So her ex was 2 years older. My guess is they broke up when her ex graduated, bet the ex pulled the traditional Class S yuri trope of "well can't be gay anymore time to find a man instead" bs...

That or the classic "We were just fooling around!! Who i really love is rando-kun who i was also dating when i was dating you!!"

I hate the whole all girl school just playing love games trope. It's like the manga author reassuring the readers; "Don't worry these girls aren't really gay, they just have limited options. When they graduate they will properly date men".

I mean, the entire point of it appearing in contemporary manga is usually about how harmful and outdated that mindset is and how it's hurt the main characters, and to contrast the love of the main characters, which is usually shown in some way to be different. Like, that's a relic of Class S works, it usually shows up specifically to rail against it.

While I admit recent yuri seem be moving away from the whole love games trope, the nasty buisness still rears it's ugly head, from time to time. I don't know about showing the trope being hurtful, but I do see manga authors starting to show it as wrong thinking. A balm for my yuri skeptic heart.

I know this was an important chapter, with some powerful emotions. However I can't get past the question; Why was the sugar in the refrigerator?

To keep the ants out of it.

Huh. That makes sense, I guess. I've never heard of it before though.

Our sugar is kept in the refrigerator, to keep the ants out. Seriously.

I don't doubt it. I've just never heard of it. I guess we just never had that trouble before. Which is weird, because we have terrible ant problems, they just leave our sugar alone.

I really gotta say, I don't feel like there's much point to that comment except picking a fight.

No Blastaar is right it's all good. Although I'm not sure how to take being called a stuff donkey with a nail stuck in his ass.

So her ex was 2 years older. My guess is they broke up when her ex graduated, bet the ex pulled the traditional Class S yuri trope of "well can't be gay anymore time to find a man instead" bs...

That or the classic "We were just fooling around!! Who i really love is rando-kun who i was also dating when i was dating you!!"

I hate the whole all girl school just playing love games trope. It's like the manga author reassuring the readers; "Don't worry these girls aren't really gay, they just have limited options. When they graduate they will properly date men".

A while back I read a rather large collection of autobiographical short stories, about the authors' first time experience with another woman. I was absolutely shocked how many women were in their thirties and forties with comlpetely no clue they could be attracted to another woman. there was even one story written by a woman in her sixties.

Would you happen to remember the title of the book? Or was it on the net somewhere?

There was a series of books. They were called Early Embraces. I still have one. There was another book called Awakening the Virgin. A series of autobiographical stories, by lesbians who gave women their first same sex encounter. I got them off Amazon, but I haven't seen them listed in years.

Edit: Honestly I would not trust the origins of anything I found on the internet. I pretty sure most of the lesbian sex stuff on the internet is just the fantasy of some poor lonely guy, no matter how much they insists it's writen by a woman.

Edit2: The stories are well writen, at least they seemed that way to me. This site is cottening me to the fact that the definition of well writen is subjective.

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I know this was an important chapter, with some powerful emotions. However I can't get past the question; Why was the sugar in the refrigerator?

To keep the ants out of it.

Huh. That makes sense, I guess. I've never heard of it before though.

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I know this was an important chapter, with some powerful emotions. However I can't get past the question; Why was the sugar in the refrigerator?

I'm sorry, like, I dunno how many times I can say this explicitly? I never said her attraction to Satou was subtextual. I said Hinako being a gay person is subtextual.

I absolutely under no circumstances think she won't end up in a romance with Satou. I'm talking about her general identity and romance patterns.
Thanks, this is exactly what I mean, phrased more concisely. I'd add, her general issues are so related to being gay ("Forcing myself to be a normal woman isn't working!"), I have a hard time imagining her overcoming those issues without, at some point, confronting her sexuality.

Well, but this is kind of my point. Would Japanese readers be more likely to find it rude to talk about the specific way you're not normal, even in a story that celebrates not being normal? That is, the yuri readers want yuri, but they might bristle at talking about that stuff out loud? If it's just an ineffable "I like sempai even though we're both girls!" then it's ambiguous and vague. If it's "yo what's up I'm a lesbian," it makes things concrete.

You have to keep in mind that the premise is set in Japan with a "typical" japanese woman as main character.
Japan isn't anywhere near big on LGBTQ knowledge, it's entirely plausible for the thought of being explicitly lesbian to have never even occurred to her, realistic even. Over there, being any kind of alternate sexuality is a very foreign concept that's more associated with the western world and normal japanese people rarely run in to it in real life.

The whole idea of the story is that a "normal" woman starts a journey of self-discovery (prompted by encountering another woman who makes her incredibly happy to be around for some reason) and slowly coming to understand herself better as she is rather than as what she thought she had to be according to society and the people around her.

Her character's entire conflict is that she's been obsessed with being "normal" and finding "normal happiness", the only reason she's breaking away from it now is that she's had enough experience to conclude that she's "too broken to be normal" and it's prompted her to re-evaluate herself and her views. If anything it would be very odd for her character to conclude something as outlandish as "maybe I'm gay" without some very drastic cause.

A while back I read a rather large collection of autobiographical short stories, about the authors' first time experience with another woman. I was absolutely shocked how many women were in their thirties and forties with comlpetely no clue they could be attracted to another woman. there was even one story written by a woman in her sixties.

For as well written as I find Uno-san - and I really do think she's incredibly well realized as a character, especially for a manga with a fairly cliche premise - I'm still not sold on Satou. She doesn't feel nearly as well written or realized or developed. I know we're only 5 chapters in so there's presumably still a lot of room for her to grow, but whether Satou is gay, or dense, or knows more than she lets on, if she likes Uno-san (she does), if she knows she likes Uno-san, etc. etc. I really hope she grows as a character soon.

Her sister, on the other hand? Great so far.

I think Satou is gay, and out to her sister, but resigned herself to the single life. Why? I don't know.

Probablty something to do with her dead parents and not bringing problems to Subaru, and focusing on rasing her

Yeah I figure it's something along that line too. But I don't like jumping to conclusions. A lot of times manga characters' motives end up being way less staight forward than I would have expected.
I really hope to see Subaru play match maker more. I nearly died laughing when she suggested wrecking Uno's date.

For as well written as I find Uno-san - and I really do think she's incredibly well realized as a character, especially for a manga with a fairly cliche premise - I'm still not sold on Satou. She doesn't feel nearly as well written or realized or developed. I know we're only 5 chapters in so there's presumably still a lot of room for her to grow, but whether Satou is gay, or dense, or knows more than she lets on, if she likes Uno-san (she does), if she knows she likes Uno-san, etc. etc. I really hope she grows as a character soon.

Her sister, on the other hand? Great so far.

I think Satou is gay, and out to her sister, but resigned herself to the single life. Why? I don't know.

For a second I thought that the story might end here with an ambiguous hook up. I glad it didn't. I just hope it isn't heading for some bullshit het ending like Uno's friendship with Satou gives Uno the confidence to date men properly. At this point I don't think so, but it wouldn't be the first time a yuri story had a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot het ending.

Usui Shito does have 5 other yuri manga on here, with varying levels of explicitness.

I'm just just saying I'd rather it end here, like this this, than it go a bunch more chapters Then have it turn out that Uno and Satou's friendship was just the catalyst to bring Satou out of her shell, and give Uno self respect, so she can finally fall in love. If I read 12+ chapters just to have the take away to be Uno hooking up with Sakagami-kun, and Satou befriending the other office ladies, it would feel like a real stab in the back.

That fear seems relatively unfounded given how blatantly in love Hinako is with Satou.

I agree my fear is highly unlikely, given that this story most assuredly is about Uno discovering her true sexuality, However I've read stories that I thought were cut and dried yuri, that suddenly took an inexplicable het turn before.
I do think we are heading for at least one awkward Uno/Sakagami-kun date before the story is over. (Edit My bet is she will actually go out with him for a while. All along struggling with her growing feelings for Satou.)

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For a second I thought that the story might end here with an ambiguous hook up. I glad it didn't. I just hope it isn't heading for some bullshit het ending like Uno's friendship with Satou gives Uno the confidence to date men properly. At this point I don't think so, but it wouldn't be the first time a yuri story had a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot het ending.

Usui Shito does have 5 other yuri manga on here, with varying levels of explicitness.

I'm just just saying I'd rather it end here, like this this, than it go a bunch more chapters Then have it turn out that Uno and Satou's friendship was just the catalyst to bring Satou out of her shell, and give Uno self respect, so she can finally fall in love. If I read 12+ chapters just to have the take away to be Uno hooking up with Sakagami-kun, and Satou befriending the other office ladies, it would feel like a real stab in the back.

For a second I thought that the story might end here with an ambiguous hook up. I glad it didn't. I just hope it isn't heading for some bullshit het ending like Uno's friendship with Satou gives Uno the confidence to date men properly. At this point I don't think so, but it wouldn't be the first time a yuri story had a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot het ending.

I always get annoyed when girls in a yuri story say say stuff like relationships between girls are impossible. I just think what rock have you been living under?

There are many things in the world that disturb me purely for existing. Expecting nothing in the world to disturb you, to the point you want to eliminate anything that does, is a toxic though process. Live and let live is the best life advice I've ever heard.

Normally I'd whole heartedly agree with you. However I feel there are lines that can't be crossed, without expecting outrage. For example a story that promotes violence, against a particular race or group is understandingly going to make people mad. I would not want to live in a world where it didn't. A story glorifying pedophilia fits that bill. After all it's promoting a type of violence against children. If you think about it the light hearted nature of this particular story makes it even worse, because it makes pedophilia look harmless when it's anything but.

Edit: I guess the bottom line is any story that promotes hatred, bigotry, and/or violence is fair game for angry criticism, in my book.

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Serenata posted:

God, forgive me for what I am about to read https://youtu.be/qQ3ZVmXNgt0

Lol, this version actually sounds great xD

I read newest chapter randomly on a whim and rotfl it's hilarious. I laughed so much. No clue how anyone can take any of this seriously.

Look I'm not profoundly offended by this stuff, but I can totally understand why people would be deeply disturbed by a girl hungry pedophile being the star of a light hearted gag manga, especially anybody who had been the victim of one.

If it offends you, then don't read it. Especially people who have had traumas. I don't know why they would want to subject themselves to it. The world isn't black and white.

First of all: I was just answering Nevri's question on how anyone could take any of this seriously.
Second this is a real touchy subject. It's very existence might disturb some people. It's a story about a pedophile, of goodness sake. I hope we can all agree pedophiles are bad. While I don't think liking this story nesesserily makes a person a horrible pervert. I think it's insentative to simply tell triggered people you don't like it don't read.

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Serenata posted:

God, forgive me for what I am about to read https://youtu.be/qQ3ZVmXNgt0

Lol, this version actually sounds great xD

I read newest chapter randomly on a whim and rotfl it's hilarious. I laughed so much. No clue how anyone can take any of this seriously.

Look I'm not profoundly offended by this stuff, but I can totally understand why people would be deeply disturbed by a girl hungry pedophile being the star of a light hearted gag manga, especially anybody who had been the victim of one.

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1. I'm way more distracted by the fact that somehow glove that Nika was holding got blown by the wind. Seriously never heard of that before and it hurts my suspension of disbelief so hard, it makes me feel like author didn't really think it through and came up with that sudden accident on a whim, just for a dramatic plot twist.

Honestly I thought Nika threw it, until she ran out into traffic after it.

I think the accident is merely to stall Nikaidou, she'll miss her deadline with Kurumi because she'll be at the hospital. Kurumi will think Nika left her for good, and Kyouko will confess.

That would be my guess too.

This author really loves their cliffhangers...

Before Truck-kun appeared though, it kinda felt like Nika was starting to realize she had gotten over her feelings for Jun though, so I guess we're headed for Nika/Kurumi endgame.

me too, it felt like she was going to let go at that instant before the glove truck kun incident.

I have a bad feeling about this tho, either Nika gets hurt and she goes to the hospital and I don't know what happens there

or Jun gets hurt and then Nika will want to stay by his side since she will feel guilty and that will add a whole new layer of drama to her relationship with Kurumi

The possiblity that the truck hitting Jun would make Nika want to be with him, either out of guilt or mistaking her deep gratitude for risking his life for her as love, crossed my mind. However is there a reason you guys are giving the stupid truck a honorific. And why does it have to be male.

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Is this manga like sold in plain brown wrappers, out of curtained back rooms, like weird fetish porn?

No, it's Japan. Yes, I actually saw this prominently displayed in a bookstore (on a stand on a display table) in Hiroshima. I actually cracked up a little. No, I didn't buy it. I did, however, buy two volumes of Parfait.

A while back. There was a group of translators that used pages from their chapters, that they would rewrite humorously as their credit page. One chapter had a page where the mc's bestie threatened to rape her. The translator group simply reprinted it with the caption GODDAMNIT JAPAN in bold print. I think this whole manga fits that perfectly.

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What's the difference between a friend and a lover? Well we will let you know as soon as we can reach a consensus.

It's like a weird perverted version of The Gift of the Magi.

Is this manga like sold in plain brown wrappers, out of curtained back rooms, like weird fetish porn?

What a dumbass
Like, how do you not know about infinity? Ain't you never seen Toy Story?

To infinity and beyond you dumbass

Ah man I was going to make a toy story joke, and you had to go and beat me to it.

Oh well I can't let a good groner go to waste. This story takes yuri TO INFINITY AND BEYOND! Your welcome everyone.