yoonie0104

No, no, you got me wrong. I mean the 4 panels we had to open the side story, I thought the author would make Seju become a womanizer or sex maniac. But, instead, it just shows how depressed she is and closer to suicide xDDDDDD.

ah.. I got you from even an earlier post yesterday.. but I meant that if she becomes a womanizer taking her emotions to bed where she could feel free to express them, I won't be surprised! She was a character who wanted to test Sumin's feeling by asking Sumin to let her do what she wants in ch54. and she is a character who could only express her closeness to Sumin in bed, ch45 (I love you.. I love you, the distance where I could feel this emotion). All this makes a womanizer Seju not so unexpected or out of character now.

yoonie hahahhaha, you give Sungji so much credit for just thinking she could stand alone without Sumin's character.. because really, look at all her scenes.. they all revolved around Sumin with no signs for her individual growth.. Sumin has her ch50, that one was great.. Seju can narrate ALONE a whole chapter and makes it hella interesting. Sungji, well.. has 2 flashbacks of how hard her life was because she is too pretty :( should I cry or empathise ? Her most meaningful part in her past was the few moments she shared with Dawoon.. which is not even enough to build an interesting spin-off.. let alone Sungji's constant defiance of logic in all of her actions !

Take Sumin out of Seju's life.. she is still interesting, and as you said.. the emotional love triangle is really something interesting to write and to read about. Seju's emotional scene with Nammi was more than a proof that this girl can and IS interesting with or without Sumin's physical existence. She has depth, layers and background complications worthy of a story by its own.

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One more point, the beginning of the side story, many readers thought Seju would become a womanizer or a sex maniac, lolllll. Even I think that they might transform her into something like that.
However, it shows how depressed she is, much more than before. Still her but much sadder. That's just how f*ckjng consistent they have made Seju. Awesome, I must say.

makes sense, not only because she has this deep feeling of unworthiness.. but if you have some anger to be expressed and you are like Seju; an intense and emotional fireball, sex would be a nice venue to let it all out. In ch86, Sumin felt better having someone sleeping next to her at night.. it stops her nightmares.. Seju might feel the same after her PTSD, a coping mechanism that is

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Seju is the last and only character that stayed true to Team Gaji's unapologetic writing style.. I do sense that they at some point were too hesitant to move or change anything about Sungji which made this character end up being plain and uni-layered (is that one-dimensional)

I wished that they remaind unapologetic and wrote an ending with GUTS, the same guts they wrote ch55 with instead of cowering out right before the ending!

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Jpeg

I know people are disappointed and see this story as inferior now... But I have to give it credit for inspiring discussions like these (maybe Nora was a big part of this as well).

and Kami-Sama

this thread blow up because of the fan-war between Seju and Sungji fans. I think most forum of other mangas has a more positive feedback so, it doesn't spark any debate among its readers. besides, it's the same people who constantly post and not really because a lot of members in here post on this thread.

whether it was the Manhwa itself or the regular commenters who kept this thread alive, this wouldn't have happened if the Mods, Nezchan in particular weren't here.. they truly maintained a healthy environment for us to discuss and express our thoughts without getting overly aggressive or offensive to each other.. I personally indulged in heated discussions that left many or some of us drained and bitter.. but it is nothing like what I've seen in Facebook or other forums. I thank the mods for that. They were the reason most of us felt safe and encouraged to discuss the Manhwa in the first place.

oh, yoonie .. again, we agree on a lot of points..

the 90˚ panel of Seju sliding her finger on the table edge yummy, Gaji does best when she lets her art free.. yet, I do hate the place's furniture.. reminds me of old hotels maybe Holiday inn's kinda of furniture arggh.

I agree with you. The first and second arc ended in a very consistent flow, this is planned for so long, the cheating. The arc 3 is the main problem, cause simply they added Seju too much in most of arc 3.

that's why I do think that the story was heading towards connecting Seju and Sumin again by how everything went before.. I guess the change in plans didn't happen because Seju became accidentally popular, BUT it happened when they started thinking about another side story.

Let's be honest, the only character that could stand alone in a separate manhwa is in fact, Baek Seju !

Sumin can't stand in a Manhwa without the triangle.
Sungji can't stand without Sumin's character.

so the only point we differ at is whether the attention to Seju's character was unplanned, OR Team Gaji themselves changed plans regarding Seju.

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If I was to give WDTFS a rating 20 days from now.. it would have been 13/10 (because I love 13 XDDD).. this is the story I loved and obsessed about from ch1 to ch91.

the story that ended at ch93.. barely gets 6/10
because of the ending ,the lack of the main characters development, and the unnecessary scenes that could've been employed much better than that.

The lame sad pathetic trials in ch93 to make it look like the 1st chapter and how everything falls in place is cringeworthy .. so the line of "what does the fox say" am I supposed to feel touched ?? because I felt like puking!

#Trauma

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Song of the day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRz2MxhAdJo

hahhahahh Gym music hitting in XDD ?

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a song that never gets old~
Dido - Life for Rent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFtNChII78k

Incidents inconsistencies:

In this part, I will try to make it as short as I could.. before ch90, details played vital roles in predicting characters actions and even the accurate timeline made it possible to guess exactly when Seju's birthday was.. these details were carefully laid out 30 chapters a head before being employed again. For that, I can't believe that the recent things mean NOTHING.. it makes more sense to think that the ending itself changed in the last moment.

• Ch44, we know that Seju's father planned for Seju and Sumin to leave the country to the U.S. we also know that he offered Sumin a part of the inheritance, place to stay and a job.. Sumin DIDN'T decline, in fact she almost talked about it to Seju informing her that she should be ready for this ch62. After that, Sumin never really looked for a job or anything.. why ??.. TG established that Sumin respects the chairman so much back in ch5 and again in ch27 and ch 38.. (I am about to lose my mind over this btw ).. If Sumin was to refuse this, she could have done it when she was on her anger peak at Seju.. not just make the whole thing disappear as if it wasn't mentioned before. Come to think of it, what was the point of TG showing us Saehyun talking about Seju's mother death to Sumin instead of just implying that Sumin knew somehow.. that's more fluid, don't you agree?

• In fact, if the ending was originally planned to be for Sungji and Sumin, ch74 was more than enough to establish that Sumin and Sungji are together, things won't end the way Seju wanted it to end, and Sumin buys the house, Sungji lives with her (U-haul).. Sumin says her goodbyes to Seju. (anything after that doesn't add to Seju much more to Sumin and Sungji because it really didn't given what happened in ch92)

• For each arc, the banner design reflected subtly how an arc ended or went like.. for this banner, the story drifted so much from it.. it has no value now.

• flashbacks.. every flashback in this arc.. starting from how Sumin remembers her broken promises to Seju in ch71, to how they almost got married in ch86.. what's the meaning of these scenes if they weren't to justify SuminXSeju or at least show us WHY despite these deeper memories, Sungji and Sumin are a better pair.. what does it add to SuminXSungji ?

• why did we have to see sexual tension between Sumin and Seju, ch 57, ch 77, ch78, ch79, ch86 ?

• You have Sumin who is not sure if she really gave her heart to Sungji in ch51, admitting her love to Seju in ch50, 54, then not doing much to convince Sungji to take her back (even Sungji commented about that) .. then a Sumin who ruined her date with Sungji to pick Seju up in ch81.. to her lame reasons for loving Sungji in ch85 ..

• Arc 3 went soooo much on fracturing Sumin's relationship with Sungji.. while bringing Seju and Sumin together from ch74 inward.. If you doubt this, take a look at how Sumin reacted and how her treatment changed towards Seju while how she started to even hide more information from Sungji and lying to her many many times. (I know about the delusional jokes about me, but these are things I saw and read.. many many times, over and over)
  many many scenes.. I will be adding in later..

Team Gaji had all the time to shift their ending the way they wanted.. they could've even added more depth and connections between Sumin and Sungji.. they could've done that in a chapter or two.. they are able of that, what happened ? Now we ended up with a shallow couple, not different from what they were when they only have dated for a 100 day!! highschool sweethearts to be exact.. why ?

All the wedding's panels could've been ignored totally (same as to what they've done to the father's will) and instead made a meaningful scene between Sumin and Sungji

The most meaningful talk that Sumin and Sungji EVER had took place in ch51
when every talk between Sumin and Seju, NO!!.. between Sungji and Seju was MUCH MUCH more meaningful !!!

WTH, seriously .. what happened and when did that all happen ? why

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test 1, 2 .. test 1, 2 .. oh, okay

Okay, I would like to talk a bit about the ending feeling WEIRD.. it lacks smoothness and surprising elements that Team Gaji were capable of.. at least from the way they ended the first and second arc they were truly artistic and well done. Then how they connected the end of arc 1 with the end of arc 2.. those two women are not lacking in this area.. so, the only logical thing to me is that they have changed the ending at some point.. I don't know from which chapter but I believe they did. And to explain why I feel that it has changed, I will write two posts:
1- Character inconsistencies
2- Incidents inconsistencies

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Character inconsistencies:

a) Sumin:

• she left Hello Studio because she thought that being around Seju will hinder her life.. she can't do anything while Seju is next to her. Later on, Sungji offers that Sumin gets back to the Studio as TL in ch88, which then Sumin brushes off. Sumin being back to the company is either inconsistent with her character (reasonings) or is said to be motivated by Sungji's demands for them to be together 24/7. (because obviously she is not there because Seju can't find a TL !!)

• Sumin was not really super happy about the living together thing in ch90 and in ch73.. what changed now ? and HOW!.. is it all because Sumin now owns the house ? if this is the case, why doesn't it apply to the office and her job as TL as well.

• Sumin offering a house tour for Sungji in this chapter.. but didn't she already do that in ch74 !! whatsup TG, did you forget this like you forgot about Sumin's motorola razr ? XDDD
  (okay, am I overcooking this joke again?)

• Sumin seemed to be worried about Seju's eating habits, making her promise to eat lunch .. even appearing next to her bed when she had nightmares.. Sumin drove her from and to work daily.. AND YET Seju seemed to be absent and out of reach.. I can't see Sumin caring

it doesn't matter what team you are .. you can be Sungji's worshiper as much as you want, but don't you find this weird and out of the blue for someone to change their feelings of care and worry to indifference ! I mean, up to the last moment we saw Seju and Sumin.. Sumin still opens up to Seju, yet she doesn't seem to ask where she is!.

b) Sungji

• following the living together matter, she knows that Seju owns the house that Sumin lives in back then at least, she never cared to ask.. and actually she had the nerve to insist on living in that particular place when she was able to ask Sumin to move the FUCK OUT instead.. argh!.. I thought this was for Sungji to replace Seju's presence in Sumin's mind.. but meh!

• in ch70, you know that Sungji saw Sumin being topped by Seju and she even wanted to see Sumin's face like that again.. see this side of Sumin.. she had the chance to do it again or at least talk to Sumin about their weird sexual encounters.. but nada ! at least at least.. the time when Sumin ruined the whole thing and was acting weird in ch81 !! For God's sake Sungji.. !

• she seemed to witness a lot of interactions between Sumin and Seju but never once asked what was going on, but got severely drunk in ch85

• she broke up with Sumin in ch90 saying that she wanted to talk to Sumin about the moving in thing.. this is not true.. anyone who has access to the translation and the officials KNOWS that Sungji wanted to talk about Seju's and Sumin's situation.

• Sungji made a decision in ch90 based on her insecurities among other things... what DID SUMIN PROVIDE HER to fix this issue ?? I am at lost !

• Sungji said in ch90 that she knows that her personality makes her easily being used by others.. then ?? what happened about that !

• She said that she doesn't need to forgive Sumin, she even keeps imagining Sumin being intimate with Seju.. where did that go really ? how was that resolved.. did I miss the panel where they talked this out?

I can't say much about Seju.. because she just left.

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arghhhh .. I wrote a very long post and my laptop just went off on meeeeehhhh :((

check your Discord, Yoonie

I love girls with silver hair unconditionally, lollll

we love you back, yoonie XD

Post it xDDDDD, cause that way you and I will have a very fun argument xDDDDDD
Cause I believe the ending didnt change since the beginning BUT the details are changed and scenes got added alot, especially Seju's scenes. That's why the story got worse.

I love juicy arguments .. but the reason why I feel there is a change, is because of the sudden inconsistencies.. not only in the incidents but also in characters' behaviour

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I will be posting later about inconsistencies that happened and made me sure that the story's ending has changed in the last minute.

AND I hope my guess is right.. (not that it matters now)

Seju no longer has short hair. Godddd, I love her with short hair. She is gorgeous with long hair but she has too many stunning shots with short hair, I will miss it dearly xDDDDDDD.

yoonie, think of it this way.. the silver haired lady taking off her hair band ~

anyways.. the WDTFS that I want to remember is the story that started from ch1 to 91.

Is there an exact day of releasing for the spin off? I need to bookmark it on my calendar xDDDDD

two months from now.. late November ~ December

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Jokes aside, a girl that suits for Seju? I dont think an innocent girl can make a good couple with her x

the assassin-ssi .. my God.. she gave me so many fantasies XDDD

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her line to Seju: This is a lifesaving rope, do you need it ?

Lol her line seemed like a metaphor. Like she's gonna be the one who gives the "lifesaving rope" to Seju...

Exactly.. that's why, I don't believe she will be there just for the sake of being there.

I don't know about the character being there for Seju temporarily

her line to Seju: This is a lifesaving rope, do you need it ?

I know that I sound whiny.. but I truly believed that WDTFS would end in a very beautiful way.. connecting the beginnings with the ends.. make use of every little detail they put and illustrated so beautifully.. WDTFS had all the potentials to do that.. to create an unforgettable/ unexpected ending.

Sigh~

Thank you Anonymous__ for letting me help in proofreading.. and for translating the chapters so fast.
And thank you all for the great discussions you provided .. you did truly add beauty to the story than it actually was intended to carry.
No Regrets.

I will be reading Seju's centered story, ignoring whatever happened in her past.. and yes yoonie, I also think she won't jump in a relationship.. but rather play and experiment new things that she missed a lot waiting for Sumin.. but whatever it is, I hope it won't be some lame "love" interest with some "lame" distasteful ending. That's my only hope for this complex, well designed character.

(the assassin was much hotter )

I gotta agree with you here. I was expecting someone like "seju"

bad getting worse, I guess !
Gaji could've done better much better.. Camille was so hot.. it is ridiculous to think that they couldn't create a hotter girl

#Bitching

as for the new girl appearing out of the blue.. I quote LustGreed

And for them to make a new love interest for Seju, well, that's a big no for me. It is something like a consolation which I can't take

here:
https://imgur.com/a/qIalm

(the assassin was much hotter )

I got some rough ideas
Sumin is back to Hello Studio as TL
she and Sungji now moved together ..
the gossips at Hello Studio "Seju is absent"
so she is still there
her hair has gotten taller.. so sometime has passed
another matter
her inner thought was "would I die if I hanged myself with this"
the other lady asked her: do you need this rope ?

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Sungji* Sumin happy ever after..
Seju.. and a new character .. coming soon

sayuri12, why do you overestimate me while underestimating yourself ?.. I get it, an artist is NEVER satisfied with their work, that's what keeps them getting better and better. Actually, if you look at the first chapter of WDTFS (especially Sungji's design) and compare it to ch90, you may see that art improvement is a continues process but you can start somewhere even if it is never perfect.

i'm going to do that. i'm going to put my name from this forum and shoutout to Nora when i do. XD

hahaha.. that's if I didn't find your work first XD

what would be a writing prompt you'd want? like...to practice my story boarding skills. :) like brainstorm with me.

Think of something you fantasize about.. and share with us your fantasies. As a reader, I find satisfaction in seeing artist's fantasies rather than the ones I have already in my mind. I may suggest situations we all had at some point (only as brainstorming ideas.. rather than forcing mine).. oneshot..
1- maybe a situation where someone thinks of all the (what if's) at the airport.. just by looking at someone else that they fancy but don't have the courage to talk to.
2- I always thought of a short stories series where the narrator is a psychologist .. and she narrates stories of people who visits her practice with their deepest and darkest secrets.. then in the end this Psychologist lady will be narrating her story to another psychologist as a part of her own therapy. (how about that XD)

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LurKings

Nora
Is there NO hope?! haha what happened to the bet with Yoonie?

as Orange just told me today, hope is a dangerous thing XD
I lost clearly.. but even yoonie was not satisfied by the way it happened.
yoonie

Nah, dont be bothered, just another teamblonde fan who loves the fluffiness, the sex and "oh, they are meant together", Seju should just leave.

hahahah.. I mean they were smarter than most of us.. they saw the logic we couldn't see XD

I really hope after tonight, I will be on the same side with you also, cause I really am preparing to go full force of criticizing the manhwa when it ends, cause I really doubt this upcoming chap is a good one.

(Pulling out my sword) XD .. yes yes sure.. not like I am able to rationalise their actions now

LustGreed

There will be sex scene loooool

cringeworthy XDDD

KatzeDerNacht

are you German by any chance?

Director Nim and Sung-ji are too precious together.

huh? please elaborate

LurKings

Though mostly was looking forward to your assessments

hahahhahahahha.. I am so happy this chapter didn't send you to rahab like it did to me.. which assessment really when this chapter just threw every logic out of the window !

we are just waiting and waiting for the unexpected

last edited at Sep 17, 2017 11:43AM

Es0teric

What people are thinking and what they say don't necessarily have the same timing.

EXACTLY ..
yoonie0104

sometimes you really say things as they are in my mind.. XDDD these last 10 days more than ever..