^It's the opposite, that is a really terrible and awkward angle to pull a hand. Try it with your own, this motion is far better suited for pushing than pulling. If she wanted to pull she would have grabbed the hand or the wrist, instead of twisting her hand around in a way that makes it hard for her arm to pull back.

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That's a poster alright. All hail to the queen, baby.

Amane might very well be a saint.

Well I don't like polyamory much and don't think it works in 99% of cases, but for all the rushing at the end, I feel this conclusion was consistent with what was set up. Could Kou's feelings have been explored more? A looot. It's not even clear if she had feelings for either of those before this point. But I believe the author always had this conclusion in mind. The line "I was in love with this couple" actually got me good haha.

Lizard-senpai's motivations seemed a little bit unrelated to the actual issues set up with her. I get that she loved Amane, but she didn't really harp much on having lost her club members before. She conceded before the contest even began too, which is really not set up in any way. That just came out of left field. Undermines how Kou's picture actually won.

This series fell victim to the cutthroat manga industry, but let's appreciate that it had a lot of things going for it. There was lots of discussion (47 pages worth by now!) for not even 10 chapters. It aroused a lot of interesting debates and had the right amount of ambiguity to keep readers second guessing.

As far as rushed yuri manga go, I'll take this over any of the bland samey cutesy ones.

Em, no. They are solidified for years. And people actually did bring up the issue before. The biggest sites like MAL or pretty much all other manga readers simply refused to change the way they use those terms, which is what perpetuates their use between old and new fans. Majority of people either don't know they're misused or don't care, so there's no incentive to fight a lost battle. At best you can choose to use them correctly on your site, like Dynasty does for the most part.

The manga/anime community has been growing for years as well and will still do so. The old core audience is small compared to the gains, therefore terms can still be changed. Considering how easy it was for me to convince several people already, I don't see how it could be any trouble at all for everyone to do it. You can only fight a mistaken belief by continuing to insist on the truth. Let those idiots on MAL be stubborn, their reputation is horrible anyway.

The issue with shoujo ai is that actually this terms was specifically made up by publishers as a analogical term to shounen ai (which did exist as a genre in Japan, but that's longer story). The point is, it's not anime/manga fans misusing it. It's publishers creating it specifically to market a entire genre of stories. Try unsolidifying that. I guess there's some hope, since some publishers did start to prefer use of term yuri, even for SFW stuff, like Seven Seas from what I remember. Still for the most part, those terms are so deeply ingrained in anime/manga culture, you can't really teach people to use them correctly at this point.

Yeah yeah, I am fully aware of where the term came from, although what publishers are you refering to exactly?
Nobody calls it Shoujo Ai in official deals. Last time I checked not a single localized manga sports the "Shoujo Ai" tag anywhere on the volumes. So even if they "marketed" it as that, they sure aren't actually putting down the evidence for it.
It is most definitely the manga/anime communities who perpetuate this the most (usually out of ignorance or laziness).

If everyone had the same defeatist attitude you have, people like the Seven Seas staff would never have done that.

Anyway this seems to have lost all connection to the topic, so I'm done here.

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I think "shoujo/shounen ai" are in a different boat than benign classification differences like ecchi or hentai because conflating pedophilia with queerness is actually a problem whereas having slightly different classifications of media from the original language is not. I don't think differing from Japanese cultural standards is a problem that needs to be combated it's just a reality of language and culture barriers and the only reason to get bent out of shape over it is pedantry.

Not exactly what I was getting at with the wrench in the understanding between cultures. If a Western fan declares s/he loves Shoujo Ai, that will just make that person look like a degenerate to a Japanese person. It is insensitive to Japanese culture where these things come from and sullies them for no good reason.
Don't call a riceball a donut just because your culture isn't familiar with riceballs etc.

Blame the Yaoi fandom for even introducing the term Shounen Ai and consequently creating the dumb lesbian counterpart that actually never existed.

there is plenty of wholesome yuri with sex scenes. those sex scenes dont usually have drawings of girls looking uncomfortable or pained. (like the pages i linked previously)

She looks uncomfortable because the shoe is too tight or because Aira pushed on her toes which made them tingle.
Considering this 'unwholesome' due to that is not very logical, because you pre-suppose that these shots actually resemble hentai or are intended that way. Which is incredibly doubtful to say the least. Low angle shots are usually more fanservicey, but that's about it. It could have been done from every other angle with the same effect.

Furthermore we are seeing these moments from Aira's perspective who obviously would have a more distorted view on the situation.

even this page:
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pocha_climb_ch02#2
looks like it could be out of a lots of sex manga.

i immediately notice the difference between a drawing of a girl plopping in bed that is from the top like that, and basically any other angle. the one in pocha climb looks like shes perhaps been pushed into bed and you are viewing her from above. from the side, or even 3/4 view it would be significantly less "hentai-ish" to me.

Not to upset you or anything, but that is simply ludicrous. That pose and angle is used so frequently in all genres and all manga that assuming this has hentai-ish vibes says more about your perception than about the work to be honest. Instead of just overlaying your experiences from hentai with this shot composition, you need to also consider the context of the scene. There can be an element of sex appeal here (exposed midriff and dissheveled clothes), but the scene itself is about her exhaustion after the workout.
We see her whole body as it is, how she is twitching from aching muscles and how she is dissheveled because this was her first time doing something this straining in a while.

Am I overanalyzing this entire thing? Obviously. Are your interpretations off kilter? Most likely.

edit: also this forum seems super combative lately. (not really specifically to my post, but just in general.)

Someone says that literally every few weeks, so it has lost all meaning. I think everyone's perception is different and you just didn't notice it was the exact same way before.

^TV show: Subtext 11/10. Actual Yuri Chance -10/10.
Movie: Subext 9/10. Actual Yuri Chance 3/10.
Basically it's bait.

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So it has arrived here. Necoland is a magical place indeed~
PS: Scath with the pixelated cool shades tho.

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What she is saying is... she wants you.
What a natural ladykiller.

Aren't they Chinese hopping vampires though? I'm not sure you could call that a zombie.

"Only my upper mouth today."

At least she is hiding her degeneracy from the world.

That was not the right shot for the Hair card.

If this were true Byleth would never sleep.

Cobra clutch! A bold maneuver.

There is really no need to propose when both parties are already in agreement. They both already know they want to marry haha

Bobcut is like "We dont need to decide, but it's gonna be me." lol

Not sure what I expected with this title. Seems to be lighthearted fun, nothing wrong with that.
Of course the Yukionna would be the only one who is into it (and MC didnt even harrass the vampire).

by asking for the butter dog she basically said she wants to be eaten out tho, can this be any more subtle?

that´d be true if we were talking about canon character from the novel like kumiko and reina from euphonium, people knew that there was no way that they´d end up together, because in the novel kumiko ends up with tsukamoto, but it´s a different case with dekomori she was tacked on the story, there´s no source material for her, writters don´t have a storyline to follow, they can writte anything they want. If at the end of the novel nibutani were to find a boyfriend like kumiko that´d be a different story because in that case the writtes have to follow the novel, but i don´t think that´s the case so at this specific case the source material doesn´t really matter

Nibutani is the lynchpin here. Her ending in the novels decides what KyoAni can do. Therefore Dekkomori's side doesn't matter. She could even be openly gay for Nibutani, it would change nothing.

I mean we all know that no there´s no way nibutani and dekomori end up together(mostly because at this point the franchise is over) but that has nothing to do with the source material, like @TheLostLight already said that just how kyoani works being maid dragon the only exception. That being said the anime does have strong subtext that´s a fact, there´s strong evidence that nibutani and dekomori may or may not be in love, but come on dude we work with less than that nico and maki barely talk at the anime the subtext between yui and azu-nyan is barely noticeable if you don´t use your yuri goggles. If your logic is "if is not on the source material fuck it " you´re pretty much skipping 30% of this site content

That's why I am not a shipper. I only give credence to pairings that have solid support in the actual series. Subtext is not always good subtext. I can look at a Love Live image and say "Ha that's cute". Do I ship it? Of course not. Never gonna happen and completely OOC. Those shows are bait.

Now when I look at something like Demon Girl Next Door on the other hand, the subtext is very straightforward and ramps up over time. Confirmation is lacking of course, but it's a work in progress. I don't really ship the characters so much as I predict where the author will go with them and what the intention is. Authorial intent supersedes wishful thinking of the fans. There are also series like Neptunia which have subtext and it is clear what the devs actually intent romance wise, but are shackled by their need to sell games and thus cannot proceed with that intention.

NibuDekko is a dead end on all levels. Even if I think the subtext is there and it is quite obvious the anime team at least was genuine in their attempt to give this subtext, I also know they just did it to give Nibutani more substance and have more cute girls in the show. They saw that the dynamic was lacking something and inserted Dekkomori to supplement that. As a friend for Rikka and as a foil for Nibutani she works wonders and is not intrusive on the source material. As a romantic interest however she becomes more problematic.
Exactly because this is KyoAni I can never believe that this was ever intended to go anywhere beyond teasing.

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How can her Pixie page only have 3 followers? Including me?

https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=9109460
Or am I reading it wrong?

Yes you are.
Because for me it says only 2 followers.

That's a crying shame. I dont have a Pixiv account, so I can't follow her. Definitely needs way more attention.

Aira is not resisting her yuri urges too strongly. In fact she seems to lose to them resoundingly.
Looking forward to her not being in constant denial like most heroines.

Tsugu is a ball of fluff and airheadedness. I don't expect her to get a clue any time soon.

a few drawings in chapter two look very hentai-ish:

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pocha_climb_ch02#14
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pocha_climb_ch02#16

usually a sign that the story isn't going to be all that wholesome. hopefully it remains cute.

So low angle shot = hentai-ish.
Ok then lol

Just how nice caring girls come to fall in love with selfish arrogant useless ones ?
It's a mystery )

I think you might be in the wrong thread.

^That's an insult to Yoruichi if I've ever seen one.

That's the power of Ufotable. At this point they just can't go wrong.

They also picked an It can't go wrong kind of manga too, also yes if we can expect future lead characters like Tanjirou or Deku (or ....well maybe mostly like Tanjirou) who think before they act and don't try to be edgy or mega idiotic cough*black clover*cough then the future of anime might be in good hands, this is a nice new trend in shonen... don't make your MC stupid!

Ufotable made Tales of Zestiria not suck. That's more than enough proof that anything they touch gets elevated.

Well it's kind of funny, there were always smart MCs in Shounen stories, but the dumb ones get more popular. Basic notions like courage, friendship and hard work despite not being gifted are the banners of Shounen Jump. It's more directly impressive when the MC isn't super smart, but overcomes the hurdles through emotional outbursts and sheer willpower.
Smart MCs seem more adult, disassociating the teen audience. They are also harder to write. I always think there are only a couple of ways to write a truly smart character:
1. Write the story around them so that they are smart because they figure things out that you already thought up. They aren't actually "smart", the author just allows them to know more than they should be able to.
2. Just say they are smart and don't explain shit. They can just vaguely do super smart things (like building robots or hack shit, even though its never shown how they do it).
3. The author actually knows their shit on a certain topic and revolves their entire manga around that, so he is able to actually give the MC smart moments, because the author can in fact explain the concepts intelligently themselves.

You can''t have an all around believable smart MC, because no author is actually a genius themselves. Someone who has a high IQ and can write smart scenarios around every conceivable topic doesn't exist. So we have a choice between caricatures of intelligent MCs or dumb, but relatable MCs.

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It is well what I say at the beginning is not the lack of drama that is the cause of the failure of this manga, it is its use and that the cause is anything but realistic with nene.

Going in circles now. You're really good at that Stannis. I'm done~