Have Yuni and Nanase actually ever had sex yet? Or did Yuni lose her 'first' to Fuuko?

She didn't lose anything. Only losers (and traditional heteros, but I repeat myself) lose from having sex. Yuni only gained 8)

I can imagine a happy ending for Michi and Honami without sudden resurrection. For example, Honami could possess Michi, in the classic sense of possession, "a ghost has attached itself to a person and is taking from their energy," rather than the modern relatively simple "a ghost is sitting inside a person and controlling them like they're a flesh suit". Honami could stablize connecting to Michi's seemingly extra spirit energy, and they can have a Happily Ever After. Sure other people might not understand, but I think there's like a "being happy while disabled" angle you can take there. Honami can't talk or be seen by most people, but it's still possible for her to live a happy unlife.

Kurohime should cuck Rin I don't even care. How dare that kid stand in the way of the black princess :P

Shipping is fine as long as you don't cross the streams. Channel that energy into fanfic or something rather than trying to force it to be real. Unfortunately there's a lot of people who swing hard the other way and act like ALL romantic reads of a story are purely fanfic because they view subtext as completely meaningless for some reason. These two poles are very annoying to be stuck between.

Komaki noticing Wakaba's warning up to doing physical things with her and still doubling down on being a shit to her. Is it any wonder Wakaba's stance is that Komaki is pretty but too fucked up right now to want to be with?

For the title reference, I guess the implication might be that Misaki's feelings for Michi are her projecting her feelings for another person. The point that Michi is lying to herself, seemingly in some supernatural self-protective way, seems obvious

You can't know ANYTHING for sure, you think you're reading a forum post but you might actually be dreaming right now. You might be in full dive VR and being experimented on without knowing it (a scenario my Philosophy professor was absolutely obsessed with when I was in college). At some point we have to start rounding: accepting the most likely thing as true unless proven false so we can take actions, think thoughts, and go about our day. It's true we don't know for sure what the author intends for Nanase's interest in Yuni, or anything else, or if this manga is even real instead of merely a shared hallucination. When we take a step back and look for the most likely thing, there's a ton of evidence pointing at Nanase being possessive and competitive rather than earnestly in love with Yuni. And so we say that. We're all adults here or at least are pretending to be, we don't need to constantly put "in my opinion" on all our statements, we can assume it because none of us here are the author, or nor is anyone pretending to be.

The mental gymnastics you guys are doing trying to paint Nanase as the bad guy and Fuuko as the savior is crazy.

You are giving the author way too much credit. Everything fell off a cliff once the cheating got out. Nanase for some bs reason can't give up on Yuni ( like the good cuck she is to keep the story going)

There’s a difference (a key one to my mind) between “discussing characterization” and “painting imaginary people as good guys or bad guys.”

The “some reason” Nanase can’t give up on Yuni is, as has just been explained at length, her sense of ownership. She’s not particularly invested in what Yuni needs or wants, she just objects to someone “stealing” something she thinks of as “hers.” Everyone is free to decide if that makes Nanase “a bad person” or not, but that moral judgment is irrelevant to how she functions as part of the story.

I'm sorry, but did the author confirm that, or is this just pure reader-response theory? Where's your proof? That one moment when Nanase yelled, "Get away from my girlfriend," is a perfectly normal response. That doesn't mean she's seeing Yuni as something she owns.

This is complete overreach if I've ever seen one—or you could almost call it projection. Interpreting and speculating about their motivations and such is fun and all, but don't act like it's definitive.

I could write a whole wall of text with tons of theories and examples to prove a point, but it would still be purely anecdotal and prove nothing.

Responding to people making informed literary analyses and calling them something as juvenile as "pure reader-response theory" simply means you do not understand what we're doing. This isn't meaningless game theory shit, nor is there a sole objective factual deduction that can be made. It's a structured form of analytical thinking. feihong's dropping posts in this thread that are good enough for college literature class essays (or they would be if included inline citations and a bibliography anyway lol), not just guessing at random.

The mental gymnastics you guys are doing trying to paint Nanase as the bad guy and Fuuko as the savior is crazy.

You are giving the author way too much credit. Everything fell off a cliff once the cheating got out. Nanase for some bs reason can't give up on Yuni ( like the good cuck she is to keep the story going)

Fuuko is just getting crazier to keep things fresh? I admit I didn't see the momy thing coming lmao.

For the rest the manga is just running circles, I would be way more engaged if Yuni and Nanase actually had any chemistry. But there is nothing, nada. Unless Nanase is crazy over Yunis looks I don't see why their are dating at all. And dont tell me it's because she complimented her haircut.

lmao. "You all are doing mental gymnastics and giving the author too much credit by analyzing the story's themes. On an unrelated note, I can't understand the character motivations in this story for some reason?" hmmmm

like just...can they both run away?

I have a feeling the story might take that path, but probably not at this point, more likely as the plot intensifies. The way the story is unfolding reminds me of many historical yuri-themed manga and manhwa, like Ghosts of Grey Woods, Her Tale of Shim Chong, and Goodbye, My Rose Garden.

I was thinking that this feels pretty thoroughly hopeless due to the author sticking to what's plausible for the era, but I'll happily take a Her Tale of Shim Chong twist at this point. Time for all these useless heteros to face divine wrath lol

The point that Nanase is essentially treating Yuni like a child is a good one. It makes me wonder if perhaps Fuuko's recent pitch about being her mama is partially based on thinking maybe that's what Yuni wants in a relationship, since she keeps staying with Nanase. If it was, Yuni would be far from unique, a whole hell of a lot of people irl seem to want parents instead of peers for their romantic partners (smdh).

PS did the Citizen Kane clap irl at calling Nanase in the gakuran fashy lmao

The author doesn't know you and can't predict what sort of reaction you'd have.

Once again: So what? The author's intent does not dictate how people feel and nobody is demanding that they go back and change the story. If I were like a sensitivity reader for the author prerelease I'd definitely recommend that they change it. I'd recommend for anyone else writing shit who might be reading this that it's best to avoid having a character espouse very real homophobic talking points and then have them be not rebuked and instead assuaged by a solution to their objection that does not exist in the real world. But in this specific instance I'm just a disgruntled reader bitching about not liking one chapter of a mostly very good story, expressing my earnest feelings about the work, just like most other commenters.

The main thing is, just cuz you’re upset with how a scene is written or don’t like how a topic is handled, doesn’t give you an excuse or any right to attack the author’s character or justify others doing so.

You and many others are choosing to interpret the scene negatively and in turn thinking that the author is a homophobe. That’s not fair.

The world in the comic isn’t real, it has magic in it, so why wouldn’t the author take advantage of the story’s setting and use a convienent solution for a real problem? This could very well be a way of coping. Isn’t it a common thing to dream of things that can’t happen in real life?

You're mixing up one poster with every poster. If I thought the author of this series was a bigot I'd stop reading it, but I haven't accused them of any character flaw and I explicitly said I'm not quitting. I just talked about why I disliked how I've scene was crafted and wished it was done better to avoid triggering people. Stop being so damn defensive just because multiple people don't like something and one of those multiple people happened to be rude or whatever. Somebody agreeing with you but they're rude does not make you automatically wrong.

And just to be clear, one last time: The problem is the combination of Evie's dad saying homophobic shit and the magic babies being a response to earn his approval. If the dad said his shit, his wife browbeat him into dropping it, and then later Elsa brought up "hey did you know we actually can get preggo together lol" while they're in bed that night, it still would not be to my taste certainly but it also wouldn't be getting under people's skin.

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Blaming me for not being able to read my words. Classic.

Assuming the only reason anyone could ever have for disagreeing with you is incompetence or malice, huh.... Wait are you self inserting as Aya and applying these same standards to Erika?? This feels like a major clue. We might just solve The Mystery of The Poster Who Insists Disagreement Is Literally Murder soon!

At this point, I'm not sure why you guys keep engaging with that person. They clearly won't change their mind about their unfounded assomption, won't admit this is just a personal view about the characters (which would be fine) and is clearly condensing about the fact that not everyone can read Japanese (congratulations btw, about trying to win an argument in an English forum while posting hints in Japanese, very fair and mature). There is no discussion possible.

I'm not here to rationally debate, I'm here to have fun talking about manga. So far I'm finding fun here still. :3

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Okay it would be pretty metal if this manga suddenly became Tomie though. Turns out Aya died but didn't stay dead and now she's budded and there's a bunch of Ayas all over Japan causing havoc

Also still just cannot take seriously any claim so Erika broke up Koto and Aya, because that requires implicitly claiming that relationship would have continued fine without Erika's advice to Aya and lol no. That shit was doomed from the second Koto gave in to her worst impulses and tried to get Aya to quit her job and education and become a shut-in.

LOL
Yeah. Who went lash out at her best friend for daring to accept her childhood friend's confession and led the poor girl disappear? Who gave Koto a ton of trauma? Who literally killed the girl who had everything written on her face?

All because of the immaturity of Erika, everyone has to be suffering. Liked Koto first and did nothing. Only had magical thinking of "one day she will fall for me!". No, she won't. And if you really love someone, you want them to be happy. Erika only wants her own happiness.

... Would you happen to be reading this manga on some different website, where someone is trolling you by inserting their own fanfic between the pages or something? Do you perhaps read manga in bed at night after taking sleeping pills? Because these scenes don't exist. It's not even a matter of interpretation, you're referencing things the rest of us have not read, period.

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Yuni's is definitely still proletariat. I don't recall if the manga ever said Yuni's Mom is self employed at the bar, but even if she run the bar herself that puts her in the same category as an independent contractor. She doesn't own her means of production, a landlord does. Same as someone who drives for Uber with a leased car. Yuni's Mom saying "don't worry about money" doesn't imply she can just pay college tuition out of pocket, poor parents tell their kids to not worry about money all the time, because it's the adult's job to do that worrying. This implies enough financial security to have hopes for getting loans possibly, although would she even know how much college costs? She didn't go herself and she was drunk when she said it, so she might be imagining a much lower number than reality.

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The author doesn't know you and can't predict what sort of reaction you'd have.

Once again: So what? The author's intent does not dictate how people feel and nobody is demanding that they go back and change the story. If I were like a sensitivity reader for the author prerelease I'd definitely recommend that they change it. I'd recommend for anyone else writing shit who might be reading this that it's best to avoid having a character espouse very real homophobic talking points and then have them be not rebuked and instead assuaged by a solution to their objection that does not exist in the real world. But in this specific instance I'm just a disgruntled reader bitching about not liking one chapter of a mostly very good story, expressing my earnest feelings about the work, just like most other commenters.

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It's fascinating to me how every single one of these characters has reached a point where they're actively self sabotaging. Yuni sticks with Nanase not out of one iota of affection but out of guilt and punishment. Fuuko's backslid to her "I'll be your second" shit, which makes her far less effective at wooing Yuni. Yuki's wishy washy damsel shit has only succeeded in making Yuni hate her and Nanase annoyed at her enough to shove her against a wall. And Nanase is idk distracting herself from peak volleyball performance I guess lol

At any chapter without warning Fuuko could basically end this by finally putting her back into it and telling Yuni "I love you, I want to be your first, you make me happy, I want to make you happy, you deserve to be happy. Stop getting hurt by Nanase, dump that jock and get with this nerd lmao". She's almost certainly not going to do that anytime soon, but she COULD. Yuni's begging for a rescue and "I'll be your side chick" is not a rescue lol.
My actual prediction: Yuni and Fuuko will eventually get together but due to Yuni finally finishing up all her miserable thinking, coming to the obvious conclusion for her situation, and being assertive in demanding Fuuko be her lover the same way she was assertive during the away game arc.

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If there is anything real to glean from the Japanese names of those stars then just say it already, you can't expect your opinion to sway people when you refuse to state your evidence and try to lord it over them like a child instead.

Also still just cannot take seriously any claim so Erika broke up Koto and Aya, because that requires implicitly claiming that relationship would have continued fine without Erika's advice to Aya and lol no. That shit was doomed from the second Koto gave in to her worst impulses and tried to get Aya to quit her job and education and become a shut-in.

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Lol calling Erika "selfish" when she's constantly denying herself and beating herself up for wanting those things she's denying herself. Also lol that Tanabata reference is useless because you're just assuming Erika is the third wheel star, but have you considered it could be Aya herself, swinging by to get in between Erika and Koto just when Koto finally seemed to be healing? I'm not saying this is the definitive intention but I am saying it's one valid interpretation. The myth doesn't fit 1:1 obviously (it would be a boring manga if it did) and so comparisons require casting aside one part or another of the story to make a given framing work. That's a subjective choice you make as a reader, not the objective text of the manga.

So what? The author still picked a wound by bringing up the topic and then left it uncovered. And for what? What benefit do we get from magical breeding instead of them adopting from that orphanage? I personally find pregnancy and birth topics that I'd like to stay as far away from as possible, while still loving parenthood, so I'm just disappointed by the choice to go down that road. But there's people out there that are truly hurt by being confronted by their lack of an ability to participate in pregnancy and childbirth, that suffer real bigotry in the real world because of it, and they're allowed to vent and be unhappy about this. If the author had just brought up the magic babies without first bringing up the topic via the dad being shitty, people wouldn't be chafed right now.

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Some of y'all are are putting down a whole lot of words about the homophobia thing while never actually addressing why people complained lol. The story introduced a very concrete real world form of homophobia, objecting to gay couples over the lack of breeding, and solved it with a completely unavailable in the real world method, magic. The framing created by a fantastic solution to a real world problem that real people reading this story have to deal with, real people who do not have magic available to them, is very painful. It's almost certainly not intentional, but intent is never a requirement to hurt someone. It picks at a real wound and then offers nothing to help it.
Personally I just do not understand why they didn't go for adoption as the proposed solution. Not just because that's a real thing gay people do to have children all the time, but more importantly we spent all that time with orphans! These two elements of the story should be meshing and are instead loudly grinding off each other.

Erika definitely imo has the more interesting internal life of the three because her desires are in such sharp and irreconcilable odds with each other. She wants to be a good person, she wants to do right by her friends and take care of them and help them be happy, and she wants to love Koto. The conflicts between these different aspects of her, the circumstances that put those desires at odds with each other, and how she handles it makes her a wonderfully textured character. Koto in comparison, her conflict isn't between multiple contrasting desires but her single desire (Aya) and her fear (losing Aya). And Aya so far we've only had brief glimpses into past her surface level of being a plucky survivor doing her best.

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Bai yan is interesting to me because her entire reasoning here is, oh Xiao Lu is so nice to me and it's obvious she likes me and I'd love to reciprocate but alas I want to life a normal life and can't give her what she wants, but I do want to continue recieving this love because it's got that je ne sais quo...

Like Bai Yan is shitty and she isn't unaware that she was using Xiao Lu but my god this is barely denial anymore she's just straight up going "I'm probably gay but I live in a society so idrc"

Oh 100% she's on some heteronormativity propaganda brain worms. She pretty much said directly she wants to be normal to have a good life, implying that the only way to have a good life is to be normal. She thinks she's a mastermind tricking Lin Luxi but is is infact herself who is the fool. Even if she realizes it now it's too late, she'll have to find some other deer girl to have sex with

Someone really needs to calm down. How could you enjoy the manga when you have so much hate on one of the protagonist (the story is about a triangle, after all). Erika is very complexed character who has her desire conflicted with her own moral standard. But she's definitely not a bad person. This whole spirit away nonsense is the last thing Erika can predict.

And I can somehow be sure now Aya's disappearance is completely due to her own wish. To her, Erika is a very important friend. Despite not loving her in romantic way, she is always nearly equal to Koto. If anyone has read the extra chapter (total 12 pages) included in volume.1 physical release, you would easily understand Aya cherishes both of them pretty much.

There's no way she could be with Koto if it means she has to lose Erika. So it must be her wish like "l hope there's a solution of this" (after the talk she had with Erika). It also can explain why she only comes back while Erika sincerely wants it to happen.

That would make a lot of sense, and be a satisfying way to develop the plot. I've personally been thinking Aya's disappearance was either consensual or an unintended reflection of her desires for quite a while, and if that last conversation was her learning about Erika's feelings it would make so much sense. I can even imagine it being the both of them attempting to quit Koto for the other lol, and sadly magic got in the way of the natural course of that sort of time normally (the formation of a polycule).
I put a 0% chance on any reveal that would make any of our characters out to be a villain lol.