The curse now resides in Elsa, not Evie. I guess it's good-bye, System Administrator. I guess that's gonna massively change things.

Is that really it? Rather, wouldn't this all mean that the curse has never been inside Yivone? Elsa is the one that had it all along.

Or maybe I'm just getting confused, idk.

Don't worry, you're absolutely correct. There are quite a few other people confused here, though, probably because it doesn't make it quite explicitly clear that this is a stable loop leading back to where it started. The WN does, though.

Also because it's a weekly release. This version did discuss the stable loop, I'm pretty sure--or at least hinted at it pretty clearly. But I believe it did so chapters back. I mentioned before that Elsa having it all along would make sense. Still haven't gotten time to reread though.

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I haven't been to Bali, but I am impressed one can just go there and find a specific person, must be the power of Chinese lesbian love!

There's an explanation for why she could find her.

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People have just had bad experiences with manga in the past. What seems obviously the case has sometimes not mattered, so some probably want really explicit confirmation before getting their hopes up.

I would say that in my case at least it’s far less about the fear of yuri-baiting than it is the fact that this series requires a lot of inferences about exactly what the characters are feeling at any given time and what they understand about their own feelings and the feelings of others—the whole series is based on a pretty big (and fairly extended) misunderstanding, after all.

Not to mention that Koga is so dense that even if Aya took out a billboard that said, “I, Aya, have romantic feelings toward Mitsuki. Also, FYI, two girls can have sex, and I want to have it with her,” Mitsuki would find a way to think it meant something else.

Yeah we're on the same page there--inferences and educated assumptions. The expectation is that they'll eventually become upfront with their feelings and that the series will too (and I'm sure both will happen, they're already happening). I think the caution some have is based on series that never evolved past the dependence on inferences.

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SrNevik posted:

People have just had bad experiences with manga in the past. What seems obviously the case has sometimes not mattered, so some probably want really explicit confirmation before getting their hopes up.

It's possible that I'm misreading this comment, but I will say that if there's any author I'd suspect of anything like queerbaiting, Arai Sumiko would be one of the authors way at the bottom of the list.

Well yeah--I'm explaining what others might feel. It's happened before, regardless of the authors background. But I agree, I wouldn't expect that from Arai. It's not something I'm personally worried about.

Dunno why people are thinking Aya does not realize what her feelings for Mitsuki are, the "Can I think Koga-san likes me? No, no way, way, no way, but still" on page 4 pretty unambiguously conveys she's thrilled at the idea of Mitsuki liking her romantically and is trying not to get her hopes up while still being very excited at the thought regardless. Aya knows what she's feeling and what she wants, lol. She'd kinda given up on Mitsuki liking her back after the big romantic rock performance that climaxed with "will you be my friend" but now she's over the moon at the thought that things might move in that direction instead of continuing platonically.
If anyone doesn't fully realize what she's feeling yet, it's Mitsuki. But we're getting some major hints of evolution from her now :3

People have just had bad experiences with manga in the past. What seems obviously the case has sometimes not mattered, so some probably want really explicit confirmation before getting their hopes up.

I love these kind of domestic stories: no drama, the couple is already established, just sexiness and wholesomeness.

All the (good) drama was in the original series.

Sad to see Isuzu backsliding here, but now there's a chance for Hinata to rescue her, which will probably improve things

I don't think she's backsliding. She's recoiling harder exactly because she's getting closer to changing and realizes it. At this point her words are performative more than anything. From genuine hate, into tsundere. Still a ways to go though.

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is this hetshit or not, can anyone confirm or deny it? did nobody read the wn?

I've seen at least 2 people ask this now. What about this series makes you worry about that? I'm genuinely curious. Just focusing on these 2 chapters, it seems they're both into each other, one struggling through some denial (like normal).

The whole boyfriend thing? If Komaki shared all her firsts with Wakaba, too, while "stealing" hers. Why even hetbaiting like this? What is even the fucking point. It only makes me drop this.

I genuinely don't see how this is "hetbaiting". It's lesbian series focused on two girls, that had some random unnamed dude show up for basically 1 second (2 pages). Plus the author intentionally hid his face because he's unimportant.

The point is that she either had her first kiss with him or worse, sex or shit, just to make Wakaba jealous or something like that? 100% the trope. I just dislike this stuff in yuri, and it honestly has no place in it. If you like this kind of stuff you should delete your account on this site and fuck off right back to BL, you fujotrash.

You're making a lot of assumptions about the extent of the relationship she had with the guy. You're also making a lot of assumptions about my views, while going for personal attacks and name calling. So you're only proving my point that you're making currently making a big deal out of nothing.

Chapter one says she had a boyfriend. That alone is drop-worthy. If you continue reading this shit, you are no better than people liking it, like that [removed] above the other [removed]*

We don't know all of the information and full extent of relationships, feelings, and so fourth. Also resulting to homophobic slurs with your name calling only presents you as being a very hateful person.

Are there no rules about that stuff? This person is unbelievable. I sometimes wonder how people like this make to these spaces in the first place.

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The only thing we've seen that even hints at there being any het is a single scene of the main character seeing Komaki talking to a guy and that scene includes a closeup of Komaki's face where she doesn't look particularly thrilled to be there. We have no idea of what was said, what happened next, who that guy was, or what their relationship is.

The implication is that Wakaba interpreted that scene as a confession and that Komaki accepted (or she was the one confessing and the guy accepted, but at the same time we're talking about Komaki—The girl who went out of her way to passionately french Wakaba and who wants to see her strip. Something tells me Wakaba's interpretation of that scene isn't 100% correct and/or the implication that scene is presenting is intentionally misleading. Either way, I think the main take is supposed to be "Wakaba got jealous at the idea of Komaki going out with someone else, even if she doesn't consciously realize that's what happened," not "one or more of these girls is straight and definitely not jonesing for a pack of skittles."

Yeah that's what I mean. Out of the two of them, Komaki is definitely crushing on Wakaba, so that scene never registered as anything but misleading. That's why I was confused by the worry. Thanks for the write up though, I'd actually forgotten about that panel. Also, I'd say Komaki's face was more sinister, rather than uncomfortable and considering the framing, she might have been glancing at Wakaba, there.

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is this hetshit or not, can anyone confirm or deny it? did nobody read the wn?

I've seen at least 2 people ask this now. What about this series makes you worry about that? I'm genuinely curious. Just focusing on these 2 chapters, it seems they're both into each other, one struggling through some denial (like normal).

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I’m not done reading this but my only problem after 90 chapters is that why on earth are they keeping this a secret from their friends? They have given me no reason to believe they wouldn’t be totally supportive and encouraging of their relationship and actually…let them be a couple, especially at a all girls school where female relationships aren’t seen as that uncommon anyway, it’s just odd. The friend group just hasn’t displayed a single significant negative aspect really so the harsh ironclad secrecy feels unessesary

It's just their choice and they dont feel comfortable doing so yet. That's pretty much it. Is that "harsh?" I don't know. I don't think it's a big deal.

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Yeah, it's been canon for years, right from the pilot. They definitely kiss, sleep in same bed--basically the central power couple of the series. You're right that her name isn't Vagatha (they clarify that in the show). It was updated for the official release. Definitely on the nose, but that's explained by where it came from.

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Two words: ensemble cast. They all have relevance to the plot. They're all main characters, and the pov moving or focus shifting between them doesn't make them less so~

Right. All 4 of them are main characters. It's a story about 2 pairs of couples. All 4 of them have been involved in every plot, in one way or another, since then beginning (and even before then).

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There's a GL Webtoon/Instagram series about them called "Could You Talk to Her?"

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“It’s not that I’m better than you, that I managed not to destroy anything–rather that it's because I was luckier than you, to only have gone through this test later at a later age.” Such a great quote and summarizes my feelings about Tianli. It's unfortunate. After this chapter, it's clear she's thinking romantically but she’s got to move on. Ship's sailed. Also “Why do you kids believe every bit of nonsense that comes out of Mu Xiaoen's mouth,” is another great line, for those who took Mu Xiaoen's “not serious” seriously. I love her but Mu Xiaoen likes to deflect, deny, and say nonsense every once and a while.

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I think you can read it either way.

Biggest evidence that sister is just in love with the GF and wants her for herself is the way she curls her fingers upwards in the earlier part of the teasing dialogue, to prepare for handholding.

But the last page does really read to me as bitter about the relationship. But it doesn't make sense for her to be this bitter when she's already making out with the girl she likes. That makes me think it could be about the brother.

To be fair, I'd be bitter if the girl I want is dating my brother. Could want more than sneaky makeout sessions.

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Anyone has the source for this one? Didn't expect the author to draw this kind of stuff. Can't seem to find it on their twitter, or pixiv or whatever.

It's on their twitter. You can find a link to the source on the mangadex entry or you can go back to the 30th of Jun, 2021.

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To me this chapter reinforces the idea that, for Xingyuan, Tianli did have confused feelings, which were partially responsible for this mess--especially when she's framed as a kind of foil to Xiaoen, a romantic partner. I'd even say it was her, back then. She was already Xingyuan's confidant but wanted to be more, though she didn't know what more meant. She's still unsure of why she was and still is so concerned with Xingyuan's company. She knows her feelings for Xingyuan are unique compared to her feelings for others, yet can't fully put it together. It's unfortunate for her.

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Presumably the implication is that glasses girl is mad that hot girl is dating her brother instead of dating her.

But also she gets called a bro con so... Not necessarily the case.

I feel like she's just teasing her, since the sister always uses the brother as an excuse to get closer to the girlfriend. But I guess it's not 100% clear.

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Yeah, ghosting someone (to their face!) will normally make them think they've been rejected! But let's just chalk up not talking for hours to a sudden fever. Whatever, I'll take it if it means it's not extended further. Good for them. Looking forward to what they do next as girlfriends now! Definitely not a dream anymore. Happy times ahead.

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Girls gotta do what a girls gotta do

And she's gonna do her brother's girlfriend.

Such is life.

with only a moderate amount of stretching the interpretation of the characters by viewing the affection between Lapis ans Diana as romantic and assuming the characters would be okay with it.

I don't want to drag out this part of the discussion too much longer but: this would require more than "a moderate amount of stretching of the characters" based on how they've been presented thus far--especially this idea that Lapis has romantic feelings for Diana. That's not a minor stretch that's a major stretch. (Quick Aside: they also don't need a poly ending in order for Diana's role to have purpose and depth. It already has purpose and depth).

And your "assuming the characters will be okay with it," point is also not something that can be so easily brushed off. The portrayal of their personalities and relationships thus far indicates they would actually not be okay with that; in fact, their personalities up to this point suggest the opposite. Your response kind of hand waves the two major, actual issues, and the rest of what you said doesn't work if those two major issues don't work--at least in my opinion. It would take some considerable change over time but people have been saying "poly" since near the first chapter. It just sounds like wishful thinking, which is fine, as long as it's not treated like the text supports it right now. In that case I'd have to disagree.

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In other words, sci-fi.

As long as sci-fi isn't being used as a pejorative, then sure.

Never. I actually do write sci-fi and fantasy stories in my spare time, I love the genre.

On the subject of sci-fi stories that make use of an alternative biology to explore sex and gender, have any of you folks read The Left Hand of Darkness?

I'll add that to the reading list. Thanks!

I cant believe this place is more moderate in discussions about the various yuri elements in this manga than fucking mangadex. No grooming accusations, no love-shaming Riri accusing her of being a easy woman, no general shallow understanding resembling ironic yuriweebs. What happened? Did you guys lose all the twitter retards to that place?

If you speak it into existence, it will come.

We're not shown enough to know for sure, but what we do see is only the emperor doing her empress, not the other way around. And considering the very title of the series, I'm pretty sure the emperor is still managing to keep her wife in the dark, as ridiculous as it may seem. :D

She continues to address the emperor as "he" even in her thoughts. She definitely remains unaware. Presumably, she assumes there are concealed issues "down there" that she can compensate for with her hands. She's "right," in a really roundabout way, which makes the emperor's reactions funny.

I don't know if we would trust gendered pronouns as authoritative in translations: they come up in English way more often than Japanese, so I wouldn't be surprised if the same applies in Chinese. I remember with Mihoyo games there's been multiple translation errors over the years where they inserted gendered pronouns where none were specified before, and ended up guessing incorrectly.

Super fair. I think there's more reasons to suspect she doesn't know beyond the pronouns but yeah. On another note, I feel for the emperor and her being forced to present herself in a way she doesn't desire. Her mother is terrible and the situation has similarities to "I'm in Love with the Villainess," although this mother might be worse.

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