I can't believe we're still arguing this after the author made Sakurako describe their relationship for those who still didn't get it before...

Ah, but this tells us nothing about Kasumi's feelings toward Sakurako--she may just be putting up with the sleeping together, the being together all the time, the half-naked cuddling, the planning the rest of their lives together, and the integration into each others' families because she wants to eat Sakurako's cooking.

See how easy it is?

Yeah, I know, I know... I guess she'll have to do the same with Kasumi next time. Not that it would change any minds that refuse to be changed.

I can't believe we're still arguing this after the author made Sakurako describe their relationship for those who still didn't get it before...

If you aren’t willing to forgive people, they’ll never change.

We can do both. She deserved her punishment for the bullying, and she only changed because of this. But we can also forgive her now, seeing how she truly doesn't do such things anymore.

Um, no. That's not how it works. You can demand payment for a debt or you can forgive the debt, but not both.

If part of the debt has been repaid, can you no longer forgive the rest?

All of you crying earlier to have Kiri-san beaten down. How could you?

Look at that! She's a good girl now. And she has someone who loves her.

Do you guys regret it now? I think you should.

I don't. Kiri changing the way she treats others because of Nikaido doesn't erase everything that she has done until now so she still can be criticized for it.

If you aren’t willing to forgive people, they’ll never change.

We can do both. She deserved her punishment for the bullying, and she only changed because of this. But we can also forgive her now, seeing how she truly doesn't do such things anymore.

And it is nice to see her find someone else who loves her, especially if it keeps her out of our couple's hair. This chapter's over, we can move on now to the next danger - Nikaidou in Tadokoro's room.

Update: Moke Yuzuhara will launch the new manga adaptation in Kadokawa's Monthly Comic Dengeki Daioh magazine on May 25.

And looks like we have a date for the new manga version as well.

Well, true enough, but on the other hand, still proof of deep tongue action, if only to switch the candy. :D

Let's just go with this one, then.

Ah yes, the well known kiss on the mouth between best friends.

Well... While I don't really disagree with you, we do have Girl Friends as an example where this happens even without the "best" part there - leading to Mari not realizing Akko's feelings because of this.

Admittedly, Kasumi (nor anyone else in this series) is not known for doing this with anyone else, though.

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So far, just to be a third wheel. As a few have mentioned before, she appears to be related to Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko, another of the author's works. Here is a link to the Wiki about her.

Very much so, yeah.

“I was actually planning to use the head of one of my brethren as reference, but accidentally got them mixed up with the person next to them.”

This pretty much confirms that Chikama is related to Hoshimiya, but her looks are based on Erio. Whether through actual supernatural ability or simply by the author's choice remains to be seen.

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^Well, to an extent it is, as a continuation of her previously internal line, so it only makes sense for it to be in the same tone of voice. I suppose this is why it was so crucial to actually show her speaking this bit in the anime, as it can not be easily differentiated by a speech bubble like in the original manga.

^The one in chapter 18 is said out loud as well - and is the only part of her full thoughts there actually said so, making it seem for Touko as if she's only (and possibly jokingly) complaining about the food, not the balance of their relationship.

Funny thing, in the anime it felt more like an internal line.

Actually rewatched it to check this, and it's exactly the same in the anime as well. But seeing how it begins as an internal line and ends with just the one word spoken, it's easy to see how one could miss it, as Blastaar just showed with the manga as well.

^The one in chapter 18 is said out loud as well - and is the only part of her full thoughts there actually said so, making it seem for Touko as if she's only (and possibly jokingly) complaining about the food, not the balance of their relationship.

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Now rumors in Bloom Fandom put (Suguru Doujima X Koyomi Kanou) together. If Doujima so much as puts a little finger on my girl Koyomi, I propose we put together a posse, sit down with Mr. Doujima, and make him an offer he can't refuse.

Wait, what? Doujima has only ever been shown to have interest in Akari, as far as I can tell...

Yes, the play is meta for the higher analysis, but Touko is also consciously aware of the meaning of the play. She says Koyomi is "scary" in how accurately Koyomi captured Touko's experiences, and what appears to be almost grudgingly, accepts the alternate ending that reflects her true desire.

Once again, though, these are changes brought on long after she decides to put on the play and do not reflect her original reasons for doing so.

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^^^^That certainly is different indeed...

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YES!

Except Touko also states that she is doing the play for herself and because she wants to. This isn't just about Mio, but about Touko learning more about herself and about someone who was and is incredibly important to her. She even makes it a point to ask what her sister was like, not simply relying on what other's have already said and her own conclusions. In a way, the play and build up to the play functions as her grieving process, because she never really got to due to the expectations of others. She wanted to know more about her sister, and that's not a bad thing.

The whole point, or a main point, to the play was to accept that another person's view of you does not wholly define you. And to find yourself, to act on your own interests, even if what comes next is unknown and scary. Touko is still scared, still uncertain as her hand shakes while accepting and reciprocating Yuu's love, but her experiences lead her to discovering herself more and to gaining the ability to act or make the "choice".

You are quite right about this for the most part, but a lot of this are also changes that emerge long after she decides to do the play. You are absolutely right about the point of the play, but this from the standpoint of the story itself, not from Touko's. Touko does go into this with her original plan of simply accomplishing what her sister couldn't. The changes to how she views both the play and her sister come from Yuu's advice and from discovering that her sister was not as perfect as she always thought. The latter is also why she starts asking more about her sister, it would not have happened without being told how different they were.

Notice that there's almost nothing about the sister in the wake of the play, no return to the gravesite to tell Mio that her quest has finally been fulfilled or any other "putting the guilt to rest" scene, etc.--it's all about Touko going forward.

While this is true, it is hard to tell whether it's because there was no quest in the first place, or because of the change in Touko's way of thinking thanks to Yuu. And then there's the simple fact that the grave seems to be far enough away that she only really goes there when visiting the grandparents - we may still see her go there later, possibly with Yuu.

[...] and I don't think Rei was joking, at least not entirely.

Well, her reactions when Touko finally visits show that she did not really expect it to be true, but seeing how the two behave does remind her of her own words and make her suspicious. Even more so in the extra chapter where Touko's reactions pretty much confirm things for Rei, enough that she actually proceeds to send Touko a photo of Yuu sleeping. Would not put it past her to have been stealthily probing Yuu even with that initial comment, though, she's clearly well aware that this is a possibility as well.

I think Touko wanted to do the play because she felt it would bring her closer to understanding her sister. And through the play, she learned she herself likes acting. I call that a positive. I would assume their discussion to be about Touko, not her sister, again.

Well, yes, it is obviously about Touko, but nothing suggests it's specifically about her sexuality or whom she's dating, but rather talking about all the things they've kept to themselves, both Touko and her parents. While the play is what prompts this change, the words used by her parents ("We've said too little for too long...") show that it's not a talk about some sudden realizations based on her character's orientation, but rather about things left unsaid during the past years.

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I think Touko's parents may already know, but not about Yuu of course. We didn't get to see it, but at the end of the play Touko's mother mentions to Touko's father about having a "family talk". And the play itself wasn't exactly subtle. Of course Koyomi wrote the script, but the script was uncanny with how accurate it was to Touko's character, and Touko's parents seemed to take the play as Touko's own words, prompting the need for a talk later.

You mean this? Seems more likely to be about her efforts to be like Mio than anything else.

I also agree that Yuu's mother will likely take the news hard, she may even reject Yuu and Touko at first. That said, if the story actually addresses familial/societal responses to homosexuality, in a well conducted way and to such an extent, I'll be surprised. With the other characters needed a conclusion and there being one final volume, I wonder if there will be room?

Well, Rei does think their mom might oppose it, but looking at the other times this has come up even jokingly, so far only Yuu's father has said anything at all about her possibly having a girlfriend, and even that was basically just admitting he wouldn't know what to do, while the rest of the family doesn't either seem to care either way or, in case of her sister, is clearly supportive.

Admittedly, we don't know all that much about what either family is like, though, especially when it comes to their attitude towards same sex relationships.

^Now, I agree with you on the Wataten doujin, but an aphrodisiac is a drug.

As for the story itself, it's a weird borderline case where both sides of the argument can be correct to an extent, seeing how Anne did indeed try to have Grea drink the love potion, but on the other hand her thoughts earlier show that she did not do so with the intent to take advantage of Grea, but rather just to test its effects, not really considering where it would logically lead from there.

Emphasis on her feet lifting off the ground, anyone?

I believe it implies that Yuu is finally the one who initiates the kiss

She initiated the kiss for the first time when she confessed, though.

Ah, Yuri is so adorable here. ^_^

Just in case I'll leave this here
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Koi wa Ameagari no You ni

First thing I thought of when I saw the guy as well. :D

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@BugDevil Well, 99%, there's also Mei Fon who really loves money. ;)

Reminds me of the people that said that Valkyrie Drive wasn't a yuri show. Seemingly women sexually pleasuring other women was something straight girls did wherever those people came from.

Dammit, you almost made me choke on my tea... How is that even possible? o_O