In unoffical chp84 translation, Sumin mentioned "our house". Who are "our"? SuminxSeju or SuminxSungji?

here is the thing.. it's unclear linguistic wise.. later I will ask yoonie who is much better in Korean.

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Did I read right or Sumin said she wanted to celebrate on Sejus actual birthday?

No, it seems that Sungji is the one who said that,
Sungji: I wanted to celebrate her birthday on the day, I thought it was something that CEO-Nim needed the most then.
Sumin: ...
Sumin: you are right Sungji <- Sumin is agreeing with what Sungji said about Seju's birthday

yoonie0104

With SuminxSungji's deep relationship, only "I like you" is not strong enough, especially in this kind of honest confession, it should be "I love you" "사랑해요". Thus, I lean more on the first option than the second one.

this is that too, Sungji is also drunk.. has conflicted feelings and so has Sumin. This is very much a reminder of the scene in ch41 (if you read it side to side with this chapter, it feels like both of them are back to that square). This again makes me think Sungji wanted Sumin to assure her same way in that chapter. And well, Sumin wouldn't say I love you unless her hand is busy somewhere XD

hlama

The moving in part - I think sungi was giving sumin a gentle push to move out because she knew it was seju's house. She did not really mean to move in. I had a feeling that sungi would not mind if sumin did not want to live together yet, but she would be uneasy if sumin did not move out of there.

very interesting!.. never thought of it this way.

last edited at Jun 19, 2017 8:09PM

I might be wrong and we need to wait for the official translation for this. The problem is the lack of pronouns again in those sentences :)

ah, official translation !! I still get a heartburn from ch83 officials.. but yeah, the meaning you explained makes a great sense as well.

however, in the last one though Sumin said: "I like you Sungji-ssi". so she meant Sungji and probably Sungji meant "say I like you"

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I am truly amazed by all of you XD.. y'all overthink too :D

in addition to what was already mentioned, this chapter Sumin said: "I like you." NOT " I love you".

Take a look at ch41:

• Sungji hides her frustration
• Guilty Sumin
• Sungji who would ask for one more assurance "I like you", and nothing direct.
• Sumin who would avoid sex at first "I don't know if she will still avoid it next chapter too"

where is this going? well.. I quote Foxy lady "I think we are coming into a loop and this time... the same events but different.."

• will this time Sumin answer Sungji's questions directly or prefer her to go ask Nammi instead, ch46 ?.. because clearly, Sungji has a lot more to understand

Vanbun

Indirectly, Seju even teased that there is no worry to get drunk because sumin will guard them (both sungji and seju) and it seems she has done that before. If seju always drunk violently, will the cheating happen if sumin at least be there for seju?

I think Seju meant that Sungji is the one to guard both Sumin and Seju (since she never gets drunk). Well, last time Seju got drunk, it was quite violent at some measure between them both.

Does it means sumin already forgive seju way before but too embarrassed and just have a chance to redeem it with sungji help?

mhmm.. very important question, even if she did forgave her.. she still doesn't trust her. I even track it to ch64

roamsl

^ she has this bartender phobia thing. It's not actually what's gonna happen, but the implication and effect it made after the bartender incident. It's just what i think. No proof

ah, keep them coming girl.. you don't have to prove them. XDDD

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roamsl

I think to avoid something to happen ( bartender) so she can look after seju when she's drunk.

very very very brilliant ! if so, then that implies a lot of things
my God, does Sumin deep down feels guilty for it!

Sumin doesnt drink when Seju drinks, she only pours for herself a glass after she takes Seju to the bed, lollll.

very true, again in ch54. I wonder why!

roamsl

I checked that few hours ago, sumin knew sungji likes her because of how she looks. Makes me wonder if what really are her intentions. It was clear before that she was only physically attracted to sumin (based on the conversations of that chapter). But now? What do you think?

besides her looks, also Authority characteristics, challange.. and after a long talk with Foxy lady I am pretty much convinced that Sungji was also pushed to this relationship because she feels that Sumin needs her, give a look to ch12 and ch14 (what Seju told her) and add to that how she thinks of Seju and her effect on Sumin, hehehe I remember her reaction in ch77. Does she love Sumin or she thinks that she loves her.. mmmhm

yoonie
wow, for a moment I thought you hijacked my brain XD, what else did you see there :P

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roamsl

Back to the story,sungji said it's hard to have romantic moments with sumin, sungji acknowledged the baggage sumin has.

True. this caught my eyes too: http://imgur.com/a/przz1
going in circles with this Sumin she has XD, but for this time she openly asks for assurance.

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roamsl

As for wdtfs, IMO, as long as they keep the triangle, it will sell.

which triangle exactly? XD.. this one a lone has 6 obvious tangled triangles. I even drew it on my note book :'D.
I don't know.. they just keep the pace steady, and the events realistic as much as possible.. btw, ch82,83,84 all happened on the same exact day.

since I'm at it, the simple cake during ch79 lunch triggered ch82 conversation between Sungji and her sister in Law which triggered a new perspective for Sungji, leading her to make a cake in ch83 which later led us to the birthday party of ch84.. which we don't know yet where it will lead us later on XD. Have some faith in them

You have so much passion and put a lot of effort in this story and i think you feel hurt or insulted by our comments with the money but please don't.

not insulted really, I understand the frustration.. I'm trying to say that we don't really know yet what part is a filler and what part is a plot tool just yet.
well, it kinda hurts a bit when I hear that they prolong it for the money only when they could sell like crazy if they show us what we want in the first place.

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Vanbun

The guilt part was going on waaaaay before this chapter.. I don't know how longer could she keep it going this way.

And ah, Sungji has changed a lot.. not only what we could call "mature" but she became a darker personality trapped between those two. This is not the same Sungji we saw in arc1 or 2, a simple looking back can open our eyes on how much she isn't as innocent and naive as she once was. How much could she keep this going on. (clearly Sungji is hurting, jealous and confused even though she acts nice to everyone, she is still seem to hide something)

As for Seju, she already got made.. she already felt every pain she could feel.. also how long could she keep it

there must be something that would break their dynamics greatly. I don't want the next move to be Sumin's or Seju's.

I don't agree with the money thing one bit.. for a very simple reason: many Manhwas that has no story and whatsoever are selling like crazy.. very lame examples will be: Killing-Stalking, Good boy (he does a body good), and Pulse.

since there is a yearning for events, it already means that we are hyped anyway.. and we are anticipating for something, and there is a great story behind this yearning and anticipation. If it was dragging only for the money and nothing to add to the story, could you really expect next chapter ? were you even able to expect ch54 events after ch53?

In fact, we don't even know the proportion of official copies readers to the those who never bought any copies in the first place.. so how much money do you think they lost?. Only sad part is that WDTFS is a 10 days release instead of a weakly one. If the story pace was faster than this, I bet we would read complains on how rushed and fast the ending was.

As a person who is genuinely invested in this work, I find Team Gaji as artists who are more concerned about showing their own story honestly and unapologetically to us and caring less about what we want and expect to see. and that's what makes me respect them even more. We could never guess anything and we could never know what's important right away.

And just to make it clearer, once I listed a long list of very subtle clues (conversion for example) in past chapters which were used for greater purposes in the story. Can we really know that this chapter doesn't add to the story! I wonder

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anyways, this chapter does tackle many points that Foxy lady discussed just recently:

• Sumin barely ever saw a drunk Seju
• Sungji has a misconception about Seju's violence "handed down by Nammi + ch55 Alcohol & Sumin's shirt button"
• words that Sungji recalled have been said to her before.. but when/who ?

If you are interested in parallelism:

1. ch64 ( flashback: car talk ⬌ ch84 bed talk)
2. and you may not want to miss the one between ch54 ⬌ ch84 as well.
3. check ch8 as well.

Will next chapter contain sex?

• most probably no, regardless of the last bubble, sex would not happen one way or another and it could be because:

1. Sumin already dropped the wine bottle to pull Sungji's shirt down.
2. Sungji isn't really okay.. something is wrong.
3. Seju is sleeping, but she might suffer again from PTSD.

In case something really happens, as I said, Sumin would bring her emotions to bed, it will be hard to hide them this time from the already jealous/alerted Sungji.

What is clear to me is sungji is jealous or disturbed with their obvious over familiarity with each other.

that's very true, even yoonie said this is the clearest thing.

it's just ch26,ch54 and now they all showed us a drunk Seju. I have a feeling that this Manhwa could end in 90 chapters.

roamsl

have you noticed that we only see Seju drunk when a season's finale is approaching XD.. there was something going on during Sumin and Seju's converation.. I couldn't get what it is just yet.

I'm not even sure who's mind was thinking of those words. Was it sungji?

yes, she was the one to think about them.

also, there is a sharp gaze of Sungji as she holds Sumin.. was she really drunk ?

also: if sex is the thing, why did Sumin pull Sungji's shirt down!

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roamsl

Really? It's not i love you? But am right to say, sungi didn't say it back because the second one, the speech bubble didn't point to sungji even though her whole face is on the panel.

correct, even her mouth is closed

I'm pretty sure it's sex. Kiss and touch, what could possibly be even more better than that if it's not sex. As you've said before, sumin puts het emotions in bed. And Sungji, well, they're both horny. Hehehe

also correct heheh.. the thing is, there are two echoing words in Sungji's mind.. the question is, who said them to her ?

secondly, it's a night time.. someone could have a nice dream XD! I wonder if it's really going to happen.

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roamsl in fact, it was "I like you", I was discussing with yoonie what could happen if sex was the thing they would do XD

... I.. I uh
I changed my word to team-manager.. and already finished translating...
...sorry.. but I think those words are quite interchangeable, if you can tell me why team-leader is more fitting, please tell me.
in any case there would only be one more chapter so please forgive me for this one and next one....

Team leader is how the whole Manhwa went, changing titles right now showed me that the person did the official translation isn't familiar with it. my God, I wish I could show you all the mistakes in this particualr chapter from the official translator!! and it's a paid chapter !!!! btw, you had a better grasp of the tone & context in this one.

if you would like, I can send you my comments on private, just give me you contact details.

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Anonymous__
Hello again, yes the official one for ch83 is a mess, yours made a better sense, let me give you an example: http://imgur.com/a/7JN9G

the official translation destroyed the impact greatly.. the translation was a mess. Yours kept the sense much better
also, you did better in the flirty line that Seju made.. and with the pretending sentense.
these are just exmaples.. but all in all, the whole official translation of ch83 is bad, unartistic and lost the orginal meaning!!
I can show you more examples if you would like.

However, I could never provide you with any Ko- Eng translation advices, all I can is making sure that the context is intact, and if there was a refrence to previous chapter, I might be able to detect it like the ch83. That's all I could do.

Edit: seriously!! did I pay to read a ridiculous meaningless line like the one I posted above!!! and what's "Team Manager" ! aboviously this official translator is not very familiar with this manhwa and his/her translation is so obscenely immature! the loss of tone and context is too severe to overlook

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Seems like Sungji is letting go :). I think I win the bet now Nora

yoonie, you are confuseing me XD. I need to understand what's going on though

Methetruth

well well, sharp eyes.. it makes sense now, I get you.

K3n
you are always welcome, you are not interrupting anything

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Sumin's face after put the blanket on Seju look like Seju face at the end of the flashback in chp55.

I tried to get you.. could you explain more ?

anyways, now more than ever I can't believe that WDTFS is ending next chapter. It can't be true