See the difference?
I do, believe me. That doesn't change the fact that the man has a bad habit. Which was, what I was talking about in the first place.
I don't think you're using trivial in its correct context...it means "something of so little importance that it's deemed as unremarkable or commonplace". Not just "something that is common".
I think I'm using correctly? The reason why car accidents are considered cliché is because they happen so often as a plot device, by appearing often they become unremarkable. They become trivial. The reader(s) no longer feel anything after so many. But I think nitpicking over a word this long might be a bit too tryhard me, this isn't important.
No. History time? The term cliché was coined when there was an influx of cheap/barely different from one another stories because pressing paper with "new" revolutionary machines happened.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cliche
Cliches referred to commonly used phrases/words that printers used, not stories.
Yes, but the term evolved over time to include what we call "cliché situations". Which included certain cliché scenarios in romance stories, but romance itself is not. This is what I was getting at.
Following your logic from the car example, everything and anything is cliche. Any object can be rendered obsolete in the future. You might as well be saying clothes, traffic lights, roads, paintings, etc. are cliche because there's a possibility that we won't use them in the future.
I realize this wasn't clear because it was in a sentence on it's own but that was what I meant.
This wasn't my logic at all. A car isn't a cliché, the cliché is a car getting in an accident to cause some sort of reaction to the readers and/or to a character in order to advance the plot. Clothes, or a shirt aren't cliché, but using them a certain way for plot purposes could be. A streetlight or a bunch of them going off in the dead of the night in a deserted part of town while a character happens to be walking. Again, the objects themselves are not clichés but using them in the plot a certain way is.
Explain? How so???? So if a story doesn't contain cliches, and it's super original, it must be good? Uh...okay......sounds fake...but...okay........
This is my mistake entirely, I must admit I saw red ( heheheh I used a cliché ) at the end of the post and read something entirely.
I agree with what you've said previously, but that's not related with how clichés are bad. Bad stories can be bad for different reasons, one doesn't stop another.
I feel like we're sort of talking over eachother at this point. A lot of our discussion is based on us being on differing sides when it comes to clichés being bad themselves.
Since it looks like neither of us will convince the other, we can agree to disagree?
I still hope you can understand why comments like these set me off :
Especially after another comment telling me I should ask Nya-chan for help. Saying someone should ask for help in a debate is not very kind
Holy crap the length some ppl will go to claim that some event is "cliche" lmao
Tryharding IS how far a person is willing to go achieve something. I realize now this wasn't what you meant.
That's the beauty of language I guess, one person writes something and people find it means multiple things.
P.S. I want to apologize, even if I felt like some of the your comments not appropriate I should not lashed like I did. Just like the man and the toilet I have my own faults, I should've controlled my anger.
Feel it, guys
I feel it =P
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