i wish tags could accurately reflect the content of a manga.

how do feel about this cold dragon young, or should i say dormant hot dragon old?

this story is rather slow, yet still feels like its lacking in depth, is it because not all of the details given matter in the moment? or is it because all the short summaries regarding the setting doesnt have much to do with the main characters?

hmm... what even is this story trying to be?

woah.... this story sucks doesnt it?

dayum, that was ice cold kami-sama, how you gon pretend to be an airhead, while being all-knowing?

I didn't realise because I thought it was a completely normal story point.
Guys, guys, Dynasty Commenters who always overreact to everything: stop being so melodramatic. This is a story, and the slap was the best way to get across the drama of the situation. Pushing her away would absolutely have not got the point across that this was trying to make.
That, and she probably didn't slap her that hard, you drama queens. It's only as bad as someone giving you a non-consensual kiss in the first place, it wasn't "violence"

this is indeed a very old trope of the romance genre which usually end with a harmless push, but this time its a more violent slap which changes the meaning of this scene almost entirely. it takes the readers attention away from the usual intentions of the scene which is to evoke shock and surprise, and instead adds a sudden layer of "why did she use such force in this situation?" into the mix.

long story short, the slap fails to get the point across as clearly as the push does, while also adding suspicion onto the characters nature for choosing to react so violently, which in turn further ruins the scenes intentions.

the slap isnt really confusing as much as its truly shocking, due to this being out of nowhere behavior from this character, and it feeling completely out of place as a reaction to a sudden kiss.

many, including myself, see this slap as an overreaction made for the sake of drama, to which could have easily been replaced with the less violent alternative, a harmless push that of course conveys the same feelings and intentions the slap does to the readers.

to make a long story short, her negative reaction isnt the issue, but her negative action is an issue.

whelp.... guess its time for the angst and drama to truly shake things up?

i guess, the real question some of us here have is, ”where the hell is the romance in this romance manga”?

this side story has honestly dragged on for much longer than it should have, i hope the author can get to the end of this needless drama very soon, so that we can move onto more interesting topics and plot points.

besides that, hopefully there is more fun school events and interesting couple building exercises for the main couple to enjoy alongside their friends, without too much of the useless drama this genre relies upon getting in their way along their journey.

holy shit,this is definitely a “yuri story“ written by shoujo author,i havent felt so violated in years since reading a manga.

author-san,can you please let these girls further their relationship naturally for once?

after all,no matter how much sex these two might have at this point in the story,it wont make their relationship any less vague nor any more defined than it is now,without having them hold a proper conversation to better clarify their honest desires and genuine concerns to each other,allowing for them to truly get a better grasp of the nature of their relationship.

i fear for novice pokemon trainer nana-chan,since i feel like the idiot tamer champion fu-sama might actually be targeting her instead of the legendary pokemon aho-no-yuni.

That frustrating feeling when a series that obviously sets out to a be about a relationship trainwreck among clueless idiots fails to depict optimal healthy psychological and socially positive behavior.

the frustration i feel comes from seeing how cheaply constructed this train wreck is,since this story isnt convincing enough for me to believe in any of its narrative on its own merit.

and as far as i know clueless idiots have their own logic which explains their behavior and train wrecks have their own reasons for why they happen,so i feel quite disappointed that this story doesnt reach beneath the surface revealing a more deeper reason for its characters actions,but instead remains a very shallow and straightforward fetish manga.

People seem to be throwing the term “fetish manga” around very freely lately (including at the patently anodyne Hino-san no Baka) and as far as I can tell, as a term of critical judgment it amounts to readerly projection. You don’t find this series “convincing,” which is no doubt true for you,

is cheating and netorare not a fetish in media?

if so,how is a story which drowns itself within it to thrive not a fetish story?

and lastly,isnt a good majority of written media born from its authors fetish to begin with anyway?

You’ve expanded the term “fetish” far beyond any useful meaning, and as your last assertion demonstrates, it simply becomes you assigning intention to authors. “Cheating” is not a fetish; it’s an extremely common human behavior which has appeared in stories devoted to romantic relationships since time immemorial.

cheating is a fetish,and will continue to be a fetish,after all a fetish is any particular thing one is obsessed with and derives sexual gratification from.its far beyond the realm of absurdity to even suggest that one of the porn industries most consumed tags isnt considered a fetish with not a shred of evidence to back that claim.

the term fetish is simply way larger than what you knew,so dont try blaming me for your own ignorance,instead pick up a book and do some research before making a fool of yourself again.

what the hell did you think people found so hot about this story?or did its direct appeal to a precise fetish somehow evade you?

lastly,to cover my bases,i understand that for some its more of a kink than it is a fetish,but that isnt to say it isnt a fetish,as much as it say its more than just a fetish.

OK, now your well-established nasty habit of projecting motivations onto people is entirely out of hand, and you’re just being rude. You’ve proven that your judgements about this series have nothing to do with actual textual criticism, and I’m done with this conversation.

i have applied knowledge based on well established information to disprove your claims that were contrary of my assessments and somehow you have come to the conclusion that im projecting motivations despite me disproving your off based presumptions about the meaning of fetishism with clear reasoning.

you havent managed to disprove any of my points nor have you engaged with most of my thoughts about this story since you have ignored them in favor of focusing on the small aspect of my reply which mentioned something outside the scope of the story itself and yet its my judgement thats being called into question?

this truly feels like im being trolled and gaslit right now.

That frustrating feeling when a series that obviously sets out to a be about a relationship trainwreck among clueless idiots fails to depict optimal healthy psychological and socially positive behavior.

the frustration i feel comes from seeing how cheaply constructed this train wreck is,since this story isnt convincing enough for me to believe in any of its narrative on its own merit.

and as far as i know clueless idiots have their own logic which explains their behavior and train wrecks have their own reasons for why they happen,so i feel quite disappointed that this story doesnt reach beneath the surface revealing a more deeper reason for its characters actions,but instead remains a very shallow and straightforward fetish manga.

People seem to be throwing the term “fetish manga” around very freely lately (including at the patently anodyne Hino-san no Baka) and as far as I can tell, as a term of critical judgment it amounts to readerly projection. You don’t find this series “convincing,” which is no doubt true for you,

is cheating and netorare not a fetish in media?

if so,how is a story which drowns itself within it to thrive not a fetish story?

and lastly,isnt a good majority of written media born from its authors fetish to begin with anyway?

You’ve expanded the term “fetish” far beyond any useful meaning, and as your last assertion demonstrates, it simply becomes you assigning intention to authors. “Cheating” is not a fetish; it’s an extremely common human behavior which has appeared in stories devoted to romantic relationships since time immemorial.

cheating is a fetish,and will continue to be a fetish,after all a fetish is any particular thing one is obsessed with and derives sexual gratification from.its far beyond the realm of absurdity to even suggest that one of the porn industries most consumed tags isnt considered a fetish with not a shred of evidence to back that claim.

the term fetish is simply way larger than what you knew,so dont try blaming me for your own ignorance,instead pick up a book and do some research before making a fool of yourself again.

what the hell did you think people found so hot about this story?or did its direct appeal to a precise fetish somehow evade you?

lastly,to cover my bases,i understand that for some its more of a kink than it is a fetish,but that isnt to say it isnt a fetish,as much as it say its more than just a fetish.

author-san surely has the ninja sub-class with how effortlessly they are out here assassinating their own character and killing their stories potential.

why must we take the long route of having the side character slowly realize their feelings only to then be rejected instead of the short route of revealing that her crush is taken by another girl which forces her feelings out quickly bringing the conflict to its emotional conclusion?

That frustrating feeling when a series that obviously sets out to a be about a relationship trainwreck among clueless idiots fails to depict optimal healthy psychological and socially positive behavior.

the frustration i feel comes from seeing how cheaply constructed this train wreck is,since this story isnt convincing enough for me to believe in any of its narrative on its own merit.

and as far as i know clueless idiots have their own logic which explains their behavior and train wrecks have their own reasons for why they happen,so i feel quite disappointed that this story doesnt reach beneath the surface revealing a more deeper reason for its characters actions,but instead remains a very shallow and straightforward fetish manga.

People seem to be throwing the term “fetish manga” around very freely lately (including at the patently anodyne Hino-san no Baka) and as far as I can tell, as a term of critical judgment it amounts to readerly projection. You don’t find this series “convincing,” which is no doubt true for you,

is cheating and netorare not a fetish in media?

if so,how is a story which drowns itself within it to thrive not a fetish story?

and lastly,isnt a good majority of written media born from its authors fetish to begin with anyway?

The “people behaving badly” sub-genre of yuri manga is indeed a specific niche that some readers enjoy and many others abhor, often vocally, but the idea that such stories must achieve some “deeper meaning” other than simply depicting clueless characters making bad choices, with readers watching those choices play out, certainly is a novel argument to me. I guess I just don’t find it very convincing.

yes,to me the “people behaving badly” sub-genre is no exception to having piss poor character writing.

for the purpose of coherence i will explain that the “deeper reason“ i refer to is the personal cause of its characters actions,to which would exist to display the logic behind the behavior portrayed giving greater understanding to the reader beyond its surface reasons,as without this characters often feel shallow due to a lack of exploration.

to me a story that exists solely to have its characters role play a fetish is trash not worth much,where upon if the same story displayed a deeper reason by exploring the personal cause of its characters,i could say that it has at least fulfilled its purpose as a story and provided its audience with enough to be considered a worthwhile product.

long story short i hold the belief that good character writing makes logic logical,makes illogical understandable,and makes foolishness compelling through elaborating upon the personal cause of its character,often times providing its reader with a more profound clarity of its story and its characters.

to be quite frank,this story set out to discuss something and failed to do so successfully,resulting in a weak product that is at most mildly entertaining due to its toxicity.

No it didn't, the story set out to tell the story of three absolute idiots who make horrible decisions and end up in, well, the shitty ass situation they are now

If you expected to find social commentary about relationships and cheating then you're in the wrong website

what i expect from every story is for them to at least have personal reasons for their characters actions making them understandable even if you dont like or agree with them.

so no i dont care for social commentary or even healthy actions in my fiction,but i do expect good character writing regardless of how stupid or broken the character is portrayed.

That frustrating feeling when a series that obviously sets out to a be about a relationship trainwreck among clueless idiots fails to depict optimal healthy psychological and socially positive behavior.

the frustration i feel comes from seeing how cheaply constructed this train wreck is,since this story isnt convincing enough for me to believe in any of its narrative on its own merit.

and as far as i know clueless idiots have their own logic which explains their behavior and train wrecks have their own reasons for why they happen,so i feel quite disappointed that this story doesnt reach beneath the surface revealing a more deeper reason for its characters actions,but instead remains a very shallow and straightforward fetish manga.

as for why there exists so much debate around cheating,i would say it has a lot to do with some readers attempting to justify it as a proper punishment for nanase because of her handling of her relationship,or how weird the story depicts the cheating within its narrative as a consequence of a lack of love in a relationship instead of them breaking up.

to end this comment i would like to add that every topic depicted in a story can have good or bad writing depending on how its author manages to express,explain,and explore it.this means that fetishs,cheating,netorare,power fantasy,etc... dont get some free pass for being weak and lackluster in its writing department.

to be quite frank,this story set out to discuss something and failed to do so successfully,resulting in a weak product that is at most mildly entertaining due to its toxicity.

this is a manga not the real world and these are characters not real people so i dont agree with your assertions.

i am of the belief that a story shouldnt strive for realism but to be convincing,and its characters shouldnt seek to be relatable but to be understood.this stories characters are realistic and relatable but arent convincing nor comprehensible thus i reached the conclusion that this can only be due to bad writing.

I find these characters really easy to understand and very convincing so that's a problem on your end, not bad writing.

That been said, it's not true that characters always have to be understood. Sometimes characters are deliberately written to be incomprehensible and that's a perfectly valid writing choice as long as it fits the story.

are you sure your perceived understanding is backed up by the stories narrative and isnt simply your own impression or interpretation of said narrative?

i assert that good writing can make the illogical become logical by presenting a good insight into the headspace of its character exploring the reasoning for the strange direction where upon bad writing forces the reader to use their own interpretation to make sense of its characters illogical decisions.

by the way in the right hands even incomprehensible characters become comprehensible as any story worth publishing would explore the mysteries involving such a character.there exists no person without a reason for their actions and since character simulate people there should not be a character truly incomprehensible.

Nanase: worst gf ever, or at least a close runner-up.

The girl she's dating asks her for simple things (spend more time together, pay more attention to her, have more sexytime) and she doesn't give her anything. Some things she promises after much nagging, but then she doesn't keep her word. Oh but she expects that her demands be satisfied! "Come root for me at Osaka!" Doesn't she know how expensive that is for a teen?

And she didn't even make some free time to be together after the match. They could have gone to a love hotel, since nobody knows them in Osaka! Actually, after dating for half a year, did they have sex at least once? Honest question. I honestly can't remember.

^That last question, I realize just now that I have no idea either. Nanase and Yuni have been together for a long time, right? So, do they f*ck? Anyone can recall if we ever saw them having sex? Because really if Nanase hasn't any interest in sex with girls (or at least zero interest in Yuni's body) then this relationship has much deeper problems than Fuuko.

nanase was constructed to be an ntr cuck,so she had to be a bad girlfriend,how else would anyone explain the fine tuned fuck ups she has managed to pull off with such high precision.

no fuwa fuwa.no daijobu.

nice fuwa fuwa vibes.

this stories problem in my opinion is that its characters lack believable motives due to a lack of elaboration making their actions make no sense and causes the narrative to become less than convincing as a plausible conflict.

What motives do you want? It's teenage drama. Teens don't need elaborate motives to do stupid shit. That's what teems do. I don't know about you but I can totally related to that.

That been said, it's not like the characters have no motives at all. We know that Yuni's cheating on Nanase because she feels neglected, for instance. People cheat for way less than that, you know? We also know that Fukko is messing with Yuni and Nanase because she's kinda traumatized over her unrequited love for her childhood friend. So there are motives aplenty.

Anyway, my point stands. There's no basis to claim this thing is badly written. It's consistent and the pacing is good and while things are exaggerated for the sake of drama, it's not really implausible.

this isnt about what i want from the characters,its about what the characters need in order for their actions to make sense beyond their so called age which truly doesnt matter at all.these characters would act the same way even if they were older or younger,as the age of a character hardly ever actually make them act their age.

in regards to bad writing:

yuni is "neglected" by her girlfriend so she makes the leap of logic to start cheating as a solution to her relationship problems,and yet some readers claim its because she is a teenager.

fukko was "betrayed" by her unrequited love so she makes the leap of logic to traumatize another person way worse than she was,and yet some readers find this hot so its all good.

nanase is in "love" with her girlfriend so she makes the leap of logic to prioritize her club activities over her beloved girlfriend,and yet some readers claim past trauma is at fault.

this manga simply hasnt truly elaborated enough on the reasoning behind its characters actions forcing the readers to speculate in order to make sense of this mess of a story,and there not being a deeper reason for the characters actions other then the surface reasons causes the story to be very shallow.

Dude, people cheating when they're neglected happens all the time. You seem to live in a world where people's actions are absolutely governed by logic. That's not the real world. In the real world people do illogical shit for very little reasons all the time. And of course it's perfectly valid to have fictional characters acting illogically. It's not bad writing. It's only bad writing when it's inconsistent, that it is when a character known for being a very logically-minded person suddenly starts acting illogical. That's bad writing. But characters acting illogically is not inherently bad writing.

The same goes for the lack of deeper reasons for the characters' actions. It's not bad writing. Some of the greatest literary works in history don't have clear motivations for the characters or are only hinted at and left to readers' interpretation.

this is a manga not the real world and these are characters not real people so i dont agree with your assertions.

i am of the belief that a story shouldnt strive for realism but to be convincing,and its characters shouldnt seek to be relatable but to be understood.this stories characters are realistic and relatable but arent convincing nor comprehensible thus i reached the conclusion that this can only be due to bad writing.