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MacySan
Citrus + discussion 21 Sep 08:55
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Where do you guys read these new chapters from?

MacySan
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Can't we do without it tho ? We already had the Izumi arc for that and she only manage to pull off the "Best friends" cards.

It takes time to develop a character. You can't have everything very fast. I personally like slow burns, so little steps like that and the angst that come with it are exactly the reason why I read these stories.
Now there are also stories like Hana Ni Arashi where the mains start to date very fast, and that's another category. But the whole point of drama like this is because some readers actually like it this way.

MacySan
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This manga is getting better and better. Yeah, this is guy arc is cliche, but it helps us see the first step of Fujishiro realizing her feelings for Kurokawa.
I also feel sorry for her because she seemed very off tbh. Wonder if a crazy inside her awakens now, just like it did with Izumi and Kurokawa.

I just hate how we have to wait for a month again. I can't exactly pinpoint the reason why, but this manga has the ability to pass through real emotions to the reader. It's probably one of the situations where the author is actually feeling while writing it.

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MacySan
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When I think of yuri fans, old men with mustaches is the first on the list. Lmao, that was actually creative and funny. Should have been a series.

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MacySan
Citrus + discussion 17 Sep 17:07
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Well, these covers are the reason why I read Citrus. It's striking how better a story can automatically become when the art is great.
The past few years yuri stories lack both plot and art. I could read an average at best story if the art this awesome.

Wowa. Hopefully not with Matsuri! :)

Hehehe

Mei as a devil, Yuzu as an Angel and Harumin as Queen. What is Sabu trying to say?

She is aware.

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MacySan
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But her being a tree is such a big reason why Chishiro is attracted to her, though. And it's only really a problem for Kisaki because people are jerks.

I don't think she is attracted to her because she's a tree hybrid. I think she embraces that side of her because Kisaki saved her because of her tree "powers".
But in the last panel where she has normal hands, Chishiro seems infatuated by looking at her, which means she would be attracted to her without the tree hands too. (whether that scene was Kisaki actually getting human hands, or simply Chishiro imagining her that way)

MacySan
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I kinda want her to get human hands because of the power of yuri. Maybe the last panel of chapter 4 was that?
Something like the plot of the beast who needs someone to love him truly and he turns human again.

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Yeah...there's definitely something supernatural going on here.
My guesses a) Shinonome is literally a god and she doesn't even know it. The cafe girl is someone from the dark side and that's why she knows her true identity.
b) Shinonome is manipulating all the readers through her manga in order for them to go out and blow up things exactly like how it happened in the manga.

It's just bizarre because we haven't been introduced to the genre from the beginning, which is what happens at least 99% of the time. This story could work as a drama/stalker type only, without feeling like something's missing.

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Personally I've literally never seen anyone using the word top/bottom in a yuri work in the rigid way. Most people know the nature of the yuri dynamic is more versatile and use them accordingly, or in a humorous way like "wow surprised Ookuma toped Kanda! She was such a bottom"
The only times where it becomes more absolute is in yaoi, where the nature of the act does indeed require more rigid roles to begin with.

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Labels are not evil. Top and bottom is a very common descriptive word for gay couples and most have no problem using them. Unless someone specifically asks you to, then why make an issue about it? Especially with fictional characters like here.

In yuri, top/bottom can be more blurred, so their use is more general. Like when someone gets called a top, that's used to describe their typical or most common behavior, it doesn't mean they have to be a top literally all the time.

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I cringe at the fact she sleeps with Aya who's a student. Maybe it's part of the internal logic of the manga that Haruki didn't call the cops on Sei. But in real life, Sei would lose her license asap, be sent to jail, while Aya would be in years of therapy or counselling.

True. I don't get why some people were surprised and disappointed at her sleeping with Yoru. Like hello, she's being toxic and a predator since the beginning.

MacySan
Citrus + discussion 22 Aug 09:57
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There is zero chemistry between them

Even if you don't 'ship' them or feel like there shouldn't be any mutual romantic interest between the two, this comment is ridiculous.

In the brief times they've been together on the page, we've seen plenty of chemistry. Perhaps not in terms of an unfolding love story, but certainly as two people that are diametrically opposed but are chasing the same goal. That's especially true in recent chapters.

How someone perceives chemistry without the author's deliberate attempt to make it seem so is not objective, therefore calling that notion ridiculous is bizarre itself.
Two opposite people arguing with each other without any sign of mutual lingering feelings is just two people who can't get along (despite having a common goal), but of course you can add your own bias or preferences and take it a step further and feel differently about the situation.
Unless the author makes more effort to show Harumin having some type of feelings for Matsuri too, it is perfectly normal to view them as Matsuri being annoying to Harumin and nothing more.

Years ago, I thought Saburuta would have developed them more by now, but instead she just keeps drawing Harumin annoyed by Matsuri and adds new yuri pairings instead. That makes me think she is not a big fan of HaruMatsu herself either, because she has found so much place for other side characters who weren't even needed for the story but still not them.

MacySan
Citrus + discussion 22 Aug 07:28
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I don't get why ppl like the haru x matsu so much, they don't have any chemistry at all, there's times where it seems like Harumin legit can't stand matsuri, and maybe i'm wrong but i don't think Harumin is supossed to be a tsundere character

I mean yeah yuzu and mei are pretty much like that, but at least saburo uta makes sure to remind us every so often that despite all the evidence they love each other and are in fact dating

Exactly. There is zero chemistry between them, and the only reason I can think of is because Matsuri and Harumin are the second most important characters after Yuzu and Mei
(yes, not storywise important, but secondary character ranked ) and people want to yuri ship them with someone.

Also Matsuri used to tease Harumin a bit in the early chapters, so it kinda stuck.

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I dont say that you are a pervert automaticaly when your aunt are one, but you have more chance to have genetic tendency of dopamine/serotonin deficit.

Wait, is that actually scientifically proven? I've seen this chart regarding the brain chemicals and the level of each one for different feelings. But are there any researches like that regarding sex related divergences?

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From my point of view, Sei's character is kind of mixed between a nympho and a yandere. Maybe because of her past, maybe she born with that "gene" originaly. Sei's duality created of a libido possessive beast and a whiny dependant magnet puts her in constant conflict we all know. Some people need medical help constanly for that. Her fetish of foot licking make me think that Yoru is like a idol in Sei's eye. At the same time she want to sanctify Yoru (the cooler one), yet she also want to devour and consuming Yoru (her ideal sex partner).

Interesting, genes also do play a part in someone's character development, and not just the environment they grew up in. For example with psychopaths, it is because of genes.
I haven't read much about how kinks get developed, but from what I've seen environment here does play a part. Although different people turn out differently if they are put in exactly the same situations, and that's because of their DNA. Like for example, being an introvert is in the genes.
Sei probably already had the leaning for perversion to begin with, but I also think there's gotta be something wrong with her family too.

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that dirty feet licking...ew

But also the manga needs to explore Sei's family background at some point. She is messed up and Yoru can't be the root of her issues. If it wasn't Yoru, she'd eventually find someone else who wouldn't like her back, to get unhealthily attached (not that this excuses Yoru playing with her).

Her obsession with Yoru feels like a form of self punishment. When they were doing it she didn't seem to actually enjoy it, and she then said she wants to die. Someone could say that this was because she knew Yoru would never like her back, but with unhealthy obsessions like here it's never just that. Although I'm not sure whether the author wants to explore the story from this perspective.
It feels like a harmful addiction that you don't like, but it's the only way you know to cope (like cutting)

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This feels more incomplete now compared to the first one shot. It's either going to get another one shot, or author needs to serialize it.

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I was fully expecting her to say "Honey san is my best friend" in the end instead but surprise lol. Wonder if we'll get any kiss or fanservice now, but I feel like this will remain on the Citrus level of intimacy showing.

Good chapter either way, I like both leads.

MacySan
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Ummm what the hell is that with Kurokawa? Is she going to end up crazy like Izumi?
As for the guy, I wouldn't worry about him, he's probably going to be a plot device for Fujishiro to realize her feelings for Kurokawa or something.
I just don't want to see Kurokawa's character getting botched too

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MacySan
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I mean, I don't dislike monster girls like demon, mermaids etc but this one in particular gives me a feeling similar to trypophobia

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I don't think you need a lot of labels to describe a sexuality. The four most used are accurate enough imo. If you are only attracted to feminine guys (as a guy), that's still bisexual because they're still guys. If you are only attracted to feminine guys as a female, that's still straight.
I mean, if someone is straight but is only attracted to a specific body type, do they need a new label for that? Like thick bodies, would that be thicksexual? Sexuality labels are used for describing the sex/gender preference specifically, not the individual characteristics of the category.

I find the Kandasexual wording more on the comedy side rather than legitimately explaining her sexuality. The whole "genitals don't matter" sounds like pansexual, although I guess she could still be gay without realizing it because she's too dense.

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MacySan
Lily Marble discussion 11 Aug 17:08
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It seems like whether or not people are content with the axed ending depends on whether or not their favorite couple got together. In my case, I'm happy Risa and Aya made it, but I wish we could've gotten that one cover of them getting married, or if not maybe trying on wedding dresses together? Heck, I would've at least had them wearing rings or something in their last scene.

Well, my favorite was Aya and Risa, but I'm still bitter over the ending. I just don't get behind the idea that it's a happy ending because Miyu seems to have moved on. It feels more like masking the problem. It would be different than them confessing and getting rejected. It would feel more right.

Regarding Aya and Risa yeah, they both wear rings in their left ring fingers. Also they are in the UK (you can see from the flag in a panel) and the European buildings, so we could guess that they went there to also get married in the future.
I actually did expect to see them getting married in the last chapter too, because there were many references for them about marriage all through the manga. But i think we should be grateful for the het marriage author gave us in the past chapter. Who cares about the marriage of the couple who by miracle managed to stay together in this yuri story anyway.

MacySan
Lily Marble discussion 11 Aug 14:14
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"There are tons of lesbian couples that don't work out just because each of them are women"
This statement feels odd or off for some reason

Idk if you're referring to the content of it or the wording. It does sound odd regarding the wording. Also when Risa says "I hope people accept us" when hugging Aya, it feels like the author is breaking her character and it's mostly the author speaking rather than Risa because it doesn't have any coherence with the particular scene. Also her mentioning different genders, wasn't relevant with the scene. It would fit more if someone like Tsubasa said it for example (although Tsubasa did make a similar mention as well)

MacySan
Lily Marble discussion 11 Aug 04:49
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I don't know why Nozomi having a boyfriend is hitting me harder than the marriage. Maybe it's because there were hints that Moe and Hikari's love were mutual at a point but not acted on (completely). But then Miyu's is one sided which hurts a bit coz I spent the entire time cheering for her because Nozomi might just feel the same! But I guess not or she just never thought about it. Ahhhh :(

I'm not complining. This makes sense. It just hurts. I'm just glad my favorite couple was in the last page. IwashitaXTsubasa close second so I'm a little cushioned from these sunken ships.

Nozomi's feelings can be interpreted either way. Her whole arc was that she was really oblivious as a person, so even if she did have these feelings or the potential to have these feelings, it wasn't realized. Plus that chapter of her acting all weird when she found out the manager was dating a woman. Unless she was hit hard with bricks, it would never occur to her to think of Asama this way, but that doesn't mean the potential or even unrealized feelings weren't there. So I personally don't put that on the unrequited love, because given the circumstances, Nozomi could have developed these feelings too.
I on the other hand was more bothered by Hikari and Moe, precisely for the reason that you mentioned lol.
Like, if someone doesn't like you then you don't lose anything anyway. But it's more tragic if feelings are mutual but situations force it to not happen. It's interesting to see how the same stuff hit people differently.

Also I agree, best couple for last frame at least and even Risa was her usual teasing/idiot self with Aya. I was always excited for their chapters, but even them can't salvage the rest of this ending for me.

MacySan
Lily Marble discussion 11 Aug 02:34
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I read the raws yesterday and thought Miyu and Nozomi actually got a happy ending...
I was prepared to be disappointed yesterday, then it was a nice surprise (because I assumed they ended up together) and I let my guard down, so this sucks more lol....

Regarding Risa and Aya, I remember a conversation I had with someone here who was saying how Aya only confessed because her mom happened to find that photo, and that it seemed like she was about to break up with Risa. Well, considering this epilogue "we are together because of your mom" it seems like Aya was indeed planning to break up with Risa that day. Like wow...

The morale author wants to make here is clear: A lot of fxf couples don't end up together only because they are both female. This isn't news for most, but what the author manages to do is pass that reality for manga stories as well, which is very original on its own and kudos for being so creative.

As for the very last scene of Risa and Aya planning to go back, it feels like it was making a setup for a sequel. After this ending I wouldn't be excited for that and I'll be pretty content putting this manga behind, but only a sequel could make it salvageable and there are a lot of things left to be said even for the couples that ended up together, like Aya's dad.
Either way, how it ended is very disappointing for multiple reasons and that's a shame because it was doing great a few chapters ago.

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