Actually, to quote myself.

Because contrary to popular belief all girls schools and not filled to the brim with raging lesbians.

I honestly thought Morinaga was above writing stories with this awful cliché, but to see it used by her, and so poorly at that is kind of disappointing. More lesbians does not make a story better. Intelligent writing does.

THANK YOU! I positively hate the whole all girls school EVERYONE IS LESBOS idea, except when it's done correctly in the more deceitful sub plot idea way.

Morinaga does a very good job at avoiding this cliche usually doesn't necessarily mean she can't write it but in this case she needs to rethink the idea.

Though it doesn't seem that the connection goes passed that because that was the first time they had done anything recreational together.

That is true, but it dose not change how her complaint was that people try to distance themselves from her. But we have two clear cases and examples of it being the opposite.

Though let's look at it this way, because she doesn't know the severity of those girl's "love" she probably assumes they're just in it for the usual reason

I see your point. But this assumes two very major aspects of the story.
1) That she has never seen any underclassman that wasn't "in love" with her. Are we to just accept that every underclassman in the school lusts after her? There is not a single one she can compare them to in order to find the norm?
2) That she has no exposure to outside mediums that would give her an understanding as to what underclassman usually act like. (And we can speculate this is untrue because she seems like a bit of a movie buff based on how she acted in the theater.)

No sane person would have a difficult time understanding what a person crying after you rejected their love confession means.

When Miu literally and blatantly admits to wanting to use her.

You know, I don't think this thought even crossed my mind because it was so obvious. You're right. Miu admits she's just using her and still thinks that they are somehow going be friends. It's cut and dry extortion, really. Because it's also under the condition that she not tell people that she broke the vase. Because even though Miu says to herself that she does not want to tell on Fujiwara. So as far as Fujiwara knows she's just extorting her.

Another point that is a clear contradiction is that Fujiwara notices Miu is upset being around all those people and steps in to help her, but she can't tell if the girls who confess to her are being sincere?

Ugh, the more I think about it the worse it gets. Morinaga needs to just scrap this project if you ask me.

Yes we do have two examples of that being the opposite but as a whole what I am saying is that Fujiwara must perceive all social interaction a superficial because none of those people are her "friends" and that is actually what I'm kinda angry about EVERYTHING FEELS SUPERFICIAL except for the "main couple" which is gonna get lovey dovey after some VERY FORCED angst =w=.

EXACTLY this manga is leading me to ASSUME things about the population, I swear EVERY underclassmen you have been shown so far has been in the Fujiwara Fan club the only serious one you have actually SEEN is Miu's so called friend. What I mean is not that every underclassmen is in lust it's just cutesy starstruck syndrome where they all 'like' the tomboyish athlete but that's it, it's just LIKE it's not love until they say so. Like I said all the underclassmen we were shown have just been a bunch of fangirls and if any of them were serious well damn they totally blended in with the rest of the crazy fans.

So yes and yes I agree with you that Morinaga wrote a socially retarded character who is uncharacteristically astute to the feelings of the main character i.e. the love interest.

I thought the fact that Miu so easily admits she wants to use her was an okayish idea but was executed terribly. To be honest I'd hate to see this scrapped I'd love to see it heavily revised though =w=;;;

I have to defend this manga. :D :D Because it reminds when I was around 16 and attended almost girl's school (there were six boys and twenty five girls at my class). At the beginning I didn't had any friends except boys because I was pretty different from other girls, but they somehow started to be interested in me and later on some of them even had crush on me. I fell in love with my first female friend though, who started talking to me and we even "pretended" to be a couple because of her stupid exboyfriend (even though the ending wasn't very happy). So as you can see this story is quite realistic, at least for me. And I have to admit I have loved all Morinaga's works so far. :)

Ahhh.....even with your experience the argument isn't about the real world validity of the story it's about the crappy character writing and contradictions. I love Morinaga too but I am a realist and I story writer myself so when I see bullshit I call bullshit.

ummmm... I guess Yuzu is a bit like Himeko (that's her name Kitty_Kat). anyone, correct me if you this this is an inaccurate comparison, but:

**** general personality traits for both Yuzu/Himeko ****

• both are kind of airheads
• Yuzu is very protective/caring towards Mei. Himeko is same towards Chikane
• each has a moment where they feel compelled to put their significant others ' feelings/well being in front of their own desires

• one could argue that physically Yuzu resembles Himeko, but I'd say that other than being blond and having healthy sized tatas (i.e. breasts), they do not really look alike.

• besides, Yuzu is rather loud and urusai (noisy) where Himeko is very quiet and almost mouse-like. however, over the course of KnoM, Himeko breaks out of her shell. In Citrus, I'm going out on a limb and saying that Yuzu is toning her "in-your-face", loud attitude down and becoming calmer (the opposite of Himeko).

well that's the way I see it. btw, I'm being lazy and decided to make general comparisons. however, a neat and fun exercise is to rewatch/reread KnoM (Kannazuki no Miko) and then compare/contrast Yuzu and Himeko for yourself.

DISCLAIMER: I'm usually full of sh%&$#*t so feel free to ignore, dispute or whatever floats your boat.

Naww man tbh you are 100% spot on

Am I the only one thinking Kannazuki No Miko? (~-3-)~ The way Mei is reacting is driving me crazy and reminding me of Chikane Dx

Hmm I think it's different Kannazuki No Miko had a greed/love driven character who had all the knowledge and an innocent character who was naive.
Mei may be like Chikane because of her actions in the last couple pages, but I can't really find a good way to connect Yuzu to the other girl whose name escapes me right now.

True but the way Mei keeps denying her feelings is driving me crazy. I love the story so far, but mei needs to stop being a little b**** and stop feeling sorry for herself. In that way she is like Chikane. Yuzu is trying to make her happy and she's being a jerk about it.

Mei and Chikane both have LEGIT reasons to feel sorry. Just imagine from birth this idea is drilled into your head that your life is supposed to be EXACTLY AS I SAY IT SHALL BE!!! and your father is your main example and he lives his life EXACTLY AS I SAY IT SHOULD BE ARRRGH!! and whoopty freakin' do the carpet is ripped from under your ASS and you a mere child have to take on this EXTREMELY TAXING AND STRESSFUL LIFESTYLE originally meant for your GROWN FUCKING FATHER who becomes a fucking hippie and abandons you CONSTANTLY to go weep about his own inadequacies as a father and a derp. So yeah that is a lot of stressful bullshit and the way Mei is reacting is actually how MANY other people would react.

Chikane was the reincarnation of a god who had to relive their life constantly MURDERING the only person they loved. Chikane having retained those horrible feelings and memories from the last life was burdened by the GUILT (huge stress causer) of the violent ritual. No it's been awhile since I read KnM but wasn't the entire story about how Chikane had to FORCE Himeko to MURDER HER!? this time???. Welllllll no wonder Chikane felt like shit the entire time how would you feel if you remembered that you idk killed your mother in a past life but your mother didn't know that and you had to make your mother sooooo angry at you that she would actually kill you. While I think Kannazuki no Miko is the most ridiculous thing I ever took the time to watch/read I can totally understand why the story is the way it is.

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Posts like this make my heart hurt.

Meh. I wouldn't feel to bad. There's already blatant story contradictions, and it's only been two chapters. Morinaga is losing her touch.

In chapter one the problem was posed that Fugiwara is depressed/upset because she does not think she has any friends/people don't like her. But in this chapter we are told that she has girls confess to her all the time which I fucking hate, and this is an awful story element, forced story progression galore, plus we see the fan girl squad come up to her without a second thought. They are clearly not "distancing" themselves from her.

So, either Fugiwara is autistic and can't pick up glaring obvious social ques or the quality of the writing is going down.

Take your pick, but neither is good.

I agree with you, but I also agree with esn the girls that approached where on the Volleyball team which makes it easy to connect with them. Though it doesn't seem that the connection goes passed that because that was the first time they had done anything recreational together.

Now on the subject of confessions I agree there is no way to bypass that terrible writing contradiction. Though let's look at it this way, because she doesn't know the severity of those girl's "love" she probably assumes they're just in it for the usual reason, to fawn over her and treat her like some elusive creature that they have captured. That's all the underclassmen do as shown in the first chapter, and I am guessing the only girls that confess to her are the underclassmen.

BUT and this is a huge BUT if that were the case Fujiwara would be a hell of a lot smarter about the whole "fake" lover thing because essentially one of Miu's reasons for 'dating' Fujiwara is so that she can "show off". Even after stating that the only thing Fujiwara gets out of that is OMG FRIEND?! When Miu literally and blatantly admits to wanting to use her.

So Fujiwara as a character is in fuck up character drafting mode and to be honest I am kinda upset that Morinaga would throw such an experimental seeming character into a serialization for the world to gawk at.

AND TO EVERYONE ELSE WHO LITERALLY JUST SAID PEOPLE THINKING TOO MUCH RUINS STORY YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF TO BE 100% HONEST.

Hmm... yeah Rotten does sound weird. I'll mention it to Chi.

Oh it gets really insane next chapter. I'm so glad I got to see them ahead of time because they made my day.

Thanks for the welcome, I've been here a while now, just don't talk much. Tend to be busy with my head in my work. Just wanted to help bring this to everyone and glad I could be part of the project.

You should be more social I love seeing your posts >w<

-Joins in the happiness of finally having a Kill me Baby doujin-
Seriously I've been waiting FOREVER to see doujin of these two cuties :DDDD MERRY CHRISTMAS~

It's funny because if you look at this from an astrologist stand point Spica's personality really fits her constellation.

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/shinozaki_san_ki_wo_ota_shika_ni_ch06#28
Rotted would make more sense than "rotten"

Anyways this series is just getting more and more ridiculous and outrageous XD woooo
also welcome Yuri Canon glad to see you :3

Am I the only one thinking Kannazuki No Miko? (~-3-)~ The way Mei is reacting is driving me crazy and reminding me of Chikane Dx

Hmm I think it's different Kannazuki No Miko had a greed/love driven character who had all the knowledge and an innocent character who was naive.
Mei may be like Chikane because of her actions in the last couple pages, but I can't really find a good way to connect Yuzu to the other girl whose name escapes me right now.

me: I knew it D:< -whispering- fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

-me after reading chapter 18- DAMNIT SPICA!!!

I knew this was going to happen I literally knew that Spica's almost completely detached feeling was because of her sense of duty and that the other girls were becoming too "human" I especially understood it when Alice was asking Antares why she had all those rules like humans.

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Before I even read this for some reason I thought it might be a spin off of Yukemuri Sanctuary when I saw the Idol tag XD

After reading I AHSDNJMBKGJ>/////< may need to change my panties >/////>

So after my wall of text up there I have to admit I'm pretty angry at Mei for trying to use her sister's sexual feelings to trap her, but I feel terrible for Mei because she has no life unless someone needs her or tells her what to do.

Kitty-Kit, if your explanation ends up being the storyline, then you deserve

a) a kit-kat (oooh, I could not help myself from saying it). and
b) an "explainer-of-the-year" award

Hahaha omg I can't help it I'm like a crazy analyzer, I can't really make any predictions or assumptions about story though because this author is predictable but really unpredictable at the same time. To be honest the only thing I'm good for is interpretation of vaguely stated facts and symbolism, it's like I'm an interpreter 24/7 it's just my nature.

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So after my wall of text up there I have to admit I'm pretty angry at Mei for trying to use her sister's sexual feelings to trap her, but I feel terrible for Mei because she has no life unless someone needs her or tells her what to do.

Especially when she said "I want you to need me" this poor girl doesn't know what to do with herself. She feels like she doesn't have any purpose if someone isn't telling her what to do.

Actually, I thought the same thing about Momokino-san when it appeared that she was forcing herself on Mei a few chapters ago.

Also, I have another question for everyone. Now that Mei has forced herself on Yuzu, did she do it because she has feelings for Yuzu (confused though they may be) or because this is a learned response from someone else (and I refer back to my Momokino statement above)?

I think Mei has feelings for Yuzu and when I say this I do not mean actual romantic feelings, I think Mei likes Yuzu as a person because she's seen all her good traits (determination, caring, fairness, etc.) but I doubt she's in love with her. In all honesty she's smart and while Yuzu thinks she can hide things Mei knows exactly what Yuzu was thinking and what she was debating about this entire time, I feel like Mei knows everything and of course because Yuzu has stated she wants to help Mei and be of service to her. Mei has taken that and twisted it around and back on Yuzu because Yuzu wants to be of help to Mei because she wants to feel connected to her because let's face it Yuzu is too in love with her, Yuzu WANTS to help because she NEEDS Mei to WANT her so Mei took that WANT and turned it into Yuzu's NEED to be around Mei. Mei may like Yuzu as a person but the only reason why she took their relationship in a physical and probably sexual direction is because she herself NEEDS to be NEEDED and Mei full and well understands that Yuzu's WANT to be in a physical/sexual/romantic relationship outweighs Yuzu's WANT to be her sister.

That Hayase yandere moment... didn't expect to see that.

Didn't expect it but I loved it, her eyes freakin' opened XDDDD

Aww so glad she was a good friend who stayed a good friend and didn't take advantage of the situation like other shameless porn stories do >w<

A nice slice-of-life story. I guess it doesn't really matter whether there is yuri in it or not, but just wondering whether there is any to justify tagging it as such? It might be misleading otherwise.

It IS a little misleading, at least so far. :3
<3 Nyumphhhh.. so kyuuute :D

I agree it doesn't matter whether it's yuri because it is soooo cute and fun to read either way but so far it is misleading but we only have two chapters and 4 specials so we have to hold on. If it is yuri I'm wondering exactly where it is and when it'll happen @w@

I've never noped harder at a series being complete ;w; I wannnnt more all the characters in this story are so cute >w<

Wow. This was great. I have no more words to say. It was just great.

Agreed ;w;

For most of it I was just like "No."
but then the retaliation came about and I just had to giggle a bit.

Doesn't it? It was kinda weird just from the first five pages... And then that retaliation...

It truly is the crushing defeat of Haruhi Suzumiya!

Yeah I agree this isn't a crossover I want to see again >w> also Haruhi asked if Nanoha was an elementary school kid when she looked like she does in StrikerS which would make her 22 older than Haruhi >w> <w< I mean if she was supposed to be 10 year old Nanoha the artist did a crap job of showing it.

;w; yessssss we now have manga of my favorite witch in my favorite country~
I love Eila >w< and all the Suomus witches.
really surprised that Aurora is such a drunkard though XD

Ah man... I was kind of expecting the "visiting my father" scene to be executed better. It felt choppy to me, maybe because it was right after they left Momokino. It was also cheesy..?

Though what got me just going "what." mostly was Yuzu bawling her eyes out because she believes Mei really doesn't feel the same way. I mean, yeah, that would be unfortunate but was that really a moment to be crying? It doesn't cross to me that Yuzu is actually in love with Mei when she does that, mainly because I think that if she did love her, she'd simply be happy that Mei was smiling during that moment. Seriously, the poor girl rarely, if ever, smiles!

Or maybe it's just me. They're only high schoolers anyway, so I might be too serious with this but agghhhh Yuzu get a hold of yourself girl! o<-<

I thought she was crying more because she felt bad for being so ridiculous with the whole notion of love when obviously Mei needed family more. I think she generally felt kinda stupid at that point =w=