurt less. Once Fuwako realised Arisa's feelings, she understood that. I don't see this as warning that Arise is an Abusive person. She just childish lashed out when she was hurt. Sad but understandable. Again it could have been worse Arisa could have set out to destroy Fuwako and Date's relatioship. That would have been unforgivable.

Edit: remember Arisa didn't steal the earring, she just didn't return it after Fuwako lost it. That means Arisa didn't set out to hurt Fuwako. Also Arisa dropped hints to Fuwako how much the matching earrings ment to her.

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I still say a close friendship is impossible, when one-sided is involved. The one is love will always want more than the other can give. In the end both will end up hurt.

How is this a Yuri wins? Looks to me like they're still just friends in the end...

I'm not entirely sure what this author is implying, but think about it like this: if someone left her boyfriend for you and declared that she wanted to be with you forever, would you think all she wanted was to be your friend?

Maybe this is setup for some hellish scenario where Arisa loves Fuwako, and Fuwako wants to be with Arisa but doesn't love her (reminds me of Moratorium), but I would be hesitant to assume that based on the information that we're given.

Fuwako never said she broke up with Date. She just promised to be together with Arisa forever, and to be more considerate of her feelings. Which I took to mean, Fuwako was going to stop letting her relationship with Date come between her and Arise. You know sisters before misters.

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I think the yuri part was the part that felt forced. Everything was pretty generic but if felt like high school level angst. Light hair girl should have been angry with black hair girl but instead she was made a doormat for a child with a temper tantrum. It's not light hair girls fault for not being a mind reader, she did her best to be a good friend. Dark hair girl cared about her sure, but selfishly and possessively, it wouldn't have worked.

^I think that's unfair. Romantic love is always, at least a little, selfish and possessive. While I agree their close frienship is doomed, I can't fault the black haired girl for doing something childish. People do stupid and desperate things when they feel like they losing something precious. Maybe the light haired girl understood that, and forgave her. And heck black haired girl could have done way worse. I've seen more than one story where the gay girl slept with the guy to destroy her friend's relationship. Compared to that stealing an earring is nothing.

I thought it was a sucky ending. Eternal friendship is of little comfort, while being forced to watch the person you love, fall in love with someone else. One sided love is always the death of a friendship. You should just walk away, and move on. Best rip that band-aid quick than to drag it out. It's have her drop of the key Lee, and set yourself free.

I think a lot people missed the dark humor in the ending. There was a LOT of tragic irony in what happened. When life gives you lemons and you accidentally get some in your eye and then trip and smash your teeth out on the table while trying to make them into lemonade, you need to learn to laugh it off. I mean there is often humor in tragedy.

That's a good way of putting it. This story is definitely meant to be at least a little funny. The reactions of all the other women when her marriage is announced are too over-the-top. Same with the sudden transition from sex scene to pregnancy. There's a certain silliness throughout, and I think anyone who takes this too seriously is reading it incorrectly.

You know it is a little darkly funny that a depressed lesbian gets drunk, has a one night stand, with a man, (quite possibly the only time she's ever been with one.) , and ends up pregnant and engaged. It's like a line from that old Alanis Morissete song.

Good points here! Whatever I just said, don’t worry about it... we’re talking over a manga!

Oh, one last thing: what song is it? (“Ironic“?)

Yes that one.

It's weird I would love to see a follow up story, where Kyouko, crashes the wedding and takes Mitsuko back. However, I think a sequel giving the women a happy ending would ruin this exquisite angst I feel for it. As much as I hate stories like this, they're the ones that stick with me the longest. Sometimes you just have to leave your comfort zone.

I think a lot people missed the dark humor in the ending. There was a LOT of tragic irony in what happened. When life gives you lemons and you accidentally get some in your eye and then trip and smash your teeth out on the table while trying to make them into lemonade, you need to learn to laugh it off. I mean there is often humor in tragedy.

That's a good way of putting it. This story is definitely meant to be at least a little funny. The reactions of all the other women when her marriage is announced are too over-the-top. Same with the sudden transition from sex scene to pregnancy. There's a certain silliness throughout, and I think anyone who takes this too seriously is reading it incorrectly.

You know it is a little darkly funny that a depressed lesbian gets drunk, has a one night stand, with a man, (quite possibly the only time she's ever been with one.) , and ends up pregnant and engaged. It's like a line from that old Alanis Morissete song.

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Also, this manga is maybe infuriating for some people, but it's not intrinsically bad.

It's obvious that the author wanted the readers to realize that the MC had made a huge mistake; The bad ending is intended and is a "lesson to learn".

Except pregnant and engaged is a really crappy time to figure out how bad you f-ed up. And I still can't figure out that dopey grin she had on her face when they announced their engagement. Will somebody please tell me what's that about.

I think the reason Seo got attached to Kyouko might be because she was literally the first person to accept her, to not ridicule her looks, to show her kindness instead of scathing remarks. I find it interesting that what finally drove Seo over the edge was not the "cheating" aspect, but her insecurity over whether Kyouko was faking pleasure with her. Notice how we never see Kyouko pleasuring Seo, it is always the other way around. Just look at Seo's facial expressions, how she obviously relishes in bringing pleasure to the other girl, how confident and proud of herself she looks. And then, that is exactly the aspect of their "relationship" she started doubting, in the end she was convinced Kyouko was "faking it", and that was what drove her into despair. Note that she sleeps with Kyouko after hearing the rumours, and the only thing that is on her mind during the sex is "is she faking it", not "my girlfriend is cheating on me".

Irony is that I think Kyouko is the only one who got hurt in the end. I genuinely think Seo was not actually in love with the other woman, she just got high on the power of bringing pleasure to another person, after her previous partners plainly told her she brought none to them. The moment she started thinking Kyouko was faking it, she proceeded to abandon ship as fast as she could. Kyouko's obvious sadness at the end, on the other hand, is a pretty good indicator she realised this meant something to her.

On a side note, Seo in general seems to have... gotten a really bad message out of all this. Here she seems to conclude that a girl will always respond with enthusiasm, even when faking it, so that is what she probably thinks under "the role of a woman", backed up by this scene, where I can not help but think she kept "moaning cutely" because he was asking her does it feel good. Given the previous scene with Seo asking Kyouko did she like it, Kyouko enthusiastically giving an affirmative answer, and Seo then dismissing it as faking, I think this scene mirrors that one, with Seo basically resigning herself to "fuck it, it is all fake" kind of thinking.

Or maybe I am reading too much into it.

That was a pretty good analysis.
I guess, given the nature of her insecurities, Seo was doomed to end up with a guy. That's the thing about men: they cannot fake their orgasms, lol.

It's a popular misconceptions that men can't fake it. I learned in my human sexually class that it's not uncommon, for guys to fake it."

I can't get the ending of this one out of my mind. The way Mitsuko acted at the end, smuggly smoking after of sex. Or, that goofy grin when they announced the wedding. It's like she was pleased with herself for getting knocked up from a crappy drunken one night stand. I really hope that the revelation, that she just ruined her life, over nothing, haunts her. I wish I could follow her around, and twist the knife. "Hey Mitsuko remember the moment you looked into Kyouko's eyes, and realised, that you totally broke her heart. Man, you had in tears. High five."

P.S. I know Kyouko really had it coming, with all her cheating. At least she did it off camera, and she had the good sense not to get pregnant. Nothing kills a romance faster, than your lover having someone else's baby.

You know this might not be the end for Kyouko, and Mitsuko. It's obvious both womem still have feelings for each other, and neither of them have a problem with cheating. Also Mitsuko isn't married yet.

I think Mitsuko broke her own heart.
Man how can I like a story, and yet hate it so much?

I hope their relationship wasn't the same as the girlfriend's last one. The OL said her girlfriend was being abused not neglected.

That line about a "cold home" makes me think it was both. :/

Yeah, your right. The OL told her "I promise to not make you feel lonely again.". It's a shame the OL forgot her promise. The girl sounds like the girl really had no luck in love.
Honestly it seems like the girl should take time and learn how to be her own woman. It's almost like she is a pet. Totally dependant on her lovers to take care of her.

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If you read the dialogues carefully, you'll notice she never told her lover that she was working so hard for her.

Her inner monologue was all like "I have to make more money for her, I have to get a promotion to give her a better life!" but, when speaking to her, she was all like "Work is so fun, work is the best, I'm all fired up for work, woo!"

The OL probably didn't want her girlfriend feeling guilty knowing she was the reason the OL was working so hard. Not that it makes it better.

It's no surprise that, in the end, the other girl decided that lesbian love is overrated -- because this relationship they had was just "Her Old Marriage Version 2.0" -- and walked away.

I hope their relationship wasn't the same as the girlfriend's last one. The OL said her girlfriend was being abused not neglected.

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CAPTAIN OBVIOUS here!
This kind of story is depressing but also great, because it's a good reminder to evaluate your relationships carefully and see things from your partner's perspective. The main character sees what she's doing as "making more money so we can have a more comfortable life," while the girlfriend just sees it as "I promise I'll never let you be lonely... now excuse me while I work late hours every day and take a 2 week business trip during the fireworks festival I promised you we could watch from here."
RIP relationship. Don't let your life turn into a Drama tag.
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS, awaaay!

Why is it all the working woman's fault? The whole "If my partner really loves me, they would know how I feel" thing has destroyed many relationships. Love doesn't give you magic emphatic powers. If her girlfriend felt lonely, she should have said so. So I think there is plenty of blame to go around.
It's a real shame, It looks like there was real love between them.

Totally agree! Yet, I know I am guilty of "Magical Thinking", which is actually the clinical term for thinking your thoughts can effect the actions of others. I try to vocalize my thoughts , but we all hope for someone who knows us so well we don't have to vocalize... but face the facts.

Honestly, You are the one who is causing the issues if you are unhappy with parts of your relationship, that you are letting your unhappiness fester, and not vocalizing it before it becomes a breaking point. Much easier to fix at the beginning. Less pent up emotions to get in the way of addressing the issue. (Again, I try, but I'm not great at this... I'm getting better, and it is true that although it might hurt, it will feel better than letting it fester.)

HELL,WOMAN! Just tell her you want to go with her! That she is what you want, not the things she can buy. Make it sappy and heartfelt.

To be fair, I was wondering why she didn't offer to take her along with her... I mean most companies wouldn't care as long as you paid the extra fees out of your own pocket. And if she was afraid of the company finding out, all she would have to do is tell her supervisor that it was her best friend and they had had plans to hang out together after work during the time the trip was planned... Company knowing your personal business is avoided.

the bi woman missed dicks so she went out to find em ,
the end .

this is why we should never trust bi women lolol

I can't tell if that is homophobic, or biphobic. Nevermind reading the other posts, It's obvious which one.

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