^ Or twatswatting.

^ My thought was Pinkie stayed over at her place and "borrowed" them, but same difference, I suppose.

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^ Upon closer review of the very jumbled timeline page, the games are generally in chronological order, but I think that's the only point I had outright wrong. I'll be honest, I didn't look very close because I don't really know what I'm looking for and, as I already mentioned, I don't care very much.

I assume you're already involved with the series, and so I'll defer to you on facts but my original points were really more about my subjective experience. In any case, this topic's really wearing on me and I'd like to be done with this conversation.

^ I mentioned Wikipedia specifically because it was brought up before. And I did mention sources more broadly as not being useful when attempting to break into Touhou as a series. Touhouwiki is easy to find and that's about where its positive qualities end in that regard.

I think if I were to reduce it to single issue, it wouldn't be the quantity of content, but how fragmented it is. Most large franchises have a core installment or linear series thereof that will give you all the basics, and Touhou lacks that. The games are the closest, but they're not in order, most of them seem very episodic, the emphasis on the story in-game varies wildly, and some aren't even translated. So, if there even is a good jumping-off point, it is very hard to find.

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^ I'm not an idiot.
Yes, there is a wiki, a repository of raw information that does little more than illustrate how vast the amount of content is and how incredibly hard to follow the structure of the series tends to be without prior knowledge. Does that solve any of the problems I mentioned in my first comment?

To be clear, I'm not interested in Touhou and nothing anyone says is likely to change that at this point. I was conveying my past experiences with thinking to try out the series and, metaphorically, finding myself at the entrance to a labyrinth instead of a clubhouse.

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^ I meant more "being presented to you constantly" in the sense of searching by keyword (or looking at a tag on this site) than sifting through daily/weekly updates. When there's as large of a content backlog as Touhou has, it can constitute a surprising percentage of what comes up in a single or double-keyword search. Regardless, I don't fully agree with HellAQA, but I was relating my personal experience with Touhou to play devil's advocate rather than bash on them like everyone else.

And your last bit is exactly what I was referring to Touhou having a problem with. Some people (myself included) have difficulty appreciating content without context, and in most cases the solution is simply to explore the context. For the reasons I specified above, that is very difficult to do with Touhou.

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In defense of HellAQA (barring the comment about the art style), the sheer, overwhelming amount of Touhou content and the relative lack of useful, easy to find and access English resources for the series (Wikipedia's pages on the franchise are extremely long and dry; basically, if you don't have a requisite level of experience with the series already, everything Wikipedia has to tell you will go in one eye and out the other, so to speak) makes the series seem nigh-inaccessible to those that aren't already fans, especially in the west.

There are too many possible starting places in too many different mediums, the fans are all already so deep they can't relate to newbs or casuals, there's a million characters and somehow all of them are important, and so on. None of these things are necessarily true, but it can certainly seem that way from the outside, which makes it incredibly daunting to try and break into the series.

And again, there's so much Touhou content that when you aren't interested, it can be very frustrating to have it presented to you constantly when you're not looking for it.

Am I imagining things, or does the gorgon have a snake coming from her navel and as a tail?

Holy shit Kei's a shortstack. I went 70+ chapters just assuming she had a petite boy body and small to middling tits and now my brain's short-circuiting trying to reconcile that assumption with that perfect hourglass.

LMAO I was expecting their “kissing practice” to end with Mayuki domming Akira like this.

I wasn't expecting her to go down quite that hard, but hoo baby if I didn't love to see it.

^ No, Rafaela is the one in that doujin that looks like a cross between Ursula and Sera. She's not the futa, she's the futa's girlfriend.

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Apparently, The Room does not support 3P's. A part of me is disappointed in The Room for being so traditional.

^ Huh. I don't know if anyone cares if I fix it since nobody seemed to like my......discussion, but I was honestly just trying to avoid showing Sankaku's bullshit by posting direct links to the images. It was the first place I could think of with few enough scruples that they post Fanbox artwork and the like.

The general term in the furry community is just "taur" (encompassing all species, there are some more specific terms but mostly stuff like "feline taur"). They are my favorite thing and I would not have expected to find one here. No so much into the mermaid, though. Just seems too inconvenient.

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^ In my original mention I was specifically talking about cis actors portraying trans characters, which is in fact, in most cases, a visible trait on the exterior body, as you put it, and which was also relevant to the comparison I was making at the time regarding the expectation of trans women to look perfectly cis.

I make no comment about straight actors playing gay characters or what have you.

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^ On the first point, just so you know, it's not a matter of actors acting like people they're not, it's actors being chosen to depict people they don't represent. Blackface is bad, right? Same thing, really, just more subtle.

On the second point, fair enough. I never claimed to have a problem with intersex representation outside of porn. There's still a problem, which is that the porn so vastly, overwhelming outnumbers anything else for futanari specifically in a way that simply doesn't happen anymore for any other portion of LGBTQ+. Yes, there's a lot of lesbian porn that's shitty and made for straight men, but the ratio of that to actual lesbian representation absolutely pales in comparison to futa porn versus any real intersex rep. That's why it's different. Most people will only encounter futanari porn because that's basically all there is.

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^ I'm saying futanari, a term that is effectively lost in translation and interpreted to mean "normal woman, except with a dick" is presented as being in the same category as trans women (Hentai Foundry, for example, uses a catch-all "TG" tag that includes futanari, intersex, and transgender) and sets unrealistic expectations of how "cis" trans women look. Sort of like casting a cis actor to play a trans character, and why that's frowned upon.

It's called respectful intersex representation. The same way you would try to represent any other LGBTQ+ character in your work.

P.S. Futa sans penis? I'm not sure what you mean, isn't that a regular woman? Did you mean futa sans vulva?

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^ Because despite the technical definition, futanari are almost always drawn without female genitalia, thereby making them resemble, and be mistaken for, pre-op trans women, to an extent that most western viewers don't appreciate the difference. The problem there is that they are inherently cis women with dicks, skewing the assumption of most trans women's ability to "pass" (Yes I know that's offensive, it's in quotes and I'm using it to make a point about perception) to toxic levels.

It affects lesbians because, well, think about the ratio of good, realistic lesbian porn to "Let's slap a dick on one of them without a second thought because it's more interesting that way".
Maybe some of the lesbian portion is my personal experience, being an intersex lesbian (CAIS, so you basically can't know unless I tell you). The first time someone called me a "futanari" to my face, I fucking slapped them.

The fact that they are almost exclusively represented in porn is the problem. You can't leave aside porn, because that's 99%. If there were more honest, serious attempts like the one you mentioned, yes, it could be a positive thing, but there aren't.

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^ I said my opinion. That is all. I'm not going to fault anyone else for liking it. I'm not going to try and stop anyone from drawing it, because the odds of success are basically zero. It's a fetish thing. It's impossible to stop.

However, I will debate anyone who claims it to be positive representation for any of the groups I mentioned, and for this case I will present all evidence necessary to prove that there is no definitive proof of Ahoge Girl being a futanari, only repeated and deliberately ambiguous implications.

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^ And that's your right, my point was there has not been nor will there probably ever be a conclusive confirmation either way. Personally, my opinion is that futanari is a heinous, obnoxiously fetishized parody of representation that presents a scourge on lesbians, trans women, and intersex individuals.

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^ Nope. By the color, that's squirt, not semen, and the censor bar is covering DSG's clit rather than a dick. So only the position implies it, which could just as easily be explained as a strapless strap-on.

Trust me, I've been crusading against the idea that AG is a futa for a long time. Everything is always properly ambiguous (there's even a sketch post with a note on it that points out that AG's genitals are never visible, even though there're older posts where she clearly has a cameltoe) except for the old April Fool's post where the dick is clearly visible, which is, of course, April Fool's. It's not even the first time they've been in a position that clearly is meant to imply a dick without actually showing it, there're like half a dozen at least. Strapless strap-on is honestly the most consistent explanation.

Edit: Found the sketch (Was on Twitpic but...), so if anyone can read Japanese and confirm. It seems to be saying that she's drawn ambiguously so the artist doesn't have to censor it, but I can't be certain.

https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/1321248

Ahoge Girl with cameltoe while I'm at it.

https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/4073430

Note: Sankaku Complex is a hive of nutjobs and I do not condone their bullshit.

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Third. The fact that there's no feMC option is such bullshit.