It is a fairly common youkai in any series that features such things I feel, but you are right that it hardly seems threatening hehe. Then again I don't think all of them are supposed to either.

I wish I could remember the name but there's a manga about a human girl in a monster school who's pretending to be a succubus, and one of her best friends is an akaname

I think that's on this site. just scroll through groupings for the monster girl tag and you should find it quickly.

Also, Silky made me think of The Ancient Magus' Bride, clearly the best character in that story!

I'm unfamiliar with that one. However Silky is cute.

A monster that eats dirt off people and things??? Japan is a weird place. I mean how are you going to scare the kiddies with that one?
(with a flashlight under my chin in a darkened room) "... and when the man woke up, he was clean from head to toe, and the bathtub was spotless!" (maniacal laugh, children scream)

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Admittedly I really don't know much about lesbian physical attraction, but I'm pretty sure the fact that Haiji is not bother about being naked with Sarara, means Sarara has a long way to go, if she wants Haiji to fall in love with her.

A molester is a problem every highschool girl has to deal with at least once!? Is that true!? Because if it is, it makes me ashamed to be a guy.

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I've been noticing the pairing tags for a while. Is this based another manga?

Wow this story is so cute. And to think, I thought this was going to be a cheap gag manga, where the whole shtick was going to to be Mizuki coming up with increasingly elaborate plans to get Satomi to break up with her, without revealing she's a girl. I guess I should have had more faith in majoccoid and Mochi Au Lait .

But HOW IN THE HELL CAN SATOMI POSSIBLY THINK MITZUKI IS A BOY!?

Edit: I wonder what does Mizuki do when she needs to use the bathroom, whens she is out with Satomi? Does she sneak off and use the woman's room? Or does she just say screw it, and use the men's room?

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I both love and hate the messy romance stories. And this one is about as messy as they come.

Still the whole point of the overreacting gag, is that the listener completely misinterprets what they have been told, hearing, something innocent and imaging something lewd. Akiho came to the right conclusion, just wrong gender. I think the fact the author thought that would be funny, reflects the author's underling feelings about lesbian sex. It implies Fuuka being sexually stalked by horrible sex crazed men, BAD! Fuuka being sexually stalked by horrible sex crazed women Okay. Otherwise what the hell is funny about it.

I think what will happen when Akiho sees that Fuuka's neighbors are both girls, is that she'll at first go "Oh damn, I was completely mistaken. They're both women, so obviously they're genuinely nice..." before sooner or later seeing one or both of the neighbors in action and go "OMFG THEY'RE LESBIANS?! SO I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!?"

If That's the case i'll admit I was wrong. Quietly, to myself, when no one else is around to hear.

^^ Both of you have good points. After all sexual harassment and molestation is taken pretty lightly in most of manga and anime. Still the whole point of the overreacting gag, is that the listener completely misinterprets what they have been told, hearing, something innocent and imaging something lewd. Akiho came to the right conclusion, just wrong gender. I think the fact the author thought that would be funny, reflects the author's underling feelings about lesbian sex. It implies Fuuka being sexually stalked by horrible sex crazed men, BAD! Fuuka being sexually stalked by horrible sex crazed women Okay. Otherwise what the hell is funny about it.

I think you are overthinking the whole situation. Sexual harassment is used as a joke not just in Japan but all over the world (I'm not saying that is right, just presenting the fact) and for me the joke was that the new girl is dead on on her assumptions just mistaking the genders, Whit again, is a comum joke. I don't think the author is trying to say lesbian sex is inferior, they are just using comum jokes lol

Yeah, I realised that after jintor and Boob Twinkler (sorry but that handle makes me cringe) pointed it out. The sexual harassment being made light of as a wholes was just an after thought anyway.
I don't think I'm over thinking my main point about the author implying het sexual molestaion BAD! lesbian sexual molestation okay. Because I reached that conclusion through one simple thought: I don't get it. I finished the chapter thinking huh why is that funny?
I've seen that gag done in manga and anime literaly dozens of times. The comedy stems from the person listening, misunderstanding and jumping to the hilariously wrong conclusion that their friend is being taken advantage of. Except in this case Akiho was pretty much dead on. Only making the understandable mistake, that the sexual predators after Fuuka are male. So the only thing I could think of is the gender asumption is the hilarious misunderstanding,, and the only way that is funny, is if being taken advantage of by men, BAD, being taken advantage of by other women, okay.
But hay I could easily proven wrong by Akiho's reaction when she meets said sexual predators.

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^^ Both of you have good points. After all sexual harassment and molestation is taken pretty lightly in most of manga and anime. Still the whole point of the overreacting gag, is that the listener completely misinterprets what they have been told, hearing, something innocent and imaging something lewd. Akiho came to the right conclusion, just wrong gender. I think the fact the author thought that would be funny, reflects the author's underling feelings about lesbian sex. It implies Fuuka being sexually stalked by horrible sex crazed men, BAD! Fuuka being sexually stalked by horrible sex crazed women Okay. Otherwise what the hell is funny about it.

I love Mira it's like she's got the mind of a horny teenage boy. I could do without the exaggerated boobs though. I never thought it looked sexy, just weird.

Edit: Is it really gay of pay, if the whole concept of gay is meaningless?

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See see! The croud of girls fawning over the school "prince" proves that the whole love game trope is alive and well. Even if it's just in the back drop of an actual lesbian love story.

The author seems to be impling that Akiho is totally overreacting to Fuuka's situation, because of some humorous misunderstanding, but other than getting the neighbors' genders mixed up, she is dead on. It might be my overactive inner social justice warrior talking but it seems to imply that It's no big deal, that Fuuka is being sexually harassed because it's women doing it.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, the whole premise of this manga is a woman being sexually harassed by anothe woman is comedy gold.

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To Johnb:

female pedophilia gets overlooked as "maternal love"?! That's crazy! What mother makes out with her children?!

It's not like that. Mothers don't just wake up and think "mm, I want to suck my baby's d|çk !". It just happens and the adult becomes aware, only when it's already gone too far. It's subtle. that is the "soft" case, there are outright rape cases but it's a matter of sadism and not love or anything close, and there are the incest cases, which happen much later, mostly with pubescent children. Here again, it comes from feelings who developed quite some time before anything happens. Depending on the age and country it can be legal... like in Japan or in France.

I get your point, I just brought it up to set up the threesom, penthouse line. I guess that joke fell flat.

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Last parenthesis: Johnb you should talk to more people out of your comfort zone. Any psychoanalysist will tell you that female "pedo" are more numerous than male ones, but it's seen as "maternal love" and overlooked.
Yes we do love slasher because evil b|tçh$ being slaughtered. We do not "not mind" fictional murders, we love it.
Minalinsky, male or female I love you .-) . You're a person I would like to hang around with IRL, probably. A highly "cultured" person.

female pedophilia gets overlooked as "maternal love"?! That's crazy! What mother makes out with her children?! Well except maybe those weird ones that do threesoms with their adult daughters, and random guys, that you occasionally read about in Penthouse Forums. Um... So I've been told. I would never read that stuff myself (eyes darting back and forth nervously).

I don't doubt that female pedophilies get overlooked, though. I was watching a movie the other day. In the movie a doctor met a little boy and gave him a few old books. When the boy's mom found out that a stranger gave her kid gifts, she freaked out. She marched right over to the docter's office, and started ranting to a woman she thought was the doctor's nurse. The mom went on and on demanding to see the doctor. Yelling how it was inappropriate for him to give little boys gilts, and she would alert the authorities is he didn't b leave her boy alone. When the woman finally got a word in, and informed the mom she was the doctor. Suddenly the mom was fine with it.

I will admit do to circumstances out of my control, I live a very sheltered and narrow life. However as an over privileged american I still can tell you what's wrong with this world, and exactly what to do to fix it. I do try to peak into the world through books and movies.

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Yes, people only watch slasher movies because they like a good scare. The fact that when it comes to girls, those who aren't "muh purity" types have their deaths be especially graphic is a total coincidence, of course. All our good upstanding citizens wouldn't dream of wishing harm upon young girls. Of course.

I can count the number of slasher movies I've enjoyed on one hand and still have a middle finger left over for anyone who accuses me of internalized misogyny. There's a lot more to splatter films than '80s American drive-in schlock, e.g. splatstick like Dead Sushi (2012).

Liking Dead Sushi, doesn't mean you're a serial killer. It means you have bad taste. blek! But you're not alone my dumbass friends loved it. They laughed their asses off. I cringed through the whole thing.

Once again for the record. When I said "Those bitches got what was coming to them" I ment bitches in a general gender neutral way, referring to all of those assholes that the heroic serial killer "taught a lesson to".

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I've watched a ton of horror movies and splatter films, and according to the logic I'm reading in this thread that means I'm either a potential ax murder or fantasize regularly about massacring the people in my neighborhood.

That depends. When you watch those movies, are you watching because you like a good scare? Are you geeking out of the grossness of the special effects? Or are you thinking "those bitches got what's coming to them"? Edit: because if it's the last one you might be a potential ax murderer.
I think I made it clear that I didn't think just because someone likes this doen't nessessrily make them a pedophile.

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My line, as a PUBLISHER, not a lawyer of any kind, would be to refuse publish rapey material, kids or not. Let all the rest, including "all the way" but with a minimum of style and consent (no outright physical violence involved, if you prefer).
Online is another story entirely. Publish any rapey disgusting sadist murderrape with pupy and disabled blind trisomic, I don't care. In fact I did read stuff like that, and I felt nothing. Only pussies can't stomach ridiculous fictional settings like these.
Johnb, you might consider not being honest with yourself... For the sake of loli I doubt anyone reading itou hachi continuously can be without our common perversion. Confess, man, we're between men of hum, "culture"...
And nothing is a crime in your head. [VPN mode=off]

Confess huh. Well here it goes. I find stories like this disturbing. However I'm intrigued by the fact that a woman wrote it. It may be sexist, but I don't really think of women having these kinds of proclivities . And I find that Itou Hachi apparently does... interesting. well as long she isn't practicing what she preachers

Honestly I struggle with the question: " If I enjoy this kind of story, what does that say about me"?

Well duh, it'd obviously say that you enjoy this kind of story.

More importantly, are you perhaps worried about what others would think of you?

No. I don't give a damn about that.

Nor should you. You enjoyed a work of fiction that has no bearing on or similarity with real life. The only time you should question yourself is if you heard about something exactly like this in a news story and said, "I see no problem with this."

Yeah I get it's fiction, and since it's drawn no actual 9yr olds were loved up in the making of this work. However it's still a story about a practically adult woman seriously dating a elementary schooler. At some point you have to draw a line. Let's say this manga didn't stop at just kissing , but instead graphically showed the two going "all the way". Would you still say it's fiction don't worry and enjoy?

I would indeed. If it graphically showed all that, and then went on to show one of the characters beheading and disemboweling the other I would still say—it’s fiction, and that I was not morally culpable of anything.

How many books have you read or movies or TV shows have you seen where one character kills another, and in terms of that story it’s the best possible outcome, and you’re relieved or even elated that the character has been killed, perhaps in an extremely gruesome manner? Does this mean “you’re fine with murder”?

Certainly fiction can arouse disturbing responses and make us ponder why we react (positively or negatively) the way we do. Itou Hachi’s work certainly has the ability to arouse such responses.

But thoughts (in the systems of justice that I respect) aren’t crimes—actions are.

I'm not suggesting liking this stuff should be a crime. I'm not saying liking this stuff makes you a pedophile either. I'm just saying there are lines. To enjoy watching the hero mow through the murderous gang of thugs who were killing old ladies for their wellfare checks is understandable. To enjoy watching someone rape and murder a child is disturbing. Edit:I would definitely worry about the state of mind of anyone, including me, who would be into that.

Edit2: For the record I try to not judge other people. My struggle is with my internal lines. I do kind of get annoyed at people who get mad at the hate posts. First of all you have to see, how this stuff can touch a nerve. I once heard someone say: " Once you bring children or religion into a conversation all reason and logic, go out the window. Second: It does no good. We go through this exact conversation after every lolicon, and we're not going to get the haters to stop. (see previous ^) So it's up the fans to put an a end to this cycle. And do me a favor please stop starting your posts with the phrase "I don't see how anyone can be (offended, mad, angry etc...)" I mean come on! It's and adult making out with a child. You can't possibly be surprised that some people are going to have a bad reaction to that.

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Honestly I struggle with the question: " If I enjoy this kind of story, what does that say about me"?

Well duh, it'd obviously say that you enjoy this kind of story.

More importantly, are you perhaps worried about what others would think of you?

No. I don't give a damn about that.

Nor should you. You enjoyed a work of fiction that has no bearing on or similarity with real life. The only time you should question yourself is if you heard about something exactly like this in a news story and said, "I see no problem with this."

Yeah I get it's fiction, and since it's drawn no actual 9yr olds were loved up in the making of this work. However it's still a story about a practically adult woman seriously dating a elementary schooler. At some point you have to draw a line. Let's say this manga didn't stop at just kissing , but instead graphically showed the two going "all the way". Would you still say it's fiction don't worry and enjoy? What about a eros age gap lolicon? The whole point is to show graphic sex between a child and adult. Would you still be it's not t real so have at it? What about a violent rape of a child? A lolicon snuff manga? You mean tell me you wouldn't judge anyone for being into THAT!?

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Honestly I struggle with the question: " If I enjoy this kind of story, what does that say about me"?

Well duh, it'd obviously say that you enjoy this kind of story.

Well enjoy to a certain point. Stories like this one, with blatant pedophilia makes me feel wrong. I want to root for yuri, no matter what, but that kissing scene gave me the creeps.

More importantly, are you perhaps worried about what others would think of you?

No. I don't give a damn about that.

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Reading about something is not "literally saying you're okay" with whatever behavior is depicted in the fiction. (That's not really what the original poster was saying, I know, which is why I'm not using an auto-quote.)

People have been reading with pleasure about things they would find abhorrent in real life and other people have been giving them shit about it literally before widespread literacy even existed (see Plato, The Republic).

johnb suggests that there's something necessary and cathartic for some people about coming into a forum and decrying fictional behavior as if it's real.

I don't quite get it myself, but as every Itou Hachi thread demonstrates, it happens so often it must be true.

Honestly I struggle with the question: " If I enjoy this kind of story, what does that say about me"?

Haha that note at the end... No thank you, I don't think I will. Like, the last thing I need in my life is more ignorant people associating homosexuality with pedophilia, and stuff like this doesn't help.

Good point.

Why are people getting upset about it, isn’t it just pure fiction?

There is always someone who posts a variant of this after every lolicon story. Can't you see, this stuff is highly offensive. There is a college woman making out with a half naked elementary schooler, for pete's sake. Feathers are going to get ruffled. Maybe they're a victim of child molestation, maybe they have children in that age, they feel protective about, or maybe they're like me, who are okay with it, but think that's not okay.(Not this story though. It made me feel all kinds of ick.) So they post on the site, to feel better about themselves. I say let them rant. Freedom of speech goes both ways.

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